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Man locked up for no dog licence

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  • #2
    meditraitor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    There is another thread about this

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055764193


  • #3
    Gone Drinking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    They should have just fcuked his dog while he watched.. that'll learn him

    Why do i post this stuff?!


  • #4
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    woof justice


  • #5
    Nichololas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Nichololas


    wilson10 wrote: »
    Ok, I believe that the law must be enforced but I think that this is an absolute disgrace. The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.[/URL]

    They're barking mad, is what they are. <:mad:>


  • #6
    I_luv_2_ski!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭I_luv_2_ski!


    god love the poor fella!!! dont you only get asked for a dog lisence if your dog attacks some one???

    and in these recessionary times they spent a huge amount of the tax payers money for a payment of €12.70....thats something to be really annoyed about!!!!!


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  • #7
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    These are the type of offenders we need the Death Penalty for.


  • #8
    orourkeda
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    The simple solution is to buy a dog licence


  • #9
    orourkeda
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    These are the type of offenders we need the Death Penalty for.

    The strange thing is some people are serious when they seek the death penalty for these offences


  • #10
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    orourkeda wrote: »
    The strange thing is some people are serious when they seek the death penalty for these offences

    Yeah, I am, he owns a fcuking Shih tzu, he shouldn't be allowed live! :P

    But seriously, Overcrowding in Prison's, I know violent offenders that get released on a regular basis because of this, yet he was imprisoned.

    He is a twat for paying though, if he hadn't paid he would probably have been released the next day!! He would have gotten TR and been told to report back in a few weeks by which time he would be just released. (Most likely anyway)


  • #11
    SoWatchaWant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭SoWatchaWant


    Yadda yadda, picture of kind-looking man with puppy, blah blah, had to pay for major heart surgery, legal separation from wife, blah, blah...

    So what, we should just let people not pay stuff? Alright they should have reminded him, if they didn't already. but hey, what d'you expect?


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  • #12
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    bet he'll pay it next time.

    Huzzah, The system works!


  • #13
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Thats a disgrace especially after seeing the Prime Time Investigates where all the scumbag knacker social welfare frauding b@stards just get a slap on the wrist for defrauding the state of millions.


  • #14
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Hmm I am sure he will paws next time he decides not to pay a fine.

    Although I agree the judge should have let him go walkies.


  • #15
    hobochris
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    Surely community service would be a more fitting sentence for such a case.


  • #16
    AnonoBoy
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    The judge should have said 'neigh' when asked to impose a custodial sentence.




    Ah god damn it. :mad:


  • #17
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Gone Drinking wrote: »
    They should have just fcuked his dog while he watched.. that'll learn him

    Why do i post this stuff?!

    Dogging, quite literally.


  • #18
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Jumpy wrote: »
    Hmm I am sure he will paws next time he decides not to pay a fine.

    Although I agree the judge should have let him go walkies.

    They'll hound him until he does.


  • #19
    mikom
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    DonJose wrote: »
    Thats a disgrace especially after seeing the Prime Time Investigates where all the scumbag knacker social welfare frauding b@stards just get a slap on the wrist for defrauding the state of millions.

    Took the words right out of my mouth DonJose.
    Looks like they are starting zero tolerance from the ground up, but it will never get past doggies in this country.

    Shur a dog is truly a man's best friend.
    If you don't believe it, just try this experiment.
    Lock your dog and a social welfare fraudster in the boot of the car for an hour.
    When you open the boot, which one is really happy to see you?


  • #20
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    wilson10 wrote: »
    Ok, I believe that the law must be enforced but I think that this is an absolute disgrace. The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.



    http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/dundalknews/Dundalk-man-still-shocked-after.5895993.jp

    In fairness he wasn't locked up for not having a dog license, in much the same way as no-one gets locked up for not having a TV License.

    You get locked up acting the eejit with the court, either not turning up, not explaining yourself properly in front of a judge, or not making some effort to pay the fine, even in installments.

    But 'Man locked up with murderers for not having dog license' or 'Mother of 5 locked up for not having TV License' are much better newspaper headline.
    Shame so many people fall for it.


  • #21
    Mossy Monk
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    wilson10 wrote: »
    The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.[/URL]

    Yeah, screw them pigs for doing their jobs.

    It is terrible that you can be put in prison for something like not having a dog license but to blame the Gardaí?


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  • #22
    wilson10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭wilson10


    SoWatchaWant wrote: »
    Yadda yadda, picture of kind-looking man with puppy, blah blah, had to pay for major heart surgery, legal separation from wife, blah, blah...

    So what, we should just let people not pay stuff? Alright they should have reminded him, if they didn't already. but hey, what d'you expect?


    Yeah, right guard.


  • #23
    the_dark_side
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    €11m in payouts for 55 victims of Donegal garda corruption

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/836411m-in-payouts-for-55-victims-of-donegal-garda-corruption-1456282.html

    I am not anti Gardai, but I do see a gapping divide between what joe public is prosecuted for in Ireland, compared to what officials in state departments can get away with... and by that I mean departments accross the board. see link (no members of the Gardai served any time for any of these acts of persecution and corruption)


  • #24
    orourkeda
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    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Yeah, screw them pigs for doing their jobs.

