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Sub 5 or No Beer

  • 24-12-2009 06:41PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭


    Me; 29yr, 80(ish)kg 5'7" and Male, single with no kids.

    The challenge, no Beer/no drinkies until I've run 1 mile in less than 5 Minuntes.

    Best time to date 7:33 (today)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Love the simplicity of this challenge, best of luck with it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    It will be interesting to see how long it takes you to achieve it.
    Sub 5 minute is no handy task...best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Best of luck Mr A. A good downhill run of a mile should suit best :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Mr Amazing wrote: »
    Me; 29yr, 80(ish)kg 5'7" and Male.

    The challenge, no Beer/no drinkies until I've run 1 mile in less than 5 Minuntes.

    Best time to date 7:33 (today)

    Best of luck will take a lot of work but defo possible, best of luck...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭belcarra


    Best of luck with this but your timing couldn't possibly be worse could it?
    Of course, perhaps you're giving yourself an excuse to stay sober this xmas but rather you than me!!

    The Grinch!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Sosa wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see how long it takes you to achieve it.
    Sub 5 minute is no handy task...best of luck.

    It could (will) be months before my next beer :o ........what was I thinking :eek:.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Best of luck Mr A. A good downhill run of a mile should suit best :D

    Now that's a plan :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Probably not going to get out today. (day 2 and I'm already slacking off :D).

    I'm going to keep a food diary in here too, need to lose a few Kg.

    bowl of porrige, (it's actually a dolmeo lasanage dish :o)


    Happy Christmas Everybody :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭christeb


    Genial simplicity - I look forward to this and hope for your sake you're drunk before Easter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    Realistically you might never drink again. Sub five is a serious jump from 7.33. I rem taking up running in 2007 and running 5.39 for hte mile. Dont even think i would get under 5 min now.
    Maybe a night out everytime you hit a certain target. Sub 7, 6.30 etc........
    depends if one likes a pint. If you aint pushed on beer then it aint going to drive you.
    Bottom line is the goal realistic ??? If it aint then you might pack it in after a few months...........
    Maybe going sub 40 min for a 10km might be more achievable with hard training.

    I dont see you having a beer in 2010. Harsh but i dont hold back.
    At least you will shed a few ibs............


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    Realistically you might never drink again. Sub five is a serious jump from 7.33. I rem taking up running in 2007 and running 5.39 for hte mile. Dont even think i would get under 5 min now.
    Maybe a night out everytime you hit a certain target. Sub 7, 6.30 etc........
    depends if one likes a pint. If you aint pushed on beer then it aint going to drive you.
    Bottom line is the goal realistic ??? If it aint then you might pack it in after a few months...........
    Maybe going sub 40 min for a 10km might be more achievable with hard training.

    I dont see you having a beer in 2010. Harsh but i dont hold back.
    At least you will shed a few ibs............

    Was thinking the same thing VR.

    Are you following a specific plan Mr. Amazing? Have you done much running before?

    Dont get me wrong I think its definitely possible to break 5 (and just by taking weight off you'll see your times falling) but for me it would definitely be a long term target, over a few years rather than say a few months.

    Bottom line, going under 5 for the mile take a lot of work...to put it in perspective Mcmillan puts it at the equivalent of a 2:48 marathon. Its serious running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Hi village runner, Running Bing,

    I hear exactly what you are saying........It is wildly ambition :D, and to be honest if I ever manage to run a sub 5 mile I will rank it as the greatest sporting achievement of my life.

    I was out today did a 6:27:68 a lot less ice and clothes than last time.

    Running Bing, I will definitely need a plan...but for now I'm concentrating on cleaning up my diet (this is a biggy for me) and general strenght/fitness, this is the real basic stuff like excerising 5 times a week etc...I will focus on this for the next couple of weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    A soso day today,
    Did some strenght and flexiblity work for about 45mins, hamstrings couldn't be much shorter if they tried.
    Still eating an aweful lot of rubbish :o. Getting my own place the end of January so that should make my diners/lunches a bit healthier.
    Looking forward to getting out on the road tomorrow.

