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I really shouldn't laugh at the recently deceased but...

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  • #32
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Gurgle wrote: »
    What is the fcuking point?

    well, there's none really, but most of these people have been persecuted and many may have had their families wiped out by invaders etc. It's hard for us to understand their mindset but they're not stupid either, just because they're poor and religious doesn't mean they're idiots, they're as human as we are.


  • #33
    southsiderosie
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    well they're not exactly heroes on the other side either. Dirty war. And isn't all fair anyway?

    But is seems like most of the time, the attacks that use car/truck bombs mainly kill locals - i.e. other Muslims - not Americans. US personnel are generally well protected in these countries compared to the civilian population. So the main effect on Americans is generally symbolic - it makes the administration look bad, and fuels calls for a) retribution or b) to withdraw. And this is on the backs of innocent people who may not like the American presence, but have no say in the matter of being blown up to Kingdom Come. So, no, all is not fair.


  • #34
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    It takes two to tango, when it comes to a war both sides are as bad as each other.
    The only reason the terrorists use these tactics is because they think they've no other choice, and their right to a certain extent they can't fight the west by traditional means they'd simply lose. I'm not saying their justified or anything but I do believe that they believe they're doing a good and noble thing. I can't really justify calling them evil or "the bad guys" because of that. Just backward, ignorant, misguided fools.


  • #35
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    well, there's none really, but most of these people have been persecuted and many may have had their families wiped out by invaders etc. It's hard for us to understand their mindset but they're not stupid either, just because they're poor and religious doesn't mean they're idiots, they're as human as we are.

    Can you show me statistics that say most of these people have been persecuted?


  • #36
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    well, there's none really, but most of these people have been persecuted and many may have had their families wiped out by invaders etc. It's hard for us to understand their mindset but they're not stupid either, just because they're poor and religious doesn't mean they're idiots, they're as human as we are.

    I meant the point in a suicide bombing.
    If you want to mount a resistance, mount a resistance.

    Its not at all hard to understand the mindset of those joining the resistance / terrorist groups, but that of the leaders is beyond comprehension.


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  • #37
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    well, there's none really, but most of these people have been persecuted and many may have had their families wiped out by invaders etc. It's hard for us to understand their mindset but they're not stupid either, just because they're poor and religious doesn't mean they're idiots, they're as human as we are.

    They must be idiots falling for the bullsh1t of some old con-man mullah, who makes feckin certain that he doesn't have to strap on a suicide vest.


  • #38
    fikay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭fikay


    While you guys are busy debating the issues facing the modern tardicide banger, I was thinking of this hero.http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-25.html


  • #39
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    It appears their intentions were to attack foreign troops. They are fighting for their cause, in the same respect that the Americans are fighting for their cause.

    Do you laugh when Americans die in cross-fire? I doubt it.

    These people are being occupied by a foreign army, and have obviously witnessed many deaths in their life as a result of the occupying forces - possibly family members and friends.

    If my family members and friends were killed by an occupying force, I'd have no problems in justifying an attack on them, and neither would most people in this thread if they could be truthfully honest with themselves.

    10'000's of civilians killed. Not one of you blink an eye and even attempt to understand what impact this plays on someone.


  • #40
    Hazys
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    Nowhere in the Qur'an does it mention that it is noble or a way to heaven and have virgin wives if they commit suicide while killing infidels, but the majority of suicide bombers believe this.

    The are brainwashed to believe that they will go to heaven and be considered a hero if they commit these crimes, with that mindset they are most definetly cowards for carrying out these crimes. Brainwashed or not its a cowards way to fight a war.

    All through history there have sides of wars and political injustice that were compeletly outmatched by their opponents but they kept their dignity in fighting for their cause and didnt resort to killing innocent people and made huge sacrifices to themselves and their families, see Easter Rising 1916, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, etc.

    Suicide Bombers see it as a win-win situation, sneak up on the opponent, kill as many people as you can, be a hero, go to heaven. The men who entered the GPO in 1916 believed they would be killed or imprisioned because of their actions and only fought men in uniform. Those men where heros who fought with dignity and sacrificed everything for their cause, i think it would be fair to say some of them believed that they would go to hell for what they were going to do.


  • #41
    ScumLord
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    Hazys wrote: »
    Suicide Bombers see it as a win-win situation, sneak up on the opponent, kill as many people as you can, be a hero, go to heaven. The men who entered the GPO in 1916 believed they would be killed or imprisioned because of their actions and only fought men in uniform. Those men where heros who fought with dignity and sacrificed everything for their cause, i think it would be fair to say some of them believed that they would go to hell for what they were going to do.
    The men from 1916 would never have boomed indiscriminately though. The men of 1916 would have been disgusted by the modern IRA up north and probably would have vomited at the thought of accidentally killing an innocent bystander.

