school policy for being sent home

Package

ok, im not sure where to put this,,

quick question,,,

a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

what is the policy for being sent home....

or where could i find information on it

ejmaztec

Perhaps his teacher is a tit.

jumpguy

Talk to the school...there's no national policy on it or anything, I think. It's make more sense to do so anyway.

My name is URL

You should probably ask in the Teaching forum, the people there would have a better idea tbh

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Are you sure he's actually going in? Not just hanging around and then going home and pretending he was sent home for something? (Or lying about the reason he was sent home if he was genuinely getting sent home.)

GLaDOS

Are you hearing this form the school or him? Because if it's him,, he's prob just not arsed going to school

Overheal

Is this kid an Atheist or something

brummytom

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Are you hearing this form the school or him? Because if it's him,, he's prob just not arsed going to school

+1. A school wouldn't bother sending him home for little trivial things like the examples you gave, it makes them look bad tbh. They'd be much more likely to just give a detention.

I'd say he's not going in, but his teachers might just hate him

oppenheimer1

ejmaztec wrote: »

Perhaps his teacher is a tit.

More likely the child is lying tbh. First port of call is asking the school whats going on. When it comes to things like being sent home, its a very serious matter, in loco parentis and all that. The school would be liable if anything happened to him on the way home, unless he was released into the custody of a guardian.

That said to be honest its your friends problem, not yours.

Package

well, from both,, the school has admitted to sending him home over these things but offer no excuse .!

so i was wondering if there were guide lines,, obviosly not,, the principle has been caught lying a couple of times and is, a tit

well, to be honest, its everybodies problem, the kids, although cliche, are the future, if they cant get a foot in the door in the first place, how are they meant to learn??? afterall, are the teachers not employed to teach????

mikom

Package wrote: »

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

Tell him to wear trousers the next time.......

oppenheimer1

Package wrote: »

well, from both,, the school has admitted to sending him home over these things but offer no excuse .!

so i was wondering if there were guide lines,, obviosly not,, the principle has been caught lying a couple of times and is, a tit

well, to be honest, its everybodies problem, the kids, although cliche, are the future, if they cant get a foot in the door in the first place, how are they meant to learn??? afterall, are the teachers not employed to teach????

Well it sounds like the child, its parents/guardians and you need to have an urgent meeting with the school dicipline committee. If its an ongoing thing then the childs education will be harmed. Believe it or not teachers are professionals and in general will try and bring along even the most difficult student. There are more issues here than meets the eye. Finally if a resolution cannot be found, then changing schools is the only option.

RMD

Package wrote: »

ok, im not sure where to put this,,

quick question,,,

a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

what is the policy for being sent home....

or where could i find information on it

What school you talking about? I know a fair few people from Ballymum go into O'connells between Marlborough and Gardiner street, and they have a policy of 3 lates and then sent home. Might be more to it than meets the eye, perhaps the kid knows he'll be sent home if he's late so he deliberatley goes in late and plays the innocent card onces hes sent home.

Lads in my year in school 2 minutes up the road have to come in from Meath, Kildare, Wicklow and there's even 1 lad coming in from Louth. Ballymun is nothing excusable and it isn't hard to get from there to town.

Cookie_Monster

maybe he's just a little prick that no-one in school wants to deal with

Ickle Magoo

Package wrote: »

ok, im not sure where to put this,,

quick question,,,

a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

what is the policy for being sent home....

or where could i find information on it

I'm surprised your friend hasn't asked for a meeting with the principle &/or the boys teacher to work out a strategy to sort out whatever is going on. Can the school let you know when he's sent home and why? Ask them for a copy of their discipline policies and ask for them to contact your friend when and why your friends son is sent home. It might be worth getting in touch with your local TD and the relevant education board if there is no satisfaction from the principle.

spurious

If that is the school discipline/punctuality policy, then he (and his parent or guardian) will have signed at some stage to agree to abide by it. Some schools have students sign every year.

If he can't manage to abide by it, perhaps there is some other school will let him come in as he pleases and bring or not bring his equipment, whatever he feels like.

