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Will you still go to mass on sunday?

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  • #32
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    segaBOY wrote: »
    After all the Catholic Church educated and ran hospitals for most of the country when the State wasn't up to the task.

    I'd rather be illiterate, than have someone stick their penis in my ass against my will.


  • #33
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    segaBOY wrote: »
    After all the Catholic Church educated and ran hospitals for most of the country when the State wasn't up to the task.

    We not talking about the good the church has done in the past ,it's about the evil still existing in it's midst with a system that alowed it's employess ie, priests to abuse children for many many decades , without fear of being caught and exposed.It's not about the past , it's about Now
    .


  • #34
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    LOL

    Take it to History or Politics and see what happens when you say that

    No I'll keep it AH. Perhaps you could make a formulated response to counteract my statement.

    The Catholic Church did (and still do) run many of Ireland's schools. A lot of hospitals are still in the hands of the church too.

    LOL


  • #35
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    St James wrote: »
    We all need prayer at this time.

    You need a hell of a lot more than that.


  • #36
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Asmodean wrote: »
    I find I can live a happy and successful life without the fairy tales so no, still won't bother going.
    What makes you think Christianity involves any more "fairy tales" than your own position?

    What you're saying is effectively nothing more than a faith statement.


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  • #37
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    laugh wrote: »
    I'd rather be illiterate, than have someone stick their penis in my ass against my will.

    There is a large possibility that if you were educated in Ireland you attended a primary or secondary school that the church had a role in managing.

    But your comment is humourous.


  • #38
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    brummytom wrote: »
    Yes I will.

    In the same way I'd visit Germany, take a tour of Parliament or look around the site of the Boston Tea Party.


    Things happened in the past. Terrible, despicable, inexcusable things. But that was the past. It has no place in the present.

    The church of the time should be ridiculed for what happened, but not, per se, the church of today.

    I understand the majority of posters here won't agree, but it's just my opinion

    Brummy I actually have to keep reminding myself that you're only 16..
    :eek:


  • #39
    AnonoBoy
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    I stopped going in the 90's when I was old enough to realise that an organisation that was systematically raping and abusing children and covering it up had no place telling me what was moral or immoral.


  • #40
    philologos
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    Wazdakka wrote: »
    Brummy I actually have to keep reminding myself that you're only 16..
    :eek:

    In retrospect, a lot of brummytom's views despite his age are incredibly mature in comparison to many of the other posts made by people much older than he is.


  • #41
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Jakkass wrote: »
    In retrospect, a lot of brummytom's views despite his age are incredibly mature in comparison to many of the other posts made by people much older than he is.
    Twas my point.


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  • #42
    someoneok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭someoneok


    No mass is out for me.Interestingly has anyone seen jbyeats channel on youtube where he goes into the church scandal? He is just an average joe but he has some good points in some of his videos. No holes barred.


  • #43
    myflipflops
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    I'd consider returning if the church admitted fully their culpability in the abuse disgrace as well as the attempts to cover it up and protect those criminals who were guilty of some of the worst crimes in the history of the state.

    They also need to fully commit to paying compensation to the people whose lives were ruined while in the care of the Catholic church.

    Finally, as an organisation they need to be proactive in changing many of the outdated rules that have no real place in society, some of which were the root causes of the whole abuse scenario e.g. removing compulsary celibacy for priests/nuns, allowing women to become priests and higher, allowing marriage amongst the clergy etc etc.

    If they do this, I'd consider returning because I have nothing against Catholicism as an idea, it's the Catholic church I find difficult to take.


  • #44
    jenzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭jenzz


    we were at mass on Sunday - one of the kids communion masses. We were in the church for over an hour, 20 mins of this was a party political broadcast on behalf of the finances of the church. They needed more money so used the kiddies mass as a time to beg.We got given out to then as our kids werent attentive enough. I was in shock. Surely they need to be keeping people wanting to go at a time like this.

    I am sick after reading all that today. Really doubting this faith now.


  • #45
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    brummytom wrote: »
    Yes I will.

    In the same way I'd visit Germany, take a tour of Parliament or look around the site of the Boston Tea Party.

    Things happened in the past. Terrible, despicable, inexcusable things. But that was the past. It has no place in the present.

    The church of the time should be ridiculed for what happened, but not, per se, the church of today.

    I understand the majority of posters here won't agree, but it's just my opinion

    Hate to disagree with you Brummy but this abuse didn't magically stop in the 50's, the 60's, the 70's, the 80's or the 90's. It kept going to the modern day and they kept covering it up. While many members of the church may be fine upstanding and holy people it doesn't excuse the systematic covering up of the abuse that went on and was sanctioned by the Vatican.


  • #46
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Jakkass wrote: »
    In retrospect, a lot of brummytom's views despite his age are incredibly mature in comparison to many of the other posts made by people much older than he is.

    You mean those who are older than him who ridicule your religion?