    If the rebels in the middle east exclusively attacked military targets they may get more international support, it often makes me go into conspiracy theory mode as to why these people make attacks on their own people, surely it can't achieve anything.


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  • #42
    FlutterinBantam
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    i never understood how anyone can call a suicide bomber a coward? Extremely brave and passionate in my opinion


    he heh Brainwashed I'd say. Oh and stupid too:D


  • #43
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    dlofnep wrote: »
    It appears their intentions were to attack foreign troops. They are fighting for their cause, in the same respect that the Americans are fighting for their cause.

    Do you laugh when Americans die in cross-fire? I doubt it.

    These people are being occupied by a foreign army, and have obviously witnessed many deaths in their life as a result of the occupying forces - possibly family members and friends.

    If my family members and friends were killed by an occupying force, I'd have no problems in justifying an attack on them, and neither would most people in this thread if they could be truthfully honest with themselves.

    10'000's of civilians killed. Not one of you blink an eye and even attempt to understand what impact this plays on someone.

    I couldn't give a bollox, serves them right the cowardly shower.


  • #44
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    dlofnep wrote: »
    It appears their intentions were to attack foreign troops. They are fighting for their cause, in the same respect that the Americans are fighting for their cause.

    Do you laugh when Americans die in cross-fire? I doubt it.

    These people are being occupied by a foreign army, and have obviously witnessed many deaths in their life as a result of the occupying forces - possibly family members and friends.

    If my family members and friends were killed by an occupying force, I'd have no problems in justifying an attack on them, and neither would most people in this thread if they could be truthfully honest with themselves.

    10'000's of civilians killed. Not one of you blink an eye and even attempt to understand what impact this plays on someone.

    Oh yes, give me the innocent Taliban any day, they never hurt a fly:eek:


  • #45
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I couldn't give a bollox, serves them right the cowardly shower.

    Define "cowardly", and then we'll discuss if attacking a foreign occupier is a cowardly act.
    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Oh yes, give me the innocent Taliban any day, they never hurt a fly:eek:

    Who said the Taliban were innocent? Nobody is abstaining them of their wrongdoings. I was merely pointing out that people often overlook 2 key issues in regards to such an attack. Who they are attacking (Foreign troops), and why they are attacking.

    If American troops killed 1000's of Irish civilians, would you sit idly by and would you accept being called a coward if you responded to their occupation?


  • #46
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    *sings*

    The bombs on the bus go tick tick boom, tick tick boom, tick tick boom, the bombs on the bus go tick tick boom, Allah wills it sooooo


  • #47
    Hazys
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    If American troops killed 1000's of Irish civilians, would you sit idly by and would you accept being called a coward if you responded to their occupation?

    I don't know if you are aware of this but the British killed many irish civilians throughout the years. Then the IRA blew up many innocent civilans in the past 30 years and i'd like to think the majority of people in Ireland were disgusted by the bombing and murdering of innocent civilians, no matter their political views.


  • #48
    SlimJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SlimJ


    Jerry Seinfeld has a bit about this in his new act...

    "I like it when the suicide bombers blow up before they intended to. Like some kind of Jihad E. Coyote."


  • #49
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Jumpy wrote: »
    *sings*

    The bombs on the bus go tick tick boom, tick tick boom, tick tick boom, the bombs on the bus go tick tick boom, Allah wills it sooooo

    That was almost exactly what I thought when I read that cnn story.
    Mine was

    "The wheels on the bus go up and up, up and up, up and up."

    Any time suicide bombers kill themselves and no one else it's a plus as far as I am concerned.


  • #50
    Ash.J.Williams
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    In that case Bobby Sands was a coward, killing himself to get a message across, maybe Maggie was right?

    Not sure if he was in a crowded place rigged to the hilt with explosives though?


  • #51
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    ffs, if these guys were using guns and airstrikes they'd still be considered terrorists

    why is that? are they not fighting a war?

    How is it any different to what the Americans are doing? They kill innocents too, albeit accidently (most of the time)


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  • #52
    CrazyRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    i never understood how anyone can call a suicide bomber a coward? Extremely brave and passionate in my opinion

    Please don't confuse religiously induced insanity & hatred with bravery or passion.


  • #53
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    BraziliaNZ: the cowards blow themselves up in markets full of unarmed women and children. They have used mentally retarded people to walk into markets, and blow them up. How is this brave?