Lollymcd

RMD wrote: »

What school you talking about? I know a fair few people from Ballymum go into O'connells between Marlborough and Gardiner street, and they have a policy of 3 lates and then sent home. Might be more to it than meets the eye, perhaps the kid knows he'll be sent home if he's late so he deliberatley goes in late and plays the innocent card onces hes sent home.

Lads in my year in school 2 minutes up the road have to come in from Meath, Kildare, Wicklow and there's even 1 lad coming in from Louth. Ballymun is nothing excusable and it isn't hard to get from there to town.

O'Connell's CBS is on North Richmond Road off the NCR. I think the school you are thinking of is Larkin Community College. It's a good school and I'd be surprised if they acted so petty.

Kenteach

Don't think any school is going to carry out this kind of practice unless it has been clearly stated in an agreed policy with students and their guardians. Most parents I know are quite deluded when it comes to the behaviour and character of their kids at school. More to it would be my honest opinion. I've some nightmares in my class, but have never sent anyone home. Having a tit of a principal could be aproblem though, a bad principal will always end up running a bad school.

Pride Fighter

Some are saying the kid is mitching but the OP is saying the principal is a tit.

I'd say what is happening is somewhere in the middle. The kid probably mitches sometimes and the principal probably gives out about any little thing to punish him for mitching.


Quite simply ya have to go over the principals head to the board of education. If the principal is warned by those who employ him he will tow the line or risk the school being sued for a denial of education to the student.

Holsten

He must be a little bollox who they have no time for thus getting rid of him anyway possible.

spurious

If the discipline/punctuality policy states that this will happen if repeatedly late or missing equipment, no meetings with principals, or boards or ministers will make any difference.

I'm sure the other students who do manage to get in on time and have their stuff with them spend hours weeping over this poor boy with his missed opportunities.

ejmaztec

Perhaps he leers at girls and froths at the mouth with his trousers round his ankles?


Although I never got sent home for doing that, but times change.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ejmaztec wrote: »

Perhaps he leers at girls and froths at the mouth with his trousers round his ankles?


Although I never got sent home for doing that, but times change.

Ture, but then you are a teacher!

ejmaztec

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ture, but then you are a teacher!

I could be if I changed my name and forged my CV.

Biggins

We know not all the facts but I'll throw something else out there for further thought...

As the pupil is attending the school and if he indeed does enter the school property many mornings only to be sent home, I suspect there is very much more to this case than meets the eye.
The school has a "legal duty of care" to those attending it and if for some reason they send someone away from within the hours they operate, they (the staff) are held to a higher form of accountability for anything that might happen to the boy.
I say this because clearly (I'm assuming the staff/principle are intelligent to know this) they do not send him just away lightly on a notion or whim, definitely not without justifiable cause.

There is more to this picture than we are seeing.
I suspect maybe a parent is not telling the full story to others or even is not aware themselves that there is more to the story than they know.

Package

thanks guys,, im not sure what school it is. and the parent has had a few meetings with the school. to no avail.

im not totally sure of the ins and outs and im sure there may be more than meets the eye on this one.

i will do a bit more delving and even sit in on the next meeting im sure is to be had and i will let you all know any further developments..

jd007

Does the school ring the parents to collect him or just more or else tell him to get out? Surely they'd have to ring the parents to bring him home?

Package

well the story is, they generally dont wanna know. they send him home and dont bother getting in contact. the parent has rang up to complain about this and cant actually get through to the principle, who "hasnt got time to talk to her as he has "important" things to be doing" , and that was heard by his parent over the phone.

when his parent went into the school the follwing day, the principle denied saying this and told her "not to believe everything your son tells you" . she pointed out that she was actually on the phone at the time and heard it.

i suppose we will just have to wait untill everyone is in the same room and get it all out in the open.

Ickle Magoo

I would advise your friend to write down all the issues with dates if possible and start compiling an official complaint against the school, make sure she lets the school know she's doing it. I would maybe give the dept of education a call - if it's a state school - and ask their advice, they may be able to offer a mediator and I'm sure the principal would be more likely to play ball if there was third party interference.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ejmaztec wrote: »

I could be if I changed my name and forged my CV.

... and wore pants. Or a dress. If not male.

