All Estate Names to be in Irish

getz · 07-12-2009 10:26AM

celticbest wrote: »

If while living in éire you have a problem with people using Irish then you should leave the country. The only reason all people on this island don't speak our native language is because a foreign language was forced upon us.

The more we use our native language the better even if it's only for place names.

do you know the language history of ireland ?the first known language in ireland was primitive irish,then came old irish,then came middle irish,not the irish as you know it,so in a way the irish of to-day is not the original language of ireland,only the irish language is compulsory in irish schools[not english] a lot of money is being spent on teaching a language that 70% of people cannot speak or never use, the welsh have more success in teaching their own language,

07-12-2009 10:42AM

Bonito wrote: »

what's the deal with every single road being labeled now? Yano the new ones all starting with a L

for example L1234

Who is Yano?

celticbest · 07-12-2009 10:43AM

getz wrote: »

do you know the language history of ireland ?the first known language in ireland was primitive irish,then came old irish,then came middle irish,not the irish as you know it,so in a way the irish of to-day is not the original language of ireland,only the irish language is compulsory in irish schools[not english] a lot of money is being spent on teaching a language that 70% of people cannot speak or never use, the welsh have more success in teaching their own language,

The same can be said for most languages I would suspect.

We don't all speak like Shakespeare now so even English has changed over the years. The more a language is used in everyday use the more people get used to using it and then makes it easier for the next generation to learn.

Bonito · 07-12-2009 10:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is Yano?

yano = abbreviation of you know.....

fatboypee · 07-12-2009 10:44AM

getz wrote: »

.... a lot of money is being spent on teaching a language that 70% of people cannot speak or never use, the welsh have more success in teaching their own language,

Absolutely bang on the money there !

My view on this is to teach Irish in a Historical, Cultural, Heritage-Rich and Identifying way and ONLY up until Junior Cert compulsorily and not beat the heads of kids who have no use, or interest in learning a subject (as it is a subject for them) they will not have need or use for, merely to keep alive (desperately) something that the modern culture of this country has seen fit to generally discard ?

I for one would much rather see my children learn a language spoken across Europe actively, or moreover, learn a language that gives them opportunities.

FBP.

getz · 07-12-2009 10:48AM

it wont give many people much hope when you read the likes of this,MAYO county council has agreed to correct a rash of incorectly spelt irish place names on road signes,33 place names across the county which were incorectly spelt and noted, that the gaeltacht status of three areas could be at risk as a result.

07-12-2009 10:49AM

Bonito wrote: »

yano = abbreviation of you know.....

Not in my book it aint!

getz · 07-12-2009 10:58AM

fatboypee wrote: »

Absolutely bang on the money there !

My view on this is to teach Irish in a Historical, Cultural, Heritage-Rich and Identifying way and ONLY up until Junior Cert compulsorily and not beat the heads of kids who have no use, or interest in learning a subject (as it is a subject for them) they will not have need or use for, merely to keep alive (desperately) something that the modern culture of this country has seen fit to generally discard ?

I for one would much rather see my children learn a language spoken across Europe actively, or moreover, learn a language that gives them opportunities.

FBP.

when i was a child [a long time now] there was a educational plan by cheshire county council to force esperanto[international language ] into schools even after four years of banging heads against walls,i still cannot string one sentence together, and i have never met anyone who can speak the language,to learn a language ,you first need to want to. have a pride/culture feel,but most of all have it spoken around you all the time and on the media

AckwelFoley · 07-12-2009 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Quietly remind him that Boston is an English name.

I preferred the "Suck my dick" option :pac:

monkeypants · 07-12-2009 11:05AM

getz wrote: »

esperanto

Remember when that was the next big thing? No point in learning French or Spanish or any of that stuff, we'll all be speaking this common language.

That was back in 1987.

And the results please?

French: Still going strong.
Spanish: Ditto. Probably growing in popularity.
Esperanto: Last seen as a car in Vice City.

Kipperhell · 07-12-2009 11:26AM

monkeypants wrote: »

Remember when that was the next big thing?

That was back in 1987.

That is something like 100 years after it was invented. By all logic if there was a united international view on teaching it it could possibly work out. William Shatner even did a movie in Esperanto. If the right corporation got behind it there could be a spread. Say all the games manufacturers had their characters speak it.

It is a classic example of human interaction and logic not matching

monkeypants · 07-12-2009 11:34AM

I'm not saying that it's not a good idea, but it would need a lot going for it to pass English as an international language. The problem with Esperanto is the same as with Irish; motivation.

Bonito · 07-12-2009 11:37AM

Bit off topic but I believe that the method of teaching Irish is all wrong, if they want us speaking our native tongue maybe they should spend more time teaching it as a language, rather than a subject.

Sheeps · 07-12-2009 11:38AM

I'm glad they're doing this. It might seem like a bad idea at the start, however if it catches on, it catches on. If it doesn't, then too bad. I think it's a bit like the overall attitude people had to the euro when it came in.

getz · 07-12-2009 11:47AM

monkeypants wrote: »

Remember when that was the next big thing? No point in learning French or Spanish or any of that stuff, we'll all be speaking this common language.