    Food:
    b'fast: skipped as didn't get up until 1pm
    Lunch: soup, ham, patateos, turnip, lots and lots of chocolate buns and maranges.
    Diner: baked hake and veg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Run: 40 mins mixed pace with rain.

    Food: Porridge, 3 apples, 100g of cewhew nuts, 10 slices of mccabrige and chesse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    Mr Amazing wrote: »
    Run: 40 mins mixed pace with rain.

    Food: Porridge, 3 apples, 100g of cewhew nuts, 10 slices of mccabrige and chesse.


    #that mccambridge is lethal. That ten slices is the equivalent of 20 WW points and thats without the cheese. So you would have tought you were healthy and its way over your quota. I had 9 chocolate kimberly in 20 min but at least i know it wasnt healthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    Fair play. And well done so far. As mentioned by a couple of posters, I love the simplicity of this challenge. Imagine....in 2 years time/10 years time/50 years time, you will be telling somebody casually in a pub conversation "Once I gave up drink for 3 months/6 months/12 months until I was able to run a mile in 5 minutes". Picture also the Carlsberg scence from the end of Ice Cold In Alex..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Training: strenght and flexiblity today

    Food: Porridge with seeds and nuts, tomatoe and bassel soup, prawns with mixed veg.

    Stole this of runningplanet.com it's for 1500m but it's a starting point and it got a good bit of variety, I'm a little suprised how short the runs are.

    Day 1 – 5 x 400 meter repeats @ current pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery. Then run 5 x 400 meter repeats @ goal pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery.
    Day 2 – 8 kilometer fartlek run.
    Day 3 – 2 x 2400 meter repeats @ 5K pace. Recover between each repeat with 2 minutes of passive recovery.
    Day 4 – Run 8 kilometers @ easy pace.
    Day 5 – 10 x 200 meter repeats @ 400 meter pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery.
    Day 6 – 5K to 8K fartlek run or rest.
    Day 7 – 3 x 800/200 compound sets. Run 800 meters @ goal pace then another 200 meters @ 800 meter pace. Take no recovery between the distances. Recover between each set with 4 minutes of passive recovery.
    Day 8 – Run 10 kilometers @ easy pace.
    Day 9 – Run 4 x 400 meter repeats @ current pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery. Then run 4 x 200 meter repeats @ 800 meter pace. Recover between each repeat with 30 seconds of passive recovery. Then run 4 x 100 meter repeats @ sprint pace. Recover between each repeat with 15 seconds of passive recovery.
    Day 10 – 10 kilometer fartlek run.
    Day 11 - Run for 21 minutes alternating between 1 minute @ mile pace and 2 minutes @ easy pace. Then run 8 x 100 meter strides.
    Day 12 – 5K to 10K fartlek run or rest.
    Day 13 – Run 10 x 100 meter repeats up a steep hill. Run @ goal pace. Recover by running down the hill @ easy pace.
    Day 14 – Run 12 kilometers @ easy pace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    #that mccambridge is lethal. That ten slices is the equivalent of 20 WW points and thats without the cheese.

    I'm aiming for a relatively low carb diet so this was a slip up, but it is so nice and it's Low GI.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Fair play. And well done so far. As mentioned by a couple of posters, I love the simplicity of this challenge. Imagine....in 2 years time/10 years time/50 years time, you will be telling somebody casually in a pub conversation "Once I gave up drink for 3 months/6 months/12 months until I was able to run a mile in 5 minutes". Picture also the Carlsberg scence from the end of Ice Cold In Alex..

    12 months :eek:.. hang on, I could never last 12 months, 3 to 6 maybe but not 12.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭Running Bing


    Mr Amazing wrote: »
    12 months :eek:.. hang on, I could never last 12 months, 3 to 6 maybe but not 12.

    ha this is the thing Mr. Amazing.

    I imagine for most people it would take over a year and for a lot of people it would take significantly longer.

    There's a lot of decent runners who have been running for years who could'nt go under 5 for the mile.

    Now some people just take to running naturally and they improve very quickly (or if you have a history of running fast it tends to come back quickly in a lot of cases) but its the minority. 3-6 months seems a very short time frame (if your starting from scratch or haven't done much training).....the mile is really all about strength (its about 70% aerobic iirc) and it takes time to build strength.