TriciaDelicia

I've seen it myself, if the teachers dislike a student they seem to use any excuse to send them home or throw them out of the class.

RealJohn

OP, no offence but this sounds like absolute rubbish to me.
First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

What age is the kid?

No school is going to send a kid home at the drop of a hat because, as has already been pointed out several times, if something happens to that kid on the way home, the school won't have a leg to stand on.

If this story is true, which I don't believe but let's say it is, the next step is that the parents should contact the board of management because they'll definitely want to know if the principal is sending kids home for almost nothing as, like I said, the school is likely to get in trouble. Maybe the principal just doesn't care for some personal reason but you can be sure the board will.

Failing that, I'm sure you can find Joe Duffy's number. Or Ray D'Arcy's. They're both friends of the "downtrodden little man" so I'm sure they'll be happy to help your friends in their hour of need.

Seriously though, either you're not telling us the whole story or they're not telling you the whole story or, and this is most likely in my opinion, the whole story is complete rubbish.

rainbowtrout

Package wrote: »

thanks guys,, im not sure what school it is. and the parent has had a few meetings with the school. to no avail.

im not totally sure of the ins and outs and im sure there may be more than meets the eye on this one.

i will do a bit more delving and even sit in on the next meeting im sure is to be had and i will let you all know any further developments..

I'd echo a lot of what RealJohn said in the previous post...

OP - if you are not the child's parent or guardian why would you have the right to attend a meeting between the parent and principal. It just doesn't happen.

I'm a teacher myself and I'd say the following:

All schools have a school policy signed by students and parents when they first enter the school. School rules are clearly laid out in the policy and the consequences for breaking the school rules. It is quite possible that the student has contravened these rules on numerous occasions to warrant being sent home.

Assuming you're not the parent, you may not be getting the full story from your friend. I live in the town I teach in and from time to time I hear stories back about students who were 'kicked out of class' or are 'being picked on by the principal' and often the people telling the story have only heard half of the story.

I had a bizarre situation last year where a student on the PLC course that I teach and co-ordinate went home and told his parents that I and the principal had kicked him off the course for non-completion of project work. I was told this when I rang the house when he had been absent for a few days. He failed to tell them that the class had been spoken to as a group about project work and nobody was singled out or asked to leave. Yet the story his mother was putting about town was that we had kicked him out and as a result he had lost his grant, his only source of income.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge until I had heard the full facts of the story

TheDriver

Every child is different and sounds like the whole story is not being told. I see children in my school and their parents will believe everything they say and its never their fault and blame the school for everything. Its extremely rare that schools do things off a whim and for no reason so I suspect there is a lot lot more than meets the eye.
My poor Johnny and Mary is being picked on by the teacher starts coming to mind. I would like to see an open meeting with all parties involved as that usually brings out the truth and usually sees not much outcome except a few empty promises of better behaviour

ScumLord

RealJohn wrote: »

First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

Maybe the friends illiterate?

My name is URL

Nice level of support and understanding being shown by the teachers posting here, absolutely no reason for anyone to think that schools are failing the youth more and more

vocation me hole tbh

Overheal

TheDriver wrote: »

Every child is different and sounds like the whole story is not being told. I see children in my school and their parents will believe everything they say and its never their fault and blame the school for everything. Its extremely rare that schools do things off a whim and for no reason so I suspect there is a lot lot more than meets the eye.
My poor Johnny and Mary is being picked on by the teacher starts coming to mind. I would like to see an open meeting with all parties involved as that usually brings out the truth and usually sees not much outcome except a few empty promises of better behaviour

You know, its definitely true. You'll always hear classmates griping between classes. "All the teachers have it out for me" bla bla bla. These are the same kids who are messing in the back of classes, throwing papers, walking into classrooms late, getting suspensions for starting fights, etc.

Thats not to say teacher discrimination doesnt happen, but its certainly less than the reported average as told by the students.

jimmycrackcorm

Package wrote: »

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

Well - is there any point sending him to school at all then?

