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€150 million plus spent on housing travellers over 5 years

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  • #62
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    fcuking disgrace i wouldnt spend a penny on them


  • #63
    Massive Muscles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Massive Muscles


    efla wrote: »
    Sure, I'll let the CSO and ESRI know straight away
    ESRI don't have access and the CSO wouldn't dare publish those sort of figures as it wouldn't be very PC.


  • #64
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    slightly off topic about two months ago while i was on my break i had two delightfull characters pull up in a van and ask me for a bit of diesel as one of there vans had run out.
    i told them no and pionted to the petrol station accross the road(all 40ft accross) they junped back in there van a headed off. ask anyone in the transport industry and they will tell you of lads over nighting in trucks to find there diesel tank emtied the next morning:mad:


  • #65
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    so easy to spend money when its not your own:mad:


  • #66
    sold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭sold


    Grimes wrote: »
    Saying anything negative about the travelling community on this thread will be considered an extreme form of racism. I say more money to our noble traveller friends because im not a racist, but can one be racist towards travellers? They are Irish. Can I have a house

    I know moderators are to moderate, and of course boards.ie should not be a platform to raciscism. But lets be also objective. I know there has been a lot of back press towards them, I suppose resentment breads contempt so we have a circle that turns itself. What I find objectable is that fact that "travellers" have been excempt for making a contribution to Irish Society, they have their label and they use their label to play the system. They seem to exempt themselves from the rest of Irish society (maybe they are not to blame).

    I honestly have no problem with money being spent on them. Everyone needs a place to live. But they seem to abuse everything that is given to them. A friend of mine a social worker organise a wedding for a traveller in his name at a hotel. They totally abused his trust and literally trashed the place (once they got drunk).

    Sorry for being negative, I am sure there are many good, honest travellers, but there seems to be some who give all of them a bad name.

    Is there nobody from travelling community on boads.ie who wants to take a stand for them.

    My personal opinion is that "per head" more money is being spend on the traveller than on any other community in Ireland. There are aprox 24000 in Ireland, so 150 Million over 5 years is a lot of money for housing when most of them won't live in a house.

    I think its time for an honest open debate, we need to help them, and maybe they have somthing to teach us. But as it stands it seems that help is going only one way.


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  • #67
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    sold wrote: »
    My personal opinion is that "per head" more money is being spend on the traveller than on any other community in Ireland. There are aprox 24000 in Ireland, so 150 Million over 5 years is a lot of money for housing when most of them won't live in a house.

    I think its time for an honest open debate, we need to help them, and maybe they have somthing to teach us. But as it stands it seems that help is going only one way.

    Neither would I object to housing provision if it formed part of a broader (nationwide) social housing initiative with realistic long-term goals - cost effectiveness, owner occupancy etc - and standardized means-testing and monitoring for all applicants


  • #68
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    why are there travelers living in a rented house right beside me :(

    i mean they are pretty rich, 40-60 inch plasma tv, decorations to blind you, bout 5 kids and all getting everything they want, big jeep with trailer in garden, red van

    i mean come on... get out, i dont like you, you smell, make a lot of noise and damage property ! :mad:


  • #69
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Fookin prawns. We need to send thim beck up to that lekker spaceship of theirs end fire thim into space.


  • #70
    The Express
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭The Express


    If Pavee Point admit that there is a 'traveller economy' (horse trading, scrap dealing, etc) well then let's have a bit a tax revenue from it please!!!


  • #71
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    sold wrote: »
    I know moderators are to moderate, and of course boards.ie should not be a platform to raciscism. But lets be also objective. I know there has been a lot of back press towards them, I suppose resentment breads contempt so we have a circle that turns itself. What I find objectable is that fact that "travellers" have been excempt for making a contribution to Irish Society, they have their label and they use their label to play the system. They seem to exempt themselves from the rest of Irish society (maybe they are not to blame).

