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All Estate Names to be in Irish

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    I can't figure out who i hate more, iriih language heads or religious heads :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    I can't figure out who i hate more, iriih language heads or religious heads :confused:

    I'm sure they'll both be devastated. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,937 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    How about a poll?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/19686

    Irish worth €136 million to Galway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I can't figure out who i hate more, iriih language heads or religious heads :confused:

    We're all severely saddened by your decision. `


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Louisc


    I can't figure out who i hate more, iriih language heads or religious heads :confused:

    I honestly think Irish language people and religious heads are often the same people. I haven't any research on this though.


    The Irish language is the first language of 0.000006% of the worlds population, i.e. 30'000 divided by 6 billion.

    That's one in every 200'000 people on the globe.
    And every single gaelgoir can also speak english.

    There are more people on the planet with 2 heads than native Irish speakers.

    I spent 13 years having Irish taught to me at school, and in the 10 years since I left school, I haven't used a single word of it. That's not funny.
    Not only that, but in the 10 years since I left school, I never heard someone speaking Irish in public, not a single time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    peabutler wrote: »
    There is no country without a language

    Do the Austrians know this ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Do the Austrians know this ?
    Do the americans know that????



























    Oh wait.... They speak American (According to some)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Louisc wrote: »
    I honestly think Irish language people and religious heads are often the same people. I haven't any research on this though.


    The Irish language is the first language of 0.000006% of the worlds population, i.e. 30'000 divided by 6 billion.

    That's one in ever 200'000 people on the globe.
    And every single gaelgoir can also speak english.

    There are more people on the planet with 2 heads than native Irish speakers.

    I spent 13 years having Irish taught to me at school, and in the 10 years since I left school, I haven't used a single word of it. That's not funny.
    Not only that, but in the 10 years since I left school, I never heard someone speaking Irish in public, not a single time.

    Well, considering the education given to you is dreadful and leaves the majority of the people with an inability to speak Irish - that might account for your lack of hearing it.

    If the educational process was completely revamped and taught like other European languages - you would hear it alot more in society.

    You seem to think that a minority language is unique to Ireland. It is not. Wales has Welsh, Scotland has Scottish Gaelic, The Isle of Man has manx. Switzerland has 4 languages.

    The reality is - Irish is unique to Ireland. It is a distinct part of our culture. And while it hasn't been the majority language in Ireland for about 150 years - it doesn't stop it from being a unique aspect of our culture, something deeply rooted in our country for a thousand years.

    The Irish language will always be constitutionally protected, and with that in mind - I'd rather invest time into helping it, rather than shunning it. I posted a previous article which stated that Irish contributes €136 million anually to the Galway economy, and supports 5,000 jobs. It's not all take.

    You've already made your mind up, and you are entitled to it. But the Irish language is only going to get stronger, and it will become a relevant part of society within the next 25 years outside of the Gaeltachtaí.

    And given that Irish is constitutionally an official language - it's time to start putting that into practice and making it more relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Louisc wrote: »
    I honestly think Irish language people and religious heads are often the same people. I haven't any research on this though.


    The Irish language is the first language of 0.000006% of the worlds population, i.e. 30'000 divided by 6 billion.

    That's one in every 200'000 people on the globe.
    And every single gaelgoir can also speak english.

    There are more people on the planet with 2 heads than native Irish speakers.

    I spent 13 years having Irish taught to me at school, and in the 10 years since I left school, I haven't used a single word of it. That's not funny.
    Not only that, but in the 10 years since I left school, I never heard someone speaking Irish in public, not a single time.

    I was on holiday in Spain a few years back and heard some drunk guy trying teach a bouncer how to say "i fook my dog" in Irish, so it's not as if people don't use Irish outside of school


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Well, considering the education given to you is dreadful and leaves the majority of the people with an inability to speak Irish - that might account for your lack of hearing it.

    If the educational process was completely revamped and taught like other European languages - you would hear it alot more in society.

    You seem to think that a minority language is unique to Ireland. It is not. Wales has Welsh, Scotland has Scottish Gaelic, The Isle of Man has manx. Switzerland has 4 languages.

    The reality is - Irish is unique to Ireland. It is a distinct part of our culture. And while it hasn't been the majority language in Ireland for about 150 years - it doesn't stop it from being a unique aspect of our culture, something deeply rooted in our country for a thousand years.

    The Irish language will always be constitutionally protected, and with that in mind - I'd rather invest time into helping it, rather than shunning it. I posted a previous article which stated that Irish contributes €136 million anually to the Galway economy, and supports 5,000 jobs. It's not all take.

