Why do dissident republicans keep getting caught?

Zebra3 · 23-11-2009 02:33AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'd beg to differ.....we're told by sympathisers that the PIRA never targeted civilians, any yet that's very hard to believe given the number that they murdered.

So I think they're just ****ing up in a different way; thankfully one that results in no murders and the scum involved getting caught and jailed!

we're told by sympathisers that the British Army never targeted civilians, any yet that's very hard to believe given the number that they murdered.

So I think they're just ****ing up in a different way; sadly mass murder of innocent civilians continues to this day in Iraq and Afganistan.

Liam Byrne · 23-11-2009 02:42AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

we're told by sympathisers that the British Army never targeted civilians, any yet that's very hard to believe given the number that they murdered.

So I think they're just ****ing up in a different way; sadly mass murder of innocent civilians continues to this day in Iraq and Afganistan.

And this is relevant to the thread how, exactly ? :rolleyes:

K-9 · 23-11-2009 02:52AM

Stones85 wrote: »

It's dangerous to think of these guys as stupid.

That would be giving them far too much credence.

Stones85 · 23-11-2009 03:12AM

K-9 wrote: »

That would be giving them far too much credence.

Well British themselves don't call them stupid, in fact they do the opposite. To call them stupid is dangerous imo because to do so you are understating the seriousness of their intent, and if you adopt that philosophy then you'll be caught off guard, it also paints a picture of a kuckle dragging dummy, which they aren't, obviously.

They are young lads like any other from around the world. They just happen to have been born in the Ireland.

But hears praying and hoping they keep getting caught and given lengthly jail terms!!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 23-11-2009 04:06AM

K-9 wrote: »

That would be giving them far too much credence.

No it wouldn't. A lot of people with no understanding of the situation like to make out that militant republicans have no support.

The PIRA/Sinn Fein were deeply unpopular amongst the majority of nationalists until the hunger strikes, they wanted a united Ireland, but they didn't want people killed to get it. SDLP were the popular party amongst nationalists back then.

I don't know how Gerry Adams can claim they won because McGuinness is a deputy minister in a state in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The GFA will not lead to a UI which is why these groups continue to exist.

For these reasons like this its insane to write these groups off as stupid.

Liam Byrne · 23-11-2009 04:16AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

No it wouldn't. A lot of people with no understanding of the situation like to make out that militant republicans have no support.

It doesn't take understanding of the situation to decipher what the vast majority of people voted for in the GFA; while unfortunately "no support" is overstating it, "very little support" is undoubtedly accurate.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The PIRA/Sinn Fein were deeply unpopular amongst the majority of nationalists until the hunger strikes, they wanted a united Ireland, but they didn't want people killed to get it. SDLP were the popular party amongst nationalists back then.

The nationalists back then had no say, so while I wouldn't agree with the road they took, I can understand them feeling that there was no legal route. They've now had their say (they were free to vote against the GFA if they wanted to) but they didn't. So the situation is completely different.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I don't know how Gerry Adams can claim they won because McGuinness is a deputy minister in a state in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The GFA will not lead to a UI which is why these groups continue to exist.

The GFA is the will of the people, though, so those groups have no mandate or reason to exist. And while some people might like to have a United Ireland (in theory, myself included) no-one wants violence and terrorism; the sooner these extremists get that into their heads, the better off everyone will be.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

For these reasons like this its insane to write these groups off as stupid.

I know what you're saying, but they're "stupid" enough to discount and ignore the will of something like 99% of the island.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 23-11-2009 04:40AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It doesn't take understanding of the situation to decipher what the vast majority of people voted for in the GFA; while unfortunately "no support" is overstating it, "very little support" is undoubtedly accurate.

The thing is in Northern Ireland 275,000 people voted no to it. About 180,000 didn't vote. Now of course a certain amount of these people would be unionist and aren't at risk of supporting militant republican groups but those are large numbers. A majority of unionist voters did vote yes all the same. What does "very little support" mean exactly? To me it would suggest less than 100 people which really isn't the case

The nationalists back then had no say, so while I wouldn't agree with the road they took, I can understand them feeling that there was no legal route. They've now had their say (they were free to vote against the GFA if they wanted to) but they didn't. So the situation is completely different.

My point wasn't really that. What I meant was that a huge political event (hunger strikes)was able to change public opinion from being against violence to being pro Sinn-Fein/IRA.

