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The entire Catholic Church needs to be investigated

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭condra


    There have been abuse scandals in other countries, and in other religions.

    I think it's probably just a matter of time for some countries before it becomes the local "big issue" like it is here.

    I wonder how much coverage the Irish story has received globally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    condra wrote: »
    There have been abuse scandals in other countries, and in other religions.

    I think it's probably just a matter of time for some countries before it becomes the local "big issue" like it is here.

    I wonder how much coverage the Irish story has received globally.
    I would certainly say it gets a wide coverage in the States and Australia since there is such a large Irish community there.

    Google News is also a great thing....While it lasts. :mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Right now the Vatican and its head leader is playing hard-ball.

    * He won't answer any questions or requests put to him.
    * He won't recognise any impartial inquiries - even if they are set-up by a government.
    * He won't supply any information that they consider to put them in bad light beyond a country's individual border.
    * He won't let the Vatican be exposed to financial litigation. As soon as someone attempts to hold them responsible - America, Italy, Ireland and other countries other basic local parishes are as far as financial liability is allowed. If Rome thinks it can be held accountable for any of the damage done by direct action, in-direct action, complacent after the act, etc, the orders go out from Rome that local parishes are to declare themselves bankrupt (6+ in the USA alone) or state that they will only accept limited liability.
    * The list goes on...

    The Church of Rome has CENTURIES of practise in the art of keeping secrets and practising lies, looking after their own (here at home where they smuggle priests in and out after they have "sinned", Monsenior Donnelly and co, abroad in the states and Europe: Paul Casimir Marcinkus, etc) looking after their institutions and limiting their liability (Look into "Banco Ambrosiano", Roberto Calvi, The Vatican Bank, P2 masonic lodge, etc and those are just a few off the head examples).

    Anyone deeply interested in this subject and see the extent of their power I suggest the reading of a international famous book by Davis Yallop, called "In Gods Name".
    Its a shocking read and incitement of the way things are done, the antics of Rome in keeping secrets even from World War 2 onwards never mind the previous centuries. It indicates just how far they are willing to go in order to see that "the victor gets to write history" and to ensure that they are always the victorious and righteous ones in the end.

    The church of Rome is for me a basket case of sins piles upon sins - and with todays greater abilities to communicate better with one another (through technology alone), the further ability of exposing some truths by same, the Vatican has still not learned its lesson and continues to play hard-ball.

    In essence, the equivalent of sticking its two fingers up to the people of this world that are looking for answers and justice.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭docmol


    So by that way of thinking if there was a European trade union for teachers for example and it turned out 5% of the Irish members either living in Ireland or abroad were guilty of child abuse, does that mean that all the people in the group should be investigated? There are some guilty, the majority are good innocent people. Just because it may have been spread out all around Ireland does not mean it occured in every single parish likewise it does not mean it occured throughout the entire church throughout the world.

    I think the difference is that if a teachers trade union found out that one of it's own was abusing kids it would hang the offender out to dry, not cover it up. I saw somewhere that parents were threatened with excomunication if they went to the civil authorities to report a priest for child abusing. Don't know if thats true though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    docmol wrote: »
    I saw somewhere that parents were threatened with excomunication if they went to the civil authorities to report a priest for child abusing.

    A lady who owned a shop in Galway (1960's) reported that her child had been abused by a priest, nothing was done about the report, but the local people found out about the allegation she made and stopped going to her shop, she closed the shop after a month.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    docmol wrote: »
    I think the difference is that if a teachers trade union found out that one of it's own was abusing kids it would hang the offender out to dry, not cover it up. I saw somewhere that parents were threatened with excomunication if they went to the civil authorities to report a priest for child abusing. Don't know if thats true though...

    Thats well, well known:

    One quick USA example - there are loads others...
    For decades, priests in this country abused children in parish after parish while their superiors covered it all up. Now it turns out the orders for this cover up were written in Rome at the highest levels of the Vatican.

    CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales has uncovered a church document kept secret for 40 years.

    The confidential Vatican document, obtained by CBS News, lays out a church policy that calls for absolute secrecy when it comes to sexual abuse by priests - anyone who speaks out could be thrown out of the church.

    The policy was written in 1962 by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani.

    The document, once "stored in the secret archives" of the Vatican, focuses on crimes initiated as part of the confessional relationship and what it calls the "worst crime": sexual assault committed by a priest" or "attempted by him with youths of either sex or with brute animals."

    Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way...restrained by a perpetual silence...and everyone {including the alleged victim) ...is to observe the strictest secret, which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office...under the penalty of excommunication."

    Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/eveningnews/main566978.shtml
    Source: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/07/1060145795103.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Vatican; Mecca (by Extension Saudi Arabia); Jerusalim and that whole spiel...

    Why do we let Religion get that much power in the first place? Cant we just invade the Vatican?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭deisemum


    docmol wrote: »
    I think the difference is that if a teachers trade union found out that one of it's own was abusing kids it would hang the offender out to dry, not cover it up. I saw somewhere that parents were threatened with excomunication if they went to the civil authorities to report a priest for child abusing. Don't know if thats true though...

    Some teacher union reps are currently covering up child abuse and I know of a case where one family was paid off to keep quiet while other families were on the receiving end of one of the sickest threats for any family to face. Covering up is still alive in the education system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    i'm sure we're all sick of hearing about it,

    This in itself is a problem, and something the catholic church is damn well hoping will happen. As Irish people we bang on about outrage and what not to the point where everyone gets 'sick' of hearing about it and then the issue peters out and disappears. That's why there's no accountability in this country. This issue should be at the forefront until every single priest, bishop, politician and garda complicit is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. To hell with letting things go. These people should be dragged through the streets... metaphorically.


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