    You've already made your mind up, and you are entitled to it. But the Irish language is only going to get stronger, and it will become a relevant part of society within the next 25 years outside of the Gaeltachtaí.

    And given that Irish is constitutionally an official language - it's time to start putting that into practice and making it more relevant.

    I bet you like ramps as well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Louisc wrote: »
    I honestly think Irish language people and religious heads are often the same people. I haven't any research on this though.


    The Irish language is the first language of 0.000006% of the worlds population, i.e. 30'000 divided by 6 billion.

    That's one in every 200'000 people on the globe.
    And every single gaelgoir can also speak english.

    There are more people on the planet with 2 heads than native Irish speakers.

    I spent 13 years having Irish taught to me at school, and in the 10 years since I left school, I haven't used a single word of it. That's not funny.
    Not only that, but in the 10 years since I left school, I never heard someone speaking Irish in public, not a single time.

    so you managed to figure out irish speakers are a minority, do you belittle all minorities as meaningless or just our own?, because thats not discriminatory at all :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Louisc wrote: »
    I honestly think Irish language people and religious heads are often the same people. I haven't any research on this though.


    The Irish language is the first language of 0.000006% of the worlds population, i.e. 30'000 divided by 6 billion.

    That's one in every 200'000 people on the globe.
    And every single gaelgoir can also speak english.

    There are more people on the planet with 2 heads than native Irish speakers.

    I spent 13 years having Irish taught to me at school, and in the 10 years since I left school, I haven't used a single word of it. That's not funny.
    Not only that, but in the 10 years since I left school, I never heard someone speaking Irish in public, not a single time.

    stop exaggerating because that is pure bullshit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    In fact, English names very much are imposed and no more so than in the names given to estates across Ireland, but particularly in Dublin. There is no democratic accountability in those names; they are bastardising everywhere from Carrickmines to Donabate.

    Its not forced, could you not build your own estate and put an Irish name on it? Was that outlawed? I didn't hear about it.

    Democratic accountability? Most people speak English as their first language on the island. An undisputed fact. Most people would say to have names in the language spoken by the majority in the state is the most logical approach.

    Not someone who is illogically in love with a language that isn't dying according to them but should be forced on people and get funding to support it so it doesn't die depending on the topic.
    What, pray tell, is the connection between these placenames and the Windsors, Canterbury, Cambridge and many, many other places in England? Or, is everything imposed by the English "natural"?

    To "force"? But it's absolutely fine to force them to write egomaniac British nationalist names like Royal Avenue, York Road, George's Street and all the rest? This all-pervading British royalist cult in 21st century Dublin is "acceptable"?

    Or is the line now that these 19th and 20th century imposed neologisms are "part of our history", unlike Irish it seems.

    You've clearly lost the plot IMO. Nobody forces anyone to write English names. Write it in Irish if you like but don't blame me when the postman doesn't deliver it. I'm not arguing they are part of history because I don't give a crap what they used to be called be it in Irish or English but it is what they are commonly known as today in modern Ireland so changing them is stupid. Stupid as walking off a cliff to see what it feels like IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭DJP


    I have some experience of this topic having been a member of Gael-Taca, their representative in Dublin 15, and having once raised the question of Irish names for new residential developments in the main local papers in North-West Dublin and also having made a presentation to a Dublin City Council committee in 2006 along with Padraig O' Cuanachain their Marketing Director who died last year suggesting that the Galway City/Shannon all-Irish policies be in the capital city. Padraig gave the verbal presentation and I put together the above Powerpoint presentation.

    I agree with the spirit of this proposed policy. HOWEVER tactically as in the real world I don't agree with it. Maybe if things go well in e.g ten years the policy would be more acceptable. Now though it isn't.

    There are too many problems with how Irish is promoted- e.g it being compulsory for the Leaving Cert; unnecessary translation of many annual reports; dead Irish language movement (bar perhaps three places in the state) on the ground; the pay of translators; non-existence of annual marketing campaigns in the media (excluding the cultural week Seachtain na Gaeilge) et al. for this policy to be generally acceptable now. AND there are too many people with undealt with scars from literally having Irish beaten into them for the policy to be generally acceptable, now. I admit that most of the latters are just nuts, but still these people exist particularly in disadvantaged areas. If you agree with the proposed policy and you don't have to deal with them then that is O.K for you but I know some of these people and most of them if not all of them are NUTS. You won't convince them of the all-Irish policy approach, now.

