Buddhist monk wants to go to Christian Hell

lmaopml · 18-12-2009 11:46PM

If the Buddhist monk wants to go to Christian Hell, cause he thinks he can be a 'saviour' for those in 'hell' well he's just a little too late......we already had one...namely 'Jesus Christ', who didn't gloss over the reality of hell, which is a seperation from God..but like anybody who cares for people told them what they 'must' become in order to live among goodness.....doing the opposit is our own choice.

Anybody therein will already have been given 'every' chance, and will still have rejected God, and the Buddhist monk will find himself amongst those who really don't want him or love his presence...

Xluna · 18-12-2009 11:54PM

lmaopml wrote: »

If the Buddhist monk wants to go to Christian Hell, cause he thinks he can be a 'saviour' for those in 'hell' well he's just a little too late......we already had one...namely 'Jesus Christ', who didn't gloss over the reality of hell, which is a seperation from God..but like anybody who cares for people told them what they 'must' become in order to live among goodness.....doing the opposit is our own choice.

Anybody therein will already have been given 'every' chance, and will still have rejected God, and the Buddhist monk will find himself amongst those who really don't want him or love his presence...

I can't understand that rationale. Here we have a monk, a man who,we assume, has lived a very good life. His chances of being a Christian were much less than yours as you grew up in different countries,where different religions are thought as true to kids. Because of this, he will rot in hell for eternity because he worshipped the wrong God. What God would do that, except a narcissitic and sadistic sociopath?

PDN · 18-12-2009 11:59PM

Xluna wrote: »

I can't understand that rationale. Here we have a monk, a man who,we assume, has lived a very good life. His chances of being a Christian were much less than yours as you grew up in different countries,where different religions are thought as true to kids. Because of this, he will rot in hell for eternity because he worshipped the wrong God. What God would do that, except a narcissitic and sadistic sociopath?

No, that is not what Christianity teaches. If he chooses to reject the Gospel then he will go to hell because of the sins he has committed, having knowingly rejected the offer of forgiveness for those sins.

lmaopml · 19-12-2009 12:00AM

Xluna wrote: »

I can't understand that rationale. Here we have a monk, a man who,we assume, has lived a very good life. His chances of being a Christian were much less than yours as you grew up in different countries,where different religions are thought as true to kids. Because of this, he will rot in hell for eternity because he worshipped the wrong God. What God would do that, except a narcissitic and sadistic sociopath?

Your assumption is wrong Xluna. The Buddhist monk will have met 'truth' according to my faith, and will undoubtedly in the face of 'truth' change his mind about playing saviour.....and God loves those who love humanity....and he knows everything..

We already have one....our 'saviour' and the meeting is inevitable..

Soul Winner · 19-12-2009 12:10AM

What if the folks in hell didn't believe in the monk? :rolleyes:

chozometroid · 19-12-2009 12:12AM

Panrich wrote: »

OK. I postulated that an eternal hell is the product of a vengeful god.

You countered by saying

People are there, not for God to get revenge, but a place for God to honour the wishes of those who want nothing to do with Him.

This is to say that people are placed in hell because they chose the path to hell through their actions in life. From all christian teachings, hell is not a very nice place to reside in. I am sure that some sinners once they are there will be repentant and wish that they could change their mind as the conventional teaching is that the separation from god is unbearable. Either that or sinners are happy in hell in which case there is no advantage to following your god in the first place. Yet once the judgement day has passed the ship has sailed and no amount of remorse will get the sinner back to heaven. On what basis can a just god deny repentant sinners. I say that only a vengeful god could act in this manner and your reply has not argued against that.

This is one of the reasons I feel confident that hell is not eternal torture, but simply eternal destruction.
To add something to your point, as opposed to the "sinners" feeling remorse and repentant, some actually say they will hate God even more, and there will be no turning back. I would agree to this, even if they did feel remorse at first. They will be enemies of God forever when they realize there is no escape.
I can't imagine God creating a place where hatred for Him will grow. Also, the idea that it's a location where everyone will be there "together" makes no sense. Heaven is one thing. We will be alive together with fellow brothers and sisters who love God. For those not going to heaven, what reason is there to put them together? Greater efficiency? Added emotional torment? If you saw Satan suffering in pain, would it impact you in any meaningful way? Your sin causes eternal separation from God. This means you no longer have access to His Spirit. Your physical and spiritual are both dead. "The wages of sin is death."
I believe the fires of hell may have some duration in serving justice, but the bodies will be consumed eventually. Justice executed through destruction is a common portrayal throughout the Bible. Permanent death with result, hence, the second death.

Soul Winner · 19-12-2009 12:29AM

chozometroid wrote: »

This is one of the reasons I feel confident that hell is not eternal torture, but simply eternal destruction.

I'd say if you asked anyone who was being eternally destroyed how good it felt, after a few millennia my bet is that they wouldn't think it was anything like stretching our on a hot day by the pool with your cocktail bar staff at your beck and call whenever the thirst pangs start to kick in.

chozometroid · 19-12-2009 01:05AM

Soul Winner wrote: »

I'd say if you asked anyone who was being eternally destroyed how good it felt, after a few millennia my bet is that they wouldn't think it was anything like stretching our on a hot day by the pool with your cocktail bar staff at your beck and call whenever the thirst pangs start to kick in.

I said "eternal destruction," not "eternally in the process of destruction."

clartharlear · 19-12-2009 01:28AM

monosharp wrote: »

You have a man who has dedicated his life to enlightenment and easing pain and suffering. His first thought when he hears about 'hell' is that he wants to help ease the pain and suffering there.