    I honestly have no problem with money being spent on them. Everyone needs a place to live. But they seem to abuse everything that is given to them. A friend of mine a social worker organise a wedding for a traveller in his name at a hotel. They totally abused his trust and literally trashed the place (once they got drunk).

    Sorry for being negative, I am sure there are many good, honest travellers, but there seems to be some who give all of them a bad name.

    Is there nobody from travelling community on boads.ie who wants to take a stand for them.

    My personal opinion is that "per head" more money is being spend on the traveller than on any other community in Ireland. There are aprox 24000 in Ireland, so 150 Million over 5 years is a lot of money for housing when most of them won't live in a house.

    I think its time for an honest open debate, we need to help them, and maybe they have somthing to teach us. But as it stands it seems that help is going only one way.

    That is where you are wrong


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  • #72
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    aDeener wrote: »
    That is where you are wrong

    agreed... 4-6 year old kids are going around with fake two euro coins in shops and asking people for change.

    yes my neighbor again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #73
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Everyone in Ireland should be treated exactly the same, and no-one should have the right to be pushed to the front of the advantage queue, no matter what part of society they belong to. Everyone earning income should also have to pay taxes and PRSI.

    No group should be exempted from prosecution for not complying with the rules that the vast majority of the population stick to.


  • #74
    Whosbetter?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Whosbetter?


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    agreed... 4-6 year old kids are going around with fake two euro coins in shops and asking people for change.

    Ah sure, 2 YoYos is not much of a price to pay to change one of 'em into something useful..


  • #75
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    aDeener wrote: »
    That is where you are wrong

    ....and you


  • #76
    rainbowdrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭rainbowdrop


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    agreed... 4-6 year old kids are going around with fake two euro coins in shops and asking people for change.

    yes my neighbor again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Outside my local Centra store a few weeks ago, at about 1pm on a Tuesday afternoon, I was asked by a young boy (aged about 8) if I ''wanted to buy a chainsaw missus?". Now, why the fawk wasn't that lad in school? I don't care if it isn't PC of me too say this, but no normal person would have their 8year old son trying to flog power tools outside a supermarket to random passers- by!!

    Also, when my daughters school bought in a new uniform of tracksuits in February last year (we were told we had to purchase them then, we could not wait til the new school year started in September). All the traveller children were brought into a classroom and just HANDED their new tracksuit, without even being ASKED for money, whilst every other parent had to hand over €40 for their child's tracksuit. (even the children of parents receiving benefits and who would be entitled to a grant)

    My cousin is a teacher at my daughter's school, and she told me about this, and she also told me that the traveller kid's NEVER have to pay for their school books, they are just given them every year.

    Even when a normal Irish person in receipt of benefits gets a grant to buy their kids uniform (and there will be a lot more now with the recession), they have to buy uniform AND books with that money. Travellers don't have to pay, why?

    I live directly across the road from a halting site, and I could go on and on about them (like the time they fought with slash hooks in my front garden):D, but I won't, as I'l probably get banned........


  • #77
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    rainbowdrop wrote: »
    Outside my local Centra store a few weeks ago, at about 1pm on a Tuesday afternoon, I was asked by a young boy (aged about 8) if I ''wanted to buy a chainsaw missus?". Now, why the fawk wasn't that lad in school? I don't care if it isn't PC of me too say this, but no normal person would have their 8year old son trying to flog power tools outside a supermarket to random passers- by!!

    Also, when my daughters school bought in a new uniform of tracksuits in February last year (we were told we had to purchase them then, we could not wait til the new school year started in September). All the traveller children were brought into a classroom and just HANDED their new tracksuit, without even being ASKED for money, whilst every other parent had to hand over €40 for their child's tracksuit. (even the children of parents receiving benefits and who would be entitled to a grant)

    My cousin is a teacher at my daughter's school, and she told me about this, and she also told me that the traveller kid's NEVER have to pay for their school books, they are just given them every year.