That was back in 1987.

And the results please?

French: Still going strong.
Spanish: Ditto. Probably growing in popularity.
Esperanto: Last seen as a car in Vice City.

dident know it was still trying to be pushed in 87,when i had to listen to it was in 54,

kowloon · 07-12-2009 11:47AM

me_right_one wrote: »

No it wouldnt. Thats exactly the point. It should just be called whatever its called now - As Gaeilge. Like Dun na nGall, doon of the foreigners.

How do you put a name with no Irish equivalent as gaeilge?

07-12-2009 11:53AM

kowloon wrote: »

How do you put a name with no Irish equivalent as gaeilge?

Transcribe it!

kowloon · 07-12-2009 12:03PM

It's not the same name anymore then. If I ask a Frenchman his name, I don't refer to him by the Englisah equivalent.

monkeypants · 07-12-2009 12:05PM

I don't think I'd mind as long as my address didn't end up sounding like a particularly nasty illness. Irish is not the best sounding language.

getz · 07-12-2009 12:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Transcribe it!

then that would not be irish, it would be showing contempt to all english speakers in ireland,to force on them somthing they may not want

monkeypants · 07-12-2009 12:31PM

kowloon wrote: »

If I ask a Frenchman his name, I don't refer to him by the Englisah equivalent.

You should, they really appreciate it.

07-12-2009 01:18PM

getz wrote: »

then that would not be irish, it would be showing contempt to all english speakers in ireland,to force on them somthing they may not want

I think about 75% of Irish placenames are already (mis)transcribed from the original Irish, tullamore/ tullach mhor, Athlone/ áth luain are two that spring to mind.

getz · 07-12-2009 01:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think about 75% of Irish placenames are already (mis)transcribed from the original Irish, tullamore/ tullach mhor, Athlone/ áth luain are two that spring to mind.

would that be in primitive irish or old irish ?i have a same irish surname as you and i could not pronounce the irish true name can you ? would the goverment like me to change my name to the old spelling ?

07-12-2009 02:00PM

getz wrote: »

would that be in primitive irish or old irish ?i have a same irish surname as you and i could not pronounce the irish true name can you ? would the goverment like me to change my name to the old spelling ?

I don't know..

As for personal names that's your own choice, I am learning Irish so I can (sort of) pronounce my name as gaeilge.

getz · 07-12-2009 03:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know..

As for personal names that's your own choice, I am learning Irish so I can (sort of) pronounce my name as gaeilge.

i have just looked up my irish surname in [gaeilic] now i wished i hadent,its o,dobhailen [meaning black and slain] the next one who calls me that will get a punch on the nose

fatboypee · 07-12-2009 03:14PM

On an off-topic note, another thing that bugs the crap outta me is, if you complete your Leaving Cert exams in Irish you automatically add 10% to your score ? WTF is that all about ? And the grammar is not checked ?

Utter discrimination.

FBP.

jackthekipper · 07-12-2009 03:55PM

Ireland truly is becoming more and more like America. Or maybe is it the immigants, I always knew it was the immigants, even when it was the bears.

sdanseo · 08-12-2009 02:56AM

fatboypee wrote: »

On an off-topic note, another thing that bugs the crap outta me is, if you complete your Leaving Cert exams in Irish you automatically add 10% to your score ? WTF is that all about ? And the grammar is not checked ?

Utter discrimination.

FBP.

Eh no. It's extra credit for choosing to go out of your way to learn your native language, it reflects effort which is deserving of the credit.

Unless you're a native gaeilgóir, then you're just a lucky coont.

Mars Bar · 08-12-2009 11:22AM

Bonito wrote: »

Well yano the way it gives the irish translation of the estate under the english (or maybe that's just where I live)

If they change all estates to irish all the have to do is on the first line have the estate name, then second line where they had the irish transaltion just a pro-nun-see-a-shun line

It's engraved into a stone and it's just the english version!

This is just a plan to keep us talking about anything else but the recession and the budget...it won't work!

lallychops · 08-12-2009 12:07PM

sdonn wrote: »

Eh no. It's extra credit for choosing to go out of your way to learn your native language, it reflects effort which is deserving of the credit.

Unless you're a native gaeilgóir, then you're just a lucky coont.

It is utter discrimination towards anyone (native to this country or otherwise) who do not attend Gaelscoils. This option to complete the Leaving Cert through Irish is not widely available to students nation wide. These extra marks allocated to students who complete their exams through irish ultimately "tip the balance" of the already competetive CAO system in favour of people who were given this option. I should know....im a Leaving Cert student.....and btw sdonn we have to go out of our way to learn the "native language " anyway as there is a standard exam for Irish as a subject....why dont we get an extra 10% for completing that exam ???

All Estate Names to be in Irish

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