Are British people foreigners?

mikemac · 27-12-2009 01:41AM

Iolar wrote: »

this is the inequality why is it southern Irish cant use the same method to claim British citizenship from the GFA

I believe they can if they were born in 1947 or before
I may be wrong on this though

AARRRGH · 27-12-2009 01:46AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

What is the difference?

It's hard to explain; spend some time in the UK and you'll see what I mean.

mikemac wrote: »

Loud and excitable?
Can you expand on this? I'm interested to learn more

Again, you really have to spend time there to see what I mean.

But on a basic level I think Irish and Spanish people have a warmth and softness which isn't too common in the UK.

lugha wrote: »

You're kidding! :eek: Language and sport only? How about music, food, celebrities, TV programs, pretty much any aspect of popular culture you can think of. We're like chalk and more chalk.

OK, let's break this down one by one.

Music: we like a lot of the same music, just like the French and Germans do, but you'd hardly say we are the same as the French and Germans. Certainly our tastes in music are not so similar to think the British aren't foreigners.

Food: our food is influenced by everywhere. We eat a **** load of Italian food but you wouldn't say we are culturally the same as Italian people.

TV programmes: yes, we get a lot of UK TV, and I agree that makes us understand their culture a bit more and definitely influences our own culture. But TV and reality are two different things.

Popular culture: similarities.

If you spend any time in the UK you quickly realise we are very different. Obviously we are more similar than say Japanese people, but being "more similar" is miles away from considering people from the UK as "not foreign".

Shacklebolt · 27-12-2009 01:49AM

dannym08 wrote: »

Cos no one wants it

Apart from the Reform Movement as I think they're called :rolleyes:

Mr Benevolent · 27-12-2009 01:49AM

Thread title fail tbh. Asking if UKians are foreigners is like asking if French people are German.

AARRRGH · 27-12-2009 01:53AM

Confab wrote: »

Thread title fail tbh. Asking if UKians are foreigners is like asking if French people are German.

Yeah.

Even if you head up to Belfast, it's very obvious you are in a different country/culture.

We're not the same.

Similar - yes. But the same - no.

the_syco · 27-12-2009 01:54AM

They may not be foreigners to other British people...:rolleyes:

Lauder · 27-12-2009 01:57AM

British people are not foreigners in Ireland, and likewise Irish people in Britain are not foreigners.

Have you forgotten the Ireland Act (1949) where it states Irish people are not legally foreigners in Britain and nor will they be treated as such.

OPENROAD · 27-12-2009 02:00AM

AARRRGH wrote: »

It's hard to explain; spend some time in the UK and you'll see what I mean.

I spend a huge amount of time in London and so go out a lot to pubs there, the only difference apart from a better selection of beer

and the slot machines is that the people tend to be more polite.

Can't say I notice much difference.

entropi · 27-12-2009 02:02AM

Lauder wrote: »

British people are not foreigners in Ireland, and likewise Irish people in Britain are not foreigners.

Have you forgotten the Ireland Act (1949) where it states Irish people are not legally foreigners in Britain and nor will they be treated as such.

But this was not a question about legality or history, more the idea in one's head if they see British people as foreigners...clearly most do so far.

Lauder · 27-12-2009 02:05AM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

But this was not a question about legality or history, more the idea in one's head if they see British people as foreigners...clearly most do so far.

Given the cultural, racial, historical and social similarities, the likelihood is someone from Britain is no further removed from someone from Ireland, than people from Cork and Dublin. We have too many similarities to be labelling each other "foreign".

Lauder · 27-12-2009 02:07AM

Iolar wrote: »

this is the inequality why is it southern Irish cant use the same method to claim British citizenship from the GFA

Very valid point, and an option like such should be available in the Republic.

Aldito · 27-12-2009 03:12AM

10% of the English population has an irish grandparent.

25% claim some some form of irish ancestry.

Chances are they're not totally foreign, however you may consider them.

Dudess · 27-12-2009 03:14AM

Geographically yes, culturally no (not saying the two cultures are exactly the same, but obviously there are many similarities).

belge boy · 27-12-2009 06:06AM

lugha wrote: »

It's kinda about language isn't it? Foreigners are folk who don't speak English as a first language.

u dumb ****in brits. i tell you mainland europeans hate your islands, we actually think you are hilarious. im half irish but i hate your country. lmao. no wonder my parents left lol.

IRELAND IS NEVER EUROPEAN YOU JUST ENGLANDS ****.

DUMB BRITS, **** OFF. GO SUCK DICK WITH YOUR ANGLO SAXON FRIENDS(ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA, USA, AUSTRALIA)

but always remember irish these countries don't give a **** about you, no more than any of us mainland people do.

IRELAND=WORST NATION IN WORLD. oh **** nation, well in real its just a part of united kingdom.

Micilin Muc · 27-12-2009 06:22AM

Confab wrote: »

Thread title fail tbh. Asking if UKians are foreigners is like asking if French people are German.

Thread title bash fail tbh. Asking if UKians are foreigners is like asking if French people are from France.