The GFA is the will of the people, though, so those groups have no mandate or reason to exist. And while some people might like to have a United Ireland (in theory, myself included) no-one wants violence and terrorism; the sooner these extremists get that into their heads, the better off everyone will be.

I'd imagine they wouldn't see themselves as terrorists. They probably see their mandate as 1919.

I know what you're saying, but they're "stupid" enough to discount and ignore the will of something like 99% of the island.

I wouldn't say 99%. Especially in the north. Anyway even if that were the case I doubt it would matter to them. And when people call them stupid that isn't what they mean. They literally think they're stupid generally.

Victor · 23-11-2009 05:09AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The thing is in Northern Ireland 275,000 people voted no to it. About 180,000 didn't vote. Now of course a certain amount of these people would be unionist

I would actually say the vast majority of the 275,000 were DUP voters and while they had / have reservation, you are correct in saying they don't give militant republicans a mandate.

me_right_one · 23-11-2009 10:13AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

My point wasn't really that. What I meant was that a huge political event (hunger strikes)was able to change public opinion from being against violence to being pro Sinn-Fein/IRA.

I'd say it was more Bloody Sunday than anything else. It was all peaceful protest marches before that.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-11-2009 10:50AM

CliffHuxtabel wrote: »

The police up there are probably more effective in detecting security threats these days

Exactly, with phone dead, cell site analysis, email & text message search robots, ANPR and urban CCTV, one would want to be a bird brain to carry on this type of stuff in this day and age particularly with the UK authorities

Fratton Fred · 23-11-2009 11:59AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

So I think they're just ****ing up in a different way; sadly mass murder of innocent civilians continues to this day in Iraq and Afganistan.

Bombing innocent people is OK because the British army are in Afghanistan? is it OK to bomb the Germans then, or the French, or the Irish:eek:

This is the same old lame **** that republicans come out with all the time, like Mountbatten deserved to die for what he did to India. it is just excuses for murdering innocent people.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I don't know how Gerry Adams can claim they won because McGuinness is a deputy minister in a state in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The GFA will not lead to a UI which is why these groups continue to exist.

He has to keep saying this, because the party grunts need to keep being told in case they start asking questions about Gerry and Co having their nests nicely feathered by the british Tax payer.

Gerry Adams won **** all.

Fratton Fred · 23-11-2009 12:00PM

at what percentage do these "Dissidents stop being "Dissidents"?

If, say, 51% of Republicans supported this new campaign, are they no longer "Dissidents"?

BlueLepreachaun · 23-11-2009 12:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

at what percentage do these "Dissidents stop being "Dissidents"?

If, say, 51% of Republicans supported this new campaign, are they no longer "Dissidents"?

They're dissidents from the peace process which means they are dissenting from the clear will of the people, so the percentages of them tho beleive what doens't matter.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 23-11-2009 12:30PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

at what percentage do these "Dissidents stop being "Dissidents"?

If, say, 51% of Republicans supported this new campaign, are they no longer "Dissidents"?

That's why I dislike the term "dissident". I feel "militant republican" is more appropriate. Why should someone who doesn't support the GFA but isn't taking part in an armed objection get lumped in with terrorists?

Joey the lips · 23-11-2009 01:19PM

It proves the are not drug dealers!

LordSutch · 23-11-2009 01:32PM

God forbid, but just suppose for one moment that one of these real IRA bombs got through to its destination & actually exploded! > killing many people in the process, including the bomber (ala Shankill 1993).

Qusetion: Who would carry the bombers coffin this time?

Liam Byrne · 23-11-2009 01:44PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

That's why I dislike the term "dissident". I feel "militant republican" is more appropriate. Why should someone who doesn't support the GFA but isn't taking part in an armed objection get lumped in with terrorists?

Lots of people had to put up with the equivalent hijacking of the term "republican" by the terrorists for years.

McArmalite · 23-11-2009 01:53PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And this is relevant to the thread how, exactly ? :rolleyes:

Amazing, a thread about the IRA and it's been forgotten to mention " And what about Jerry McCabe :pac:".

the_syco · 23-11-2009 02:03PM

I'm going to go for the most simple reason: their supplies. They order X amount of fertiliser, and I'm sure at this stage the police have some program in place to track bomb making stuff. Follow this up with someone popping over to check if the fertilizer is being used, and BING, you'll know.