  • #47
    qt9ukbg60ivjrn
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    brummytom wrote: »
    I'm just saying that the actions of the church in the past should not be used as a benchmark against which to judge the present-day church.

    do you not think that because it took a report for the facts to emerge after so long that this is a bad reflection of the modern day church? the 'cover-up' was maintained up until recently, so in my mind there is no distinction between the old and modern day church


  • #48
    segaBOY
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    SV wrote: »
    You mean those who are older than him who ridicule your religion?

    To be fair I just responded to a penis and ass comment from another poster.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
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    Honest question here.

    Do priests originally get a call from God which prompts them to join the priesthood?


  • #50
    Mr. Presentable
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    Yeah, but I won't be getting down on my knees for anyone..........


  • #51
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    St James wrote: »
    Reclaim YOUR church. Keep attending the services, change from within. If the perverts spent their time praying, they would not have had the time for preying.

    There are many good priests and Catholics out there, who are saddened and disgusted with what went on as well as the cover up attempts.

    We all need prayer at this time.

    Oh all those lovely priests were so saddened that they did nothing:rolleyes:. Anybody who thinks actions result from prayer is delusional in my opinion. It will not affect me either way. I haven't been an attending member since I have had my own free will not to go. There are some good people in the catholic church but the stench of moral corruption is too much for me. Now don't even get me started on this whole god business.


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  • #52
    wudangclan
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    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Honest question here.

    Do priests originally get a call from God which prompts them to join the priesthood?

    Yes.
    And the cheap bastard always reverses the charges.


  • #53
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    jenzz wrote: »
    I am sick after reading all that today. Really doubting this faith now.

    Sorry to read this.

    Even after the living dead, a ceremony of canibalism, virgin births, you let a little sodomy put you off........


  • #54
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Wouldn't this be better off in Christianity?

    I mean nobody on AH is gonna change there views on the church over the report so it's a moot question here really

    it'll end up in another drawn out debate on religion as a whole


  • #55
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    I don't understand this 'modern day church' thing. Do you guys honestly think that there are not priests still up there saying Mass that have abused kids?

    Check the dates on the report from the Commission of Investigation that was published today:
    RTE.ie wrote:
    The three-volume report, covering a period of abuse from the period 1975 to 2004, was published this afternoon by Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern.

    2004. That's just 5 years ago. Hardly in the distant past. These f*cking criminals and the people who covered their crimes up should be held accountable in full for what they've done.


  • #56
    philologos
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    SV wrote: »
    You mean those who are older than him who ridicule your religion?

    I'm a non-Catholic, hence in all things I am taking an outside view when assessing Catholicism.

    I respect the Catholic Church in many ways, but in the same view, I find a lot of what has happened to be disgusting. However, this has lessons for the Irish church and it doesn't mean that people should necessarily leave the church or reject God.

    If people wish to leave there are many other churches, but these churches are riddled with their own flaws. The church will never be perfect because imperfect beings are involved in the church.

    I believe the best place for Catholics who are angry at what has happened is to be within the church demanding change. The areas I would see that could need change most immediately is in encouraging Biblical literacy so that people can question the way their leadership are running the church with an idea of how Christianity is meant to be more frequently.

    In short, I wouldn't put any further qualifiers. brummytom is far more mature in dealing with situations than a lot of other posters, irrespective of their religion. I don't know what everyone believes, hence I cannot assume them to be atheists.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    Wouldn't this be better off in Christianity?

    Absolutely not, we've had to deal with enough of these threads in the past. Please have a bit of mercy on us :pac:


  • #57
    segaBOY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭segaBOY


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    I don't understand this 'modern day church' thing. Do you guys honestly think that there are not priests still up there saying Mass that have abused kids?

    Check the dates on the report from the Commission of Investigation that was published today:



    2004. That's just 5 years ago. Hardly in the distant past. These f*cking criminals and the people who covered their crimes up should be held accountable in full for what they've done.

    Agree they should be punished.

    Sure there probably are still priests knocking around saying mass who have abused kids. However not ALL priests are like this, in fact the majority are not. Reminds me of a certain Roma thread and not tarring everyone with the same brush except people seem to be getting a free run to say whatever they want here...


  • #58
    Borneo Fnctn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Borneo Fnctn


    segaBOY wrote: »
    Agree they should be punished.

    Sure there probably are still priests knocking around saying mass who have abused kids. However not ALL priests are like this, in fact the majority are not. Reminds me of a certain Roma thread and not tarring everyone with the same brush except people seem to be getting a free run to say whatever they want here...

    What about the priests who knew what was going on but kept quiet? That's an awful lot of priests.

    That Catholic Church is rotten to the core.


  • #59
    itsallaboutheL
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    jackpalance wrote: »
    That Catholic Church is rotten to the core.

    So's this apple


  • #60
    jenzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭jenzz


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Sorry to read this.

    Even after the living dead, a ceremony of canibalism, virgin births, you let a little sodomy put you off........

    I think everyone should be entitled to their beliefs & entitled to doubt them.


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  • #61
    Instant Karma
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    jackpalance wrote: »
    What about the priests who knew what was going on but kept quiet? That's an awful lot of priests.

    Catholic Church Religion is rotten to the core.


    fixed that for you.


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