    When the f**ktars minority were in power, they killed the majority. They prevented women from learning. Heck, they have bombed schools that teach women. You calling that brave?

    The US target terrorists.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    If my family members and friends were killed by an occupying force, I'd have no problems in justifying an attack on them, and neither would most people in this thread if they could be truthfully honest with themselves.
    Likewise, but I'd target the enemy, not my own people.

    =-=

    If Mohammed the Prophet were around, he'd probably kill the Taliban. The Dude was honourable, both when he was captured by the enemy, and when he captured the enemy.


  • #54
    Morlar
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    As soon as they start burning themselves alive like buddhist monks i will start think twice about their motives. Until then they are sociopathic, brainwashed retards whether its killing scores of civilians in russia, london, bali, spain, new york, israel, somalia, afghanistan or iraq or anywhere.


  • #55
    FlutterinBantam
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Define "cowardly", and then we'll discuss if attacking a foreign occupier is a cowardly act.



    Who said the Taliban were innocent? Nobody is abstaining them of their wrongdoings. I was merely pointing out that people often overlook 2 key issues in regards to such an attack. Who they are attacking (Foreign troops), and why they are attacking.

    If American troops killed 1000's of Irish civilians, would you sit idly by and would you accept being called a coward if you responded to their occupation?

    I'll certainly define cowardly, those people who killed upwards of 90 at a volleyball game in Pakistan.

    People who won't wear a uniform and skulk amongst innocents to ensure collateral, and then start beating their breasts when children are killed that what i call cowardly.

    People who 'set up shop' in the vicinity of hospitals using the sick as a human shield for their terrorist activities.

    People should take off their idealistic naive coloured glasses and make an effort to appreciate reality.


  • #56
    dragonbet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭dragonbet


    I know this gives a little insight into the ****ed up goings on in my head but why didnt they get 14 different buses.... why would 14 suicide bombers need to get on one bus full of explosives...!!! It can only show how dumb they truely are. The world is a little safer today without these 14 crazy ****heads..!!


  • #57
    Prof.Badass
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    I do not support or have any sympathy for suicide bombers. But I wouldn't call them cowards.

    Just because something someone did took bravery doesn't make it in any way admirable. For example a "cowardly" paedophile would never go through with raping and killing a child or a "cowardly" psychopath would never go through with that killing spree they fantacise about.
    Saint_Mel wrote: »
    ... and with 72 virgins waiting for them they'd be stupid not to do it!

    Which is why any girls reading this should make sure they don't die a virgin :pac:.


  • #58
    Prof.Badass
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    the_syco wrote: »
    the cowards blow themselves up in markets full of unarmed women and children.

    Are you in some way implying that a man's life is less valuble?


  • #59
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    i never understood how anyone can call a suicide bomber a coward? Extremely brave and passionate in my opinion

    Not really.
    As stated before, people who resort to these tactics genuinely believe that they will be rewarded in paradise.
    I am neither saddened or delighted to hear about their deaths. It really doesn't bother me.
    What worries me the most is that the effect religion had on these mens lives was so strong, and provoked so much hatred towards the "infidels" that they were willing to blow themselves up to take the lives of others.

    Now that is fcuking scary.


  • #60
    Mike 1972
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    i never understood how anyone can call a suicide bomber a coward? Extremely brave and passionate in my opinion

    brave ? peharps
    passionate ? maybe
    Idiotic brainwashed murderous fruitcakes ? almost invariably.

    Where do people get this strange ****edup notion that if a person is perpared to kill die for their beliefs that this automatically precludes the possibility of said beliefs being a pile of shyte ?


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  • #61
    smurgen
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    typical keyboard warrior responses on this- "ha ha religiously influenced terrorists die,delighted for the cowards!"

    it makes me sick! i agree, people who blow themselves up in markets and civilian areas are cowards however those who target military checkpoints are heros.also i really don't believe that the majority of these terrorists think they will have 12 or so virgins in heaven-sounds like western propaganda to me. Making them sound illogical,betrays the sacrificy they make. I think they know they will die in a horrible way and they do so to fight an unwinable fight against foreign pillagers. I would be flabber ghasted if no one kicked up a fuss and just left the americans do what they want, that to me would be lunacy. If everyone done that what would stop the amerians from just walking into every other country in the world?the Americans are cowards.these soldiers are doing a job they signed up for willingly. the people in the countires they occupied however have their lives destroyed,the did not sign up for this war. americans and brittians wouldn't be so fast to engage in wars i bet if it was to be fought within their own contries and not in some foreign land they dn't care about.


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