TheZohanS

My name is URL wrote: »

Nice level of support and understanding being shown by the teachers posting here, absolutely no reason for anyone to think that schools are failing the youth more and more

vocation me hole tbh

Couldn't agree more. True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

Glico Man

TheZohan wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

rainbowtrout

aaronh007 wrote: »

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

PE and Maths is a recognised teaching qualification in this country...

djk1000

Maybe this kid disrupts every class he's in. The staff look for any excuse to exclude him for a day because they can't expel him. If he's not there, maybe other students can then get the education they deserve.

No way in hell would a student be sent home for being 2 minutes late, unless there is an underlying reason.

Package

RealJohn wrote: »

First of all, if this is about "your friend's kid", why are you so concerned about it? Why isn't your friend posting? Clearly, they're aware of this since you're updating at pretty short notice.

What age is the kid?

"your friends kid" ??? no, its my kid if it was my kid, i would know what school it was for sure and i would actually say it was my kid. they are not aware, hence my lack of knowledge about the whole thing. and my friend is not posting because she doesnt have a boards account. and the kid is 14

RealJohn wrote: »

If this story is true, which I don't believe but let's say it is

now what do you mean by that,,, do you really think people are so sad to make up **** like this. i have enough public interaction in my job, i dont need to live a pseudo life online. the fact is, i dont know too much about it so i have information in the 3rd, so its all just heresay at the moment.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

if you are not the child's parent or guardian why would you have the right to attend a meeting between the parent and principal. It just doesn't happen.

well, im less likely to take **** from both sides, ie. the principle and the kid, lets say i could act as a more efficient meidator than the parent.

Overheal wrote: »

You'll always hear classmates griping between classes. "All the teachers have it out for me" bla bla bla. These are the same kids who are messing in the back of classes, throwing papers, walking into classrooms late, getting suspensions for starting fights, etc..

yeah i agree with this,, maybe im not being told the whole story, every story has 2 sides and im just hearing one at the moment, and that is why i want to sit in on a meeting. its absurd that people come on here and say people are making up the story or what have ya, jesus some actual "constructive" comments is whats needed, not "ah your making it up", god damn it.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Well - is there any point sending him to school at all then?

suppose that made me laugh, but im from ballymun and i have an education and a brain, and a very functionable on at that thank you very much.

TheZohan wrote: »

True some teachers are very good at their jobs, but you have a hell of a lot of cretins out there "teaching" that should not be allowed "teach" anyone.

true,,, theres a teacher that drinks in my place, and she may have a degree in whatever she teaches but she has to be one of the most pig ignorant and annoying aul ****es i have ever had the displeasure to meet

anyway, thanks for the replies. i agree with most of it, maybe there is an underlying reason for this, albeit second hand information, unfair behaviour on the schools part, but hopefully we will get to the bottom of it.:cool:

walshb

Package wrote: »

ok, im not sure where to put this,,

quick question,,,

a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

what is the policy for being sent home....

or where could i find information on it

If this can be verified then the child has a very good case to pursue. Someone at that school is seriously taking the piss. Okay, for certain misdemeanors it is acceptable to send a pupil home, but this seems like absolute victimization.

Overheal

yeah i agree with this,, maybe im not being told the whole story, every story has 2 sides and im just hearing one at the moment, and that is why i want to sit in on a meeting. its absurd that people come on here and say people are making up the story or what have ya, jesus some actual "constructive" comments is whats needed, not "ah your making it up", god damn it.

Its highly unlikely that multiple teachers would conspire to fabricate complete lies against a student anyhow, and I've heard that accusation many times from students. Its a pretty safe bet if 5 out of 7 teachers can vouch for his delinquency. I dont like the sound of the faculty though if up to now they havent been able to take the parent's phone calls.

jd007

aaronh007 wrote: »

The P.E teachers that end up teaching maths springs to mind

My geography teacher in school also taught PE but I thought she was a really good teacher. There was certainly other subjects though where the teacher was pathetic.

spurious

OP - when your child was enrolled, did you sign the school's behaviour policy?
Did you not get a copy of it?

To be fair, if it has reached the stage where he/she is being sent home, in the policies of most schools that would only kick in way past the odd late or occasional forgotten book.

Were you called into a meeting at all? Did he/she change his behaviour or just continue to come late etc.?