This monk, good a man and scholar as he must be, will have heard plenty about many different hells before he heard about the Christian hell. He is noble, without doubt, but he is not original; there are Buddhist writings about people easing the sufferings of those in Buddhist hell.

monosharp · 19-12-2009 08:52AM

lmaopml wrote: »

If the Buddhist monk wants to go to Christian Hell, cause he thinks he can be a 'saviour' for those in 'hell' well he's just a little too late......we already had one...namely 'Jesus Christ',

Oh how little you understand them. He doesn't want to go to hell to be a 'saviour', he wants to go to hell to help relieve suffering.

I'm pretty sure that some Christian missionaries who go to Africa etc do in fact go out of genuine human compassion and because they genuinely want to help and not because they think they are going to get a gold star on their Jesus report cards.

Many (far from all, but many) Buddhist monks are the same. They have no desire in any way for themselves, they want nothing in return, not even credit. They genuinely just want to help.

who didn't gloss over the reality of hell, which is a seperation from God..but like anybody who cares for people told them what they 'must' become in order to live among goodness.....doing the opposit is our own choice.

Heres the situation.

Most Christians believe most non-Christians are going to hell. Whether they are 'bad' people or not, whether they lived their lives in the service of humanity or not. Simply because they are the wrong religion or no religion they are going to hell.

Now you may consider them 'evil' or whatever simply because they don't accept your God. If you can accept that logically then more power to you. For most people on this planet, we don't accept that.

The monk wants to go and help relieve suffering in a place he sees as containing people of his religion and others because he wants to relieve suffering.

I don't consider myself a 'bad' person, but according to you I have only one destination after I die. I want nothing to do with your God and that won't change after I pass away, and I mean that regardless of his existence or not.

Anybody therein will already have been given 'every' chance, and will still have rejected God, and the Buddhist monk will find himself amongst those who really don't want him or love his presence..

Won't he be going there himself according to you ?

And I will be there (if there is a hell) and I'll want his presence.

monosharp · 19-12-2009 08:55AM

PDN wrote: »

No, that is not what Christianity teaches. If he chooses to reject the Gospel then he will go to hell because of the sins he has committed, having knowingly rejected the offer of forgiveness for those sins.

Pure semantics.

monosharp · 19-12-2009 09:11AM

clartharlear wrote: »

This monk, good a man and scholar as he must be, will have heard plenty about many different hells before he heard about the Christian hell.

Well first of all, what you are talking about is not part of the particular branch of Buddhism this monk was in, so you can scrap that thought right away.

'Hell' is been reborn into an undesirable existence. And some branches of Buddhism don't accept reincarnation at all, never mind been reincarnated into 'hell'.

The Buddhist concept of 'hell' is very very different from the Christian one so no, he would not have heard about many 'hells' before hearing about the Christian hell, especially when the concept of Buddhist 'hell' isn't part of his religion/philosophy

monosharp · 19-12-2009 10:58AM

PDN wrote: »

Without God's grace and transforming power I believe we are all immoral and nasty people who would turn a beautiful garden into some where horrible (and I include myself among that).

You should visit some Buddhist temples, not a sign of Jehovah or companions in sight and they are some of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. And I don't mean just the scenery or decor. I mean the people and their attitudes towards life and each other.

Just watching the way these monks treat other living beings would prove that.

No god required.

Of course I am just using the Buddhist monks as an example, there are of course chriatians/Muslims etc who act the same.

It's taken us a few thousand years, but we've managed to screw up one beautiful planet, and that was with our life spans being restricted to a few short years.

That would be the industrial revolution by predominately christian nations that started screwing up our once beautiful planet ?

I love the attitudes of some of the christian right wings in the US. I believe it was Glenn Beck who said 'Use all the oil, use all the coal, because the rapture is coming.' (Open to correction on exact wording).

Xluna · 19-12-2009 10:59AM

PDN wrote: »

No, that is not what Christianity teaches. If he chooses to reject the Gospel then he will go to hell because of the sins he has committed, having knowingly rejected the offer of forgiveness for those sins.

But he did'nt know the offer was real, as there is the same evidence for Christianity being true as Buddhism being true. And anyway, is'nt God omnipotent? He need not follow beurocracy and could save the good monk anyway?

MessangerofGod · 07-03-2012 08:11AM

I have come across a testimony from a former buddist monk. I will copy and paste the testimony and also share the link. Please tell me what you think after you havw read this. Hope this helps you. The link is: http://my.opera.com/thelordjesusiscomingsoon/blog/testimony-of-a-buddhist-monk-died-when-to-hell-came-back-to-life-to-knew-there-i

homer911 · 07-03-2012 09:53AM

MessangerofGod wrote: »

Please read my post!

No.

Life is too short and your post is too long..

Doc Farrell · 07-03-2012 10:02AM

As if Buddhists in Burma haven't suffered enough.

From an academic point of view this wikipedia collection is quite interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_Hell

Andrewf20 · 08-03-2012 02:51PM

PDN wrote: »

No, that is not what Christianity teaches. If he chooses to reject the Gospel then he will go to hell because of the sins he has committed, having knowingly rejected the offer of forgiveness for those sins.

I dont see this as a moral or forgiving God and I reckon this is why alot of people look at the bible with a raised eyebrow. Whats so special about belief. Its as if a persons life long good deeds and charitable & ethical nature mean nothing unless they believe in this Gospel. I dont think belief is really a choice either.

Plowman · 08-03-2012 03:27PM

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Buddhist monk wants to go to Christian Hell

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