    Even when a normal Irish person in receipt of benefits gets a grant to buy their kids uniform (and there will be a lot more now with the recession), they have to buy uniform AND books with that money. Travellers don't have to pay, why?

    I live directly across the road from a halting site, and I could go on and on about them (like the time they fought with slash hooks in my front garden):D, but I won't, as I'l probably get banned........

    we share a great hatred for travellers.

    marry me.


  • #78
    rainbowdrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭rainbowdrop


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    we share a great hatred for travellers.

    marry me.

    Only if I'm allowed to arrive at the church in a pumpkin shaped carriage, dressed in an luminous pink 20ft wide wedding dress!*



    *and you must change your name to Pa-Boy
    :D


  • #79
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    rainbowdrop wrote: »
    Only if I'm allowed to arrive at the church in a pumpkin shaped carriage, dressed in an luminous pink 20ft wide wedding dress!*



    *and you must change your name to Pa-Boy
    :D

    Ah fuck it. too much hassle !

    moving on.......

    :);)


  • #80
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    I'm closing this 'til tomorrow.

    Expect some bannings in the morning.


  • #81
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Massive Muscles wrote: »
    Yes and you would not believe them if I told you. Same for Romanians.

    Banned for racism.
    R0ot wrote: »
    Thieving tinkers, they along with scumbags and knackers should all be shot.
    R0ot wrote: »
    I'm not that big a fan of the jews either, present day ones not pre-holocaust.

    Banned for racism.
    robbie_998 wrote: »
    i mean come on... get out, i dont like you, you smell, make a lot of noise and damage property ! :mad:
    I am sure there are many good, honest travellers
    aDeener wrote: »
    That is where you are wrong

    Banned for racism.
    robbie_998 wrote: »
    agreed
    robbie_998 wrote: »
    we share a great hatred for travellers.

    marry me.

    Banned fo racism.


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  • #82
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Banned for racism.





    Banned for racism.







    Banned for racism.





    Banned fo racism.

    Since when are Travellers a race?!


  • #83
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    Since when are Travellers a race?!

    Did you read our Charter?


  • #84
    Uncle Arthur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Uncle Arthur


    I cannot see why those posters were banned, from my experiences of travellers all they said was the truth. Not once have I met a decent one, they surely must be the "small minority". All I have met from them was a knuckle duster to the face outside a nightclub because I apparently was "eyein up" his "byooorr":rolleyes: and an attempted burglary and being verbally abused anytime I walk past a group of them.


  • #85
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Travellers are identical to me, genetically. Identical.

    There are no race issues here, there are social issues to tackle and descriminatory issues, granted, but not race ones.


  • #86
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Uncle Arthur wrote: »
    I cannot see why those posters were banned, from my experiences of travellers all they said was the truth. Not once have I met a decent one, they surely must be the "small minority". All I have met from them was a knuckle duster to the face outside a nightclub because I apparently was "eyein up" his "byooorr":rolleyes: and an attempted burglary and being verbally abused anytime I walk past a group of them.
    Amalgam wrote: »
    Travellers are identical to me, genetically. Identical.

    There are no race issue here, there are social issues to tackle and descriminatory issues, granted, but not race ones.
    Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.

    Now I would advise both of you to read the Charter, I don't want to have to ban anyone els over this.

    Thanks. :)


  • #87
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    If anyone has any questions regarding the bannings please PM me, do not post on thread, it is against the boards.ie and AH Charter and will lead to a ban.

    Thanks.


  • #88
    sold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭sold


    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    Since when are Travellers a race?!

    Ok, exactly since when are travellers a race? Are not all who are born in the republic of Ireland from parents born here Irish?

    anyway I think this thread is boomed to failure, there does not seem to be anyone from the travelling community here to give their point of view so all we are going to do is point out every failure that we have come across.


  • #89
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    I don't discriminate against travellers based on their race (why, they're Irish caucasians - the same f*cking RACE as ME). I discriminate based on their actions and willingness to conform to stereotypes.


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