Liam Byrne · 23-11-2009 02:10PM

McArmalite wrote: »

Amazing, a thread about the IRA and it's been forgotten to mention " And what about Jerry McCabe :pac:".

Hey - has anyone ever seen those manuals that say "This page intentionally left blank" and wonder if the writers know what irony is ? :rolleyes:

Pdfile · 23-11-2009 02:43PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Why do dissident republicans keep getting caught? They fuc k up everything they try to do. The police got 3 of them that planted that bomb today already! If that was the good aul PIRA, they'd have to actually ring the police and tell them "Er, lads, there's a big bomb there in whatever street, in the back of a red sierra. I think you should evacuate the place". I dunno. Paramilitary splinter groups these days:rolleyes:;)

us irish are to terrorisim as theirry is to fair football.

P.I.R.A, C.I.R.A Real I.R.A can all go twist a fuppin tube man - there noobs.

me_right_one · 23-11-2009 02:45PM

Pdfile wrote: »

us irish are to terrorisim as theirry is to fair football.

P.I.R.A, C.I.R.A Real I.R.A can all go twist a fuppin tube man - there noobs.

What do you mean? And whats the story with your username?:eek:

enniscorthy · 23-11-2009 02:48PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AXJjY4BTLI

Calibos · 23-11-2009 02:48PM

IMHO any militant republicans with any amount of intellect realised that the armed 'struggle' was getting nowhere really and signed up to the peace process. What was left over which became the dissidents were the knuckle dragging 'No Surrender' scumbag element of the militant republican organisations. Mostly the scumbaggiest grunts of the Pira. If the had more than a few braincells to rub together they wouldn't have been 'grunts' and they would have realised it was a lost cause.

I mean they were all scumbags but we're talking degrees of scumbagness.

Pdfile · 23-11-2009 02:51PM

me_right_one wrote: »

What do you mean? And whats the story with your username?:eek:

they are all women, honestly, any fuppin eejjit these days can pose as them or get recruited and be given acess to wpes, drugs and Anything else you may require.

I.R.A is another name for business these days, not freedom, apart form the polish, they import all the drugs, smokes guns and Usual illigal stuff for profit, not for irish freedom.

They make me ashamed to be irish.

my username ? - come over to his dark room with no lights on... ive got sweeties !

me_right_one · 23-11-2009 03:01PM

Pdfile wrote: »

my username ? - come over to his dark room with no lights on... ive got sweeties !

Thats not funny

Pdfile · 23-11-2009 03:05PM

me_right_one wrote: »

Thats not funny

http://www.acegames.us/forum/attachments/free-mp3-ringtones/53799d1233210381t-herbert-family-guy-oldman.jpg

im serious, get over here now :cool:

LordSutch · 23-11-2009 03:49PM

Pdfile wrote: »

they are all women, honestly, any fuppin eejjit these days can pose as them or get recruited and be given acess to wpes, drugs and Anything else you may require.

Curious post that Pdfile;
And what might 'these days' mean in relation to 'those days'? when the Bombs did actually go off ?

Pdfile wrote: »

I.R.A is another name for business these days, not freedom, apart form the polish, they import all the drugs, smokes guns and Usual illigal stuff for profit, not for irish freedom.

Yes indeed 'these days' again, as opposed to the good old days of freedom fighting, when bits of people used to be shoveled off the streets into plastic bags when an IRA bomb did go off :mad:

Pdfile wrote: »

They make me ashamed to be irish.

You can be ashamed to be Irish alright, if thats what you're into :cool: and maybe you would like to expand on your thoughts in case I misunderstand you.

McArmalite · 23-11-2009 07:11PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hey - has anyone ever seen those manuals that say "This page intentionally left blank" and wonder if the writers know what irony is ? :rolleyes:

Ah come on Liam, give us the old " And what about Jerry McCabe :pac:" line.

Liam Byrne · 23-11-2009 07:21PM

McArmalite wrote: »

Ah come on Liam, give us the old " And what about Jerry McCabe :pac:" line.

Yawn! If you want to make a joke of someone's murder and use them as a taunt on a bulletin board, fire away (assuming it's safe to use that phrase to someone who views murder as a big joke).

It's pretty pathetic and disrespectful, though, so count me out. Maybe do us all a favour and go play with a few of your namesakes... :rolleyes:

Ironically, that's twice you've been the only person to mention his name. And it'll stay that way.

Why do dissident republicans keep getting caught?

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