    It is terrible that you can be put in prison for something like not having a dog license but to blame the Gardaí?

    The gardai cant win. The next time some skanger gets off on a technicality they'll get blamed for this too.


  • #25
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    the_dark_side wrote: »
    €11m in payouts for 55 victims of Donegal garda corruption

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/836411m-in-payouts-for-55-victims-of-donegal-garda-corruption-1456282.html

    I am not anti Gardai, but I do see a gapping divide between what joe public is prosecuted for in Ireland, compared to what officials in state departments can get away with... and by that I mean departments accross the board. see link (no members of the Gardai served any time for any of these acts of persecution and corruption)

    I would say that there are very few if any police forces that have not abused their position to some degree. This doesnt just apply to the gardai


  • #26
    wilson10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭wilson10


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness he wasn't locked up for not having a dog license, in much the same way as no-one gets locked up for not having a TV License.

    You get locked up acting the eejit with the court, either not turning up, not explaining yourself properly in front of a judge, or not making some effort to pay the fine, even in installments.

    But 'Man locked up with murderers for not having dog license' or 'Mother of 5 locked up for not having TV License' are much better newspaper headline.
    Shame so many people fall for it.


    There was a genuine problem with the post in his estate. He even has a letter of apology from an post (don't know how they got it to him though).

    This was the first visit he got concerning the matter.

    Don't you think the guards could have had enough compassion to give him a couple of days to pay the fine, remember this was Saturday.

    Come to think of it, were they being paid overtime to take him all the way to the Joy. Don't they have any real policing to do in Dundalk any more


  • #27
    TobyZiegler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭TobyZiegler


    The only reason this is harsh is because the man wasnt receiving his post and I genuinely feel sorry for him. Perhaps its An Post everybody should be giving out about.

    Otherwise he wasnt sentenced to jail for not paying €12.70 he was sentenced for not heeding warnings, not turning up in court and not paying the fine.

    So sensationalist Joe Duffy shyte about him going to jail for not paying for a dog license is ridiculous.


  • #28
    Kipperhell
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    wilson10 wrote: »
    Ok, I believe that the law must be enforced but I think that this is an absolute disgrace. The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.

    That has got to be one of the most ridiculous notions I ever heard.
    the_dark_side wrote: »
    I am not anti Gardai, but I do see a gapping divide between what joe public is prosecuted for in Ireland, compared to what officials in state departments can get away with... and by that I mean departments accross the board. see link (no members of the Gardai served any time for any of these acts of persecution and corruption)
    The problem is the actual evidence and prosecution of such complex issues is very difficult to prove. It isn't theft or criminal to do your job badly generally a fault in the system. It is hard to even name one state employee who is perceived as doing wrong who actually did anything criminal.

    Man gets churned in the system due to failings of the post office is what happened here. I'd rather see that then every possible excuse being used.

    The thing to note here is the guy was aware of the fine after an apparent mail malfunction, couldn't afford the fine and then went to jail. There is no mention of him trying to do anything about the fine once he found out about it. That seems strange that the judge would sentence him for 20 days if he could prove the issue with the mail. Sounds like somebody is not telling the whole truth. I would suspect he is lying or acted incredibly stupid.


  • #29
    ScumLord
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness he wasn't locked up for not having a dog license, in much the same way as no-one gets locked up for not having a TV License.
    Essentially that's what's happening though, just because they introduce another step in the process so technically it's the courts your upsetting and not some silly dog license law doesn't mean it's not the fact you don't have a license that's getting you locked up.

    This does show how inadequate the justice system is at dealing with cases on an individual basis. The justice system turns smart people into simple cogs in a system. It's not any person thats in charge it's a book on a shelf somewhere that convicts you.


  • #30
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    wilson10 wrote: »
    There was a genuine problem with the post in his estate. He even has a letter of apology from an post (don't know how they got it to him though).

    This was the first visit he got concerning the matter.

    Don't you think the guards could have had enough compassion to give him a couple of days to pay the fine, remember this was Saturday.

    Come to think of it, were they being paid overtime to take him all the way to the Joy. Don't they have any real policing to do in Dundalk any more

    The guards may have hated what they were doing (I doubt they took any pleasure in it anyway).
    But they can't show any compassion, they have little or no leeway once the courts have made a decision. Rightly or wrongly its the nature of the system we have and if a court told a gardai to do something and he didn't then he can easily find himself getting lambasted by that judge.

    I actually think there is a hole in this story somewhere. The 'letter from An Post' should have been enough for the judge to slow the process down, give him more time to pay the initial license fee. Is it possilble that he still didn't co-operate even after this?


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  • #31
    Motley Crue
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    Wow, insane, I think the stupidity of the system that sent him to Jail alongside the rapists and the murderers needs to be questioned


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