    Having said that 6:27 at 80kg is pretty good. You can afford to lose a lot of weight and just by doing this you will go quicker......just stay away from the McCambridges.;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing



    Now some people just take to running naturally and they improve very quickly (or if you have a history of running fast it tends to come back quickly in a lot of cases) but its the minority. 3-6 months seems a very short time frame (if your starting from scratch or haven't done much training).....the mile is really all about strength (its about 70% aerobic iirc) and it takes time to build strength.;)

    I've been running/jogging the last couple of months, 3 days a week for about 40mins along with some Kickboxing. I've been in a lot better shape but you've got to start somewhere.


    You can afford to lose a lot of weight and just by doing this you will go quicker......just stay away from the McCambridges.;)

    I'd agree with you, I'm estimating I've got about 10Kg of insulation that I could do with loosing. I could probably shed 2Kg a month so there's 5 months.

    If I aim for 6 months...I'm hoping it would look something like this.....

    End of Jan, <6
    Feb, 5.50
    March, 5.40
    April, 5.30
    May, 5.20
    June, 5.10
    July, 5.00

    Looks so easy :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Training: Strenght and Flex......supposed to be running today but the weather has been horrible so it's a little frustrating.

    Food: Porridge with seeds, peanuts, Rivita and cheese, salmon with veg and cheese.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Last post for 2009, Happy new year to everbody :).

    Training: 35 minutes mixed pace, felt very good.

    Food: Porridge with seeds, xmas cake :), 3 apples, prawns and roast peppers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Mr Amazing wrote: »
    I've been running/jogging the last couple of months, 3 days a week for about 40mins along with some Kickboxing. I've been in a lot better shape but you've got to start somewhere.





    I'd agree with you, I'm estimating I've got about 10Kg of insulation that I could do with loosing. I could probably shed 2Kg a month so there's 5 months.

    If I aim for 6 months...I'm hoping it would look something like this.....

    End of Jan, <6
    Feb, 5.50
    March, 5.40
    April, 5.30
    May, 5.20
    June, 5.10
    July, 5.00

    Looks so easy :D

    Just wondered if your following a training plan and have some races planned? Did you do the 6:26 on a track or where.
    Might be an idea to get down to a track for a time trial.

    I ran 3:05 for an 800m 18 months ago and still dont think i'd get near the sub5 maybe 5:30 with a couple of months training . Would like to see what you would do 400/800m in at the moment. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    shels4ever wrote: »
    Just wondered if your following a training plan and have some races planned? Did you do the 6:26 on a track or where.
    Might be an idea to get down to a track for a time trial.

    Just around the block, measured using the car and google map thingy, so should be a mile give or take 10%. Once I get under 6 mins I'll sneak out to belfield for a few laps to get a real time.

    I've been looking around at training plans both 1 mile and 1500m, haven't started anything definite just yet as the weather isn't being very co-operative :(. The real test will be monday when I go back to work, as I can only see myself traing first thing in the morning at arond 6am :eek:.

    Does anybody know if there are any offical 1 mile races would like to get an offical time to stop me cheating :D.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    Traning: strenght and flex again today, seriously icey out, had the car park itself earlier, just stopped the car and it slide over the curb all by it's self :eek:. Could really do with getting out on the road more but it's just not worth the risk on days like today.

    Food: steak with stuffing, turnip, potateo, marmalade sandwidges, boilded eggs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Mr Amazing wrote: »

    Stole this of runningplanet.com it's for 1500m but it's a starting point and it got a good bit of variety, I'm a little suprised how short the runs are.

