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school policy for being sent home

  • 18-01-2010 06:51PM
    #1
    Package
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭


    ok, im not sure where to put this,,

    quick question,,,

    a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

    forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

    but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

    especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

    what is the policy for being sent home....

    or where could i find information on it


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  • #2
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Perhaps his teacher is a tit.


  • #3
    jumpguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Talk to the school...there's no national policy on it or anything, I think. It's make more sense to do so anyway.


  • #4
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    You should probably ask in the Teaching forum, the people there would have a better idea tbh


  • #5
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Are you sure he's actually going in? Not just hanging around and then going home and pretending he was sent home for something? (Or lying about the reason he was sent home if he was genuinely getting sent home.)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #6
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Are you hearing this form the school or him? Because if it's him,, he's prob just not arsed going to school

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • #7
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Is this kid an Atheist or something :confused:


  • #8
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Are you hearing this form the school or him? Because if it's him,, he's prob just not arsed going to school
    +1. A school wouldn't bother sending him home for little trivial things like the examples you gave, it makes them look bad tbh. They'd be much more likely to just give a detention.

    I'd say he's not going in, but his teachers might just hate him


  • #9
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Perhaps his teacher is a tit.

    More likely the child is lying tbh. First port of call is asking the school whats going on. When it comes to things like being sent home, its a very serious matter, in loco parentis and all that. The school would be liable if anything happened to him on the way home, unless he was released into the custody of a guardian.

    That said to be honest its your friends problem, not yours.


  • #10
    Package
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Package


    well, from both,, the school has admitted to sending him home over these things but offer no excuse .!

    so i was wondering if there were guide lines,, obviosly not,, the principle has been caught lying a couple of times and is, a tit :)

    well, to be honest, its everybodies problem, the kids, although cliche, are the future, if they cant get a foot in the door in the first place, how are they meant to learn??? afterall, are the teachers not employed to teach????


  • #11
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Package wrote: »
    but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

    Tell him to wear trousers the next time.......


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  • #12
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Package wrote: »
    well, from both,, the school has admitted to sending him home over these things but offer no excuse .!

    so i was wondering if there were guide lines,, obviosly not,, the principle has been caught lying a couple of times and is, a tit :)

    well, to be honest, its everybodies problem, the kids, although cliche, are the future, if they cant get a foot in the door in the first place, how are they meant to learn??? afterall, are the teachers not employed to teach????

    Well it sounds like the child, its parents/guardians and you need to have an urgent meeting with the school dicipline committee. If its an ongoing thing then the childs education will be harmed. Believe it or not teachers are professionals and in general will try and bring along even the most difficult student. There are more issues here than meets the eye. Finally if a resolution cannot be found, then changing schools is the only option.


  • #13
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Package wrote: »
    ok, im not sure where to put this,,

    quick question,,,

    a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

    forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

    but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

    especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

    what is the policy for being sent home....

    or where could i find information on it

    What school you talking about? I know a fair few people from Ballymum go into O'connells between Marlborough and Gardiner street, and they have a policy of 3 lates and then sent home. Might be more to it than meets the eye, perhaps the kid knows he'll be sent home if he's late so he deliberatley goes in late and plays the innocent card onces hes sent home.

    Lads in my year in school 2 minutes up the road have to come in from Meath, Kildare, Wicklow and there's even 1 lad coming in from Louth. Ballymun is nothing excusable and it isn't hard to get from there to town.


  • #14
    Cookie_Monster
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    maybe he's just a little prick that no-one in school wants to deal with


  • #15
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Package wrote: »
    ok, im not sure where to put this,,

    quick question,,,

    a friends son keeps getting sent home from school for every little thing. ok, he is not the best student in the world, but stuff like

    forgetting his book,, sent home,,, late by 2 minutes, sent home,,, loads of other things i cant go into now for time reasons..

    but when he turns up late by 2 minutes with 2 other lads and they are allowed into school and he is the only one sent home for being late is not acceptable in my book.?

    especially since he goes to school in town and lives in ballymun,,,

    what is the policy for being sent home....

    or where could i find information on it

    I'm surprised your friend hasn't asked for a meeting with the principle &/or the boys teacher to work out a strategy to sort out whatever is going on. Can the school let you know when he's sent home and why? Ask them for a copy of their discipline policies and ask for them to contact your friend when and why your friends son is sent home. It might be worth getting in touch with your local TD and the relevant education board if there is no satisfaction from the principle.


  • #16
    spurious
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    If that is the school discipline/punctuality policy, then he (and his parent or guardian) will have signed at some stage to agree to abide by it. Some schools have students sign every year.

    If he can't manage to abide by it, perhaps there is some other school will let him come in as he pleases and bring or not bring his equipment, whatever he feels like.