Rabies · 27-12-2009 06:30AM

belge boy wrote: »

u dumb ****in brits. i tell you mainland europeans hate your islands, we actually think you are hilarious. im half irish but i hate your country. lmao. no wonder my parents left lol.

IRELAND IS NEVER EUROPEAN YOU JUST ENGLANDS ****.

DUMB BRITS, **** OFF. GO SUCK DICK WITH YOUR ANGLO SAXON FRIENDS(ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA, USA, AUSTRALIA)

but always remember irish these countries don't give a **** about you, no more than any of us mainland people do.

IRELAND=WORST NATION IN WORLD. oh **** nation, well in real its just a part of united kingdom.

Banned... banned banned banned...

oh.. banned by the way

m@cc@ · 27-12-2009 10:18AM

belge boy wrote: »

u dumb ****in brits. i tell you mainland europeans hate your islands, we actually think you are hilarious. im half irish but i hate your country. lmao. no wonder my parents left lol.

IRELAND IS NEVER EUROPEAN YOU JUST ENGLANDS ****.

DUMB BRITS, **** OFF. GO SUCK DICK WITH YOUR ANGLO SAXON FRIENDS(ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA, USA, AUSTRALIA)

but always remember irish these countries don't give a **** about you, no more than any of us mainland people do.

IRELAND=WORST NATION IN WORLD. oh **** nation, well in real its just a part of united kingdom.

Yes, but you're Belgian and no one cares what Belgians think about anything.

jahalpin · 27-12-2009 11:21AM

I would only count someone from outside the British Isles as a "foreigner"

Being from Dublin, I'd probably have more in common with someone from Surrey (England) , than with someone from the " Peoples Republic of Cork", but yet we wouldn't class people from Cork as "foreigners"

lugha · 27-12-2009 11:24AM

belge boy wrote: »

u dumb ****in brits. i tell you mainland europeans hate your islands, we actually think ....yak yak yak yak

Ah. Shame you had to leave. You brought mulch to our discussion.

El Siglo · 27-12-2009 12:58PM

Well if you consider British people foreign, then you might as well consider Pearse, Plunkett, Connolly, Collins et al. foreign as well. Sure they were British too!;) I don't think I'd consider them foreign, mainly because we've an equal travel area and equal citizenship when we go there and they come here. I doubt also, you'd call people from the North foreigners in any case, I don't think they'd appreciate it!:D

El Siglo · 27-12-2009 01:01PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Yes, but you're Belgian and no one cares what Belgians think about anything.

Belgium you say...
FYP:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi901VIHBzs

Capt'n Midnight · 27-12-2009 02:20PM

Yes they are foreigners, but get a couple of pints in to them and they're grand.

Dave! · 27-12-2009 02:57PM

wtf?

bluto63 · 27-12-2009 03:21PM

They treat me as a foreigner living over there, when I applied for a bank account, when it comes to paying university fees, so they're foreigners to me when they're here. Culturally there is very little difference though, but more than people seem to think

McArmalite · 27-12-2009 03:32PM

lugha wrote: »

You're kidding! :eek: Language and sport only? How about music, food, celebrities, TV programs, pretty much any aspect of popular culture you can think of. We're like chalk and more chalk.

Who, us and America ? Since pretty much any aspect of popular culture you can think of food, celebrities, TV programs often has it's origins there - with the brits just watching/copying them like us ?

dsmythy · 27-12-2009 04:11PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Yes, but you're Belgian and no one cares what Belgians think about anything.

Also it's not a real country anyway.

walshb · 27-12-2009 04:16PM

Strictly speaking, they are foreigners, but because Ireland and Britain have such history and ties and connections, I think they are different that say a Russian or a German or an African...

dlofnep · 27-12-2009 04:40PM

belge boy wrote: »

u dumb ****in brits. i tell you mainland europeans hate your islands, we actually think you are hilarious. im half irish but i hate your country. lmao. no wonder my parents left lol.

IRELAND IS NEVER EUROPEAN YOU JUST ENGLANDS ****.

DUMB BRITS, **** OFF. GO SUCK DICK WITH YOUR ANGLO SAXON FRIENDS(ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA, USA, AUSTRALIA)

but always remember irish these countries don't give a **** about you, no more than any of us mainland people do.

IRELAND=WORST NATION IN WORLD. oh **** nation, well in real its just a part of united kingdom.

Ladies and gentlemen, if your child ever turns out like this - sell them on the black market and use the €4.27 to buy yourself 5 minutes of happiness that this creature could never give you.

lugha · 27-12-2009 05:02PM

McArmalite wrote: »

Who, us and America ? Since pretty much any aspect of popular culture you can think of food, celebrities, TV programs often has it's origins there - with the brits just watching/copying them like us ?

Same difference. Whether we get our stuff from the US directly or via GB we end up having a sizable cultural overlap. And we do import a lot of stuff which originates in GB, TV (not as much as from the US, granted), sport and music (more than the US in both cases).

OutlawPete · 27-12-2009 05:25PM

lugha wrote: »

Ah. Shame you had to leave. You brought mulch to our discussion.

Yeah, but he spilled alcopops all over the rug .. :rolleyes:

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