    Day 1 – 5 x 400 meter repeats @ current pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery. Then run 5 x 400 meter repeats @ goal pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery.
    Day 2 – 8 kilometer fartlek run.
    Day 3 – 2 x 2400 meter repeats @ 5K pace. Recover between each repeat with 2 minutes of passive recovery.
    Day 4 – Run 8 kilometers @ easy pace.
    Day 5 – 10 x 200 meter repeats @ 400 meter pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery.
    Day 6 – 5K to 8K fartlek run or rest.
    Day 7 – 3 x 800/200 compound sets. Run 800 meters @ goal pace then another 200 meters @ 800 meter pace. Take no recovery between the distances. Recover between each set with 4 minutes of passive recovery.
    Day 8 – Run 10 kilometers @ easy pace.
    Day 9 – Run 4 x 400 meter repeats @ current pace. Recover between each repeat with 1 minute of passive recovery. Then run 4 x 200 meter repeats @ 800 meter pace. Recover between each repeat with 30 seconds of passive recovery. Then run 4 x 100 meter repeats @ sprint pace. Recover between each repeat with 15 seconds of passive recovery.
    Day 10 – 10 kilometer fartlek run.
    Day 11 - Run for 21 minutes alternating between 1 minute @ mile pace and 2 minutes @ easy pace. Then run 8 x 100 meter strides.
    Day 12 – 5K to 10K fartlek run or rest.
    Day 13 – Run 10 x 100 meter repeats up a steep hill. Run @ goal pace. Recover by running down the hill @ easy pace.
    Day 14 – Run 12 kilometers @ easy pace.

    Be careful with taking schedules such as this one for a number of reasons

    1. this appears to be an athlete coming up to competition stage of their training. This training will do well for quick benefits for an athlete who already has a strong base which is why the runs are so short but ultimately the athletes aerobic base is eroded.

    2. Going from running three days a week to 6 or 7 days including hard workouts is inviting injuries. General rule of thumb on mileage is increase by 10% a week

    3. This schedule has WAY too many workouts as general rule should be a hard day followed by an easy one. Its the rest time in which your muscles develop and adapt not during the training. I can only imagine that this schedule follows the beliefs of "overload training" which his sorted of intensive training is only kept up for a maximum of 3 weeks. The belief is that it forces body to peak perfect few weeks before goal race but so early in training will not help at all. this type of training is very controversial and many feel the risk of injury is too high to warrant this.

    My advice to you would be keep it simple 2 workouts a week 6 days a week training including a long run.
    In terms of workouts here are some examples
    8*400m (with recovery = to time of rep)
    6*800m
    5*1k
    3*1 mile
    compound sets also mentioned earlier can be beneficial.

    Best of luck with your training and if you ever need a pacer for an attempt send us a mail maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭christeb


    Mr Amazing wrote: »
    Does anybody know if there are any offical 1 mile races would like to get an offical time to stop me cheating :D.

    There are 2 mile races in Raheny in the Spring:
    Weds March 10th
    Weds April 14th

    I would use these as time trials to see where you are, although it's a fast course I imagine your goal attempt will be on the track.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    ecoli wrote: »
    Be careful with taking schedules such as this one for a number of reasons

    1. this appears to be an athlete coming up to competition stage of their training. This training will do well for quick benefits for an athlete who already has a strong base which is why the runs are so short but ultimately the athletes aerobic base is eroded.

    2. Going from running three days a week to 6 or 7 days including hard workouts is inviting injuries. General rule of thumb on mileage is increase by 10% a week

    3. This schedule has WAY too many workouts as general rule should be a hard day followed by an easy one. Its the rest time in which your muscles develop and adapt not during the training. I can only imagine that this schedule follows the beliefs of "overload training" which his sorted of intensive training is only kept up for a maximum of 3 weeks. The belief is that it forces body to peak perfect few weeks before goal race but so early in training will not help at all. this type of training is very controversial and many feel the risk of injury is too high to warrant this.

    My advice to you would be keep it simple 2 workouts a week 6 days a week training including a long run.
    In terms of workouts here are some examples
    8*400m (with recovery = to time of rep)
    6*800m
    5*1k
    3*1 mile
    compound sets also mentioned earlier can be beneficial.

    Best of luck with your training and if you ever need a pacer for an attempt send us a mail maybe

    Hi Ecoli, thanks for the advise, the other one did look a little too complicated. The simplier the better at the moment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Mr Amazing


    christeb wrote: »
    There are 2 mile races in Raheny in the Spring:
    Weds March 10th
    Weds April 14th

    I would use these as time trials to see where you are, although it's a fast course I imagine your goal attempt will be on the track.


    Cool I'll pencil myself in for March, it should have thawed out by then....hopefully


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