  • #17
    Lollymcd
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    RMD wrote: »
    What school you talking about? I know a fair few people from Ballymum go into O'connells between Marlborough and Gardiner street, and they have a policy of 3 lates and then sent home. Might be more to it than meets the eye, perhaps the kid knows he'll be sent home if he's late so he deliberatley goes in late and plays the innocent card onces hes sent home.

    Lads in my year in school 2 minutes up the road have to come in from Meath, Kildare, Wicklow and there's even 1 lad coming in from Louth. Ballymun is nothing excusable and it isn't hard to get from there to town.

    O'Connell's CBS is on North Richmond Road off the NCR. I think the school you are thinking of is Larkin Community College. It's a good school and I'd be surprised if they acted so petty.


  • #18
    Kenteach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 298 ✭✭Kenteach


    Don't think any school is going to carry out this kind of practice unless it has been clearly stated in an agreed policy with students and their guardians. Most parents I know are quite deluded when it comes to the behaviour and character of their kids at school. More to it would be my honest opinion. I've some nightmares in my class, but have never sent anyone home. Having a tit of a principal could be aproblem though, a bad principal will always end up running a bad school.


  • #19
    Pride Fighter
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    Some are saying the kid is mitching but the OP is saying the principal is a tit.

    I'd say what is happening is somewhere in the middle. The kid probably mitches sometimes and the principal probably gives out about any little thing to punish him for mitching.


    Quite simply ya have to go over the principals head to the board of education. If the principal is warned by those who employ him he will tow the line or risk the school being sued for a denial of education to the student.


  • #20
    Holsten
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    He must be a little bollox who they have no time for thus getting rid of him anyway possible.


  • #21
    spurious
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    If the discipline/punctuality policy states that this will happen if repeatedly late or missing equipment, no meetings with principals, or boards or ministers will make any difference.

    I'm sure the other students who do manage to get in on time and have their stuff with them spend hours weeping over this poor boy with his missed opportunities.


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  • #22
    ejmaztec
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    Perhaps he leers at girls and froths at the mouth with his trousers round his ankles?


    Although I never got sent home for doing that, but times change.


  • #23
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Perhaps he leers at girls and froths at the mouth with his trousers round his ankles?


    Although I never got sent home for doing that, but times change.

    Ture, but then you are a teacher!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #24
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Ture, but then you are a teacher!

    I could be if I changed my name and forged my CV.


  • #25
    Biggins
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    We know not all the facts but I'll throw something else out there for further thought...

    As the pupil is attending the school and if he indeed does enter the school property many mornings only to be sent home, I suspect there is very much more to this case than meets the eye.
    The school has a "legal duty of care" to those attending it and if for some reason they send someone away from within the hours they operate, they (the staff) are held to a higher form of accountability for anything that might happen to the boy.
    I say this because clearly (I'm assuming the staff/principle are intelligent to know this) they do not send him just away lightly on a notion or whim, definitely not without justifiable cause.

    There is more to this picture than we are seeing.
    I suspect maybe a parent is not telling the full story to others or even is not aware themselves that there is more to the story than they know.


  • #26
    Package
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    thanks guys,, im not sure what school it is. and the parent has had a few meetings with the school. to no avail.

    im not totally sure of the ins and outs and im sure there may be more than meets the eye on this one.

    i will do a bit more delving and even sit in on the next meeting im sure is to be had and i will let you all know any further developments..


  • #27
    jd007
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    Does the school ring the parents to collect him or just more or else tell him to get out? Surely they'd have to ring the parents to bring him home?


  • #28
    Package
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Package


    well the story is, they generally dont wanna know. they send him home and dont bother getting in contact. the parent has rang up to complain about this and cant actually get through to the principle, who "hasnt got time to talk to her as he has "important" things to be doing" , and that was heard by his parent over the phone.

    when his parent went into the school the follwing day, the principle denied saying this and told her "not to believe everything your son tells you" . she pointed out that she was actually on the phone at the time and heard it.

    i suppose we will just have to wait untill everyone is in the same room and get it all out in the open.


  • #29
    Ickle Magoo
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    I would advise your friend to write down all the issues with dates if possible and start compiling an official complaint against the school, make sure she lets the school know she's doing it. I would maybe give the dept of education a call - if it's a state school - and ask their advice, they may be able to offer a mediator and I'm sure the principal would be more likely to play ball if there was third party interference.


  • #30
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I could be if I changed my name and forged my CV.

    ... and wore pants. Or a dress. If not male.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #31
    TriciaDelicia
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    I've seen it myself, if the teachers dislike a student they seem to use any excuse to send them home or throw them out of the class.


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