    I think that TACTICALLY a bilingual policy for both national languages, with names solely in Irish still being welcomed if a developer wants to name their areas like so, should come into the city. I mean bilingual in terms of equal prominence for both languages on the entrance pillars to the new developments. It is an appalling legacy of the Bertie Ahern era that most of our residential areas built in the last ten years are named solely in English, albeit with a paltry Irish translation on the road signs, typed smaller in Irish.

    Finally I did an e-project on the development(s) of Irish names for new residential areas across the state a while back. You may like to have a look at it. Also on the right hand side of my blog is a section "Iar-Obair le Gael-Taca i mBaile Atha Cliath" i.e. Previous work with Gael-Taca in Dublin.

    Part of the solution- an important part- in helping to create the circumstances of na teanga to grow radically in Ireland is for there to be Irish language activists on the ground. I suggest that the workers in the Irish language bodies in favour of this proposed policy start to take an interest in promoting the language in their own areas outside of their 9-5 jobs. It would be very helpful in terms of promoting the language.

    I am happy to share my views and experience of promoting the Irish language with anyone interested.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    rabble rabble - thóg siad ár bpostanna...

    is boards.ie really hosted in the uk?


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rabble rabble - thóg siad ár bpostanna...

    is boards.ie really hosted in the uk?

    I don't think so, The servers used to be in North Dublin, now I believe they are in West Dublin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    rabble rabble - thóg siad ár bpostanna...

    is boards.ie really hosted in the uk?

    No its not hosted in the UK, were you confused because the majority of people on the site (the majority being Irish) post in the English language?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 gleannuirce


    Perhaps they were confused because on boards.ie you can be banned for having the cheek to post in the irish language.

    Not for being rowdy or abusive or going off-topic or anything like that.

    No, and i have it from the boards.ie site owner Tom Dunne himself,

    just for posting in the Irish language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,937 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Rabble rabble rabble :D.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 gleannuirce


    kowloon wrote: »
    Rabble rabble rabble :D.

    His Master's Voice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Perhaps they were confused because on boards.ie you can be banned for having the cheek to post in the irish language.

    Not for being rowdy or abusive or going off-topic or anything like that.

    No, and i have it from the boards.ie site owner Tom Dunne himself,

    just for posting in the Irish language.

    No you can post in Irish, just use the Irish language forum.

    Not much point posting in Irish elsewhere given most people wouldn't be able to understand what you said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭30txsbzmcu2k9w


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    idiot idiot idiot.

    ban ban ban.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    ban ban ban.

    Still feeling humiliated over your earlier exposed bigotry and, let us just politely say, below standard educational level as shown in this, I gather: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63362087&postcount=189


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    Still feeling humiliated over your earlier exposed bigotry and, let us just politely say, below standard educational level as shown in this, I gather: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63362087&postcount=189


    Banned for personal abuse and trolling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    ban ban ban.

    And don't come out with crap like that, use the Report button.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    to be fair drinkmilkkids, you havent really had a leg to stand on in this thread since that absolutely ridiculous post. i feel for rebelheart, you drove him to it with such nonsensical posts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    darkman2 wrote: »
    It's already happened in Galway. Now it's coming in in Dublin apparently.[/url]
    So when it hits Dublin suddenly it's national news on AH? It's been in effect outside Dublin for years and no-one complained until it hit the Pale.
    Dubs, take this chance to learn your own language.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭30txsbzmcu2k9w


    aDeener wrote: »
    to be fair drinkmilkkids, you havent really had a leg to stand on in this thread since that absolutely ridiculous post. i feel for rebelheart, you drove him to it with such nonsensical posts

    that post is ridiculous because he's conveniently left out why i felt it that way..twice:rolleyes: and rolled a bunch of posts together backwards. The Irish language, which is dead/on a life support machine, and can not survive or develop without conforming to a language which 4 million people already speak here - English.
    Now DCC are trying to shoehorn Irish into my vocabulary and i don't particulary want it. It's contrived.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    that post is ridiculous because he's conveniently left out why i felt it that way..twice:rolleyes: and rolled a bunch of posts together backwards. The Irish language, which is dead/on a life support machine, and can not survive or develop without conforming to a language which 4 million people already speak here - English.
    Now DCC are trying to shoehorn Irish into my vocabulary and i don't particulary want it. It's contrived.

    it was pretty clear what you were saying, then you back tracked when you were called up on it. could you not just accept that you were wrong and use other arguments to back up your opinion? :rolleyes: claiming irish is useless as it is bastardised, whilst at the same time ignoring the fact that all languages are like that. and irony of ironies the one we are all typing in is the most bastardised of the lot


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