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Mandatory Organ Donation

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  • #32
    KnifeWRENCH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    Opt out system definitely should be put in place. I'd say most people out there without organ donor cards don't necessarily object to it but just haven't got around to getting one. At least with an opt out system, the wishes of those who object on religious grounds or whatever will be respected while still making more organs available from those who don't particularly care either way.


  • #33
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you drunk Sharpshooter? :rolleyes:

    Religion is by far the most cited reason for not donating organs.. If we have a discussion about organ donation, the reasons for not donating are going to come up.

    No, not at all.

    But as I said the OP was asking in general for answers from the posters in After Hours.

    If he/she wanted a religious discussion then there was a forum for that.

    Bringing religion into it in After Hours is asking for the thread to be hijacked and trolled.


  • #34
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you drunk Sharpshooter? :rolleyes:

    Religion is by far the most cited reason for not donating organs.. If we have a discussion about organ donation, the reasons for not donating are going to come up.

    This is what pisses me right the way off about people. Answer for yourself will you? Are you a die hard Christian any other religon for that matter? If you tell me you are banging down the shagging doors of your nearest church down of a Sunday morning then I'll bow the hell out here.. but come onnnnnn.


    My answer to the OP's question is this; as soon as it looks like I'm on the way out -take the lot. If I thought someone could benefit from what was left from me, work away. I think its selfish to take it to the grave with you. I'm a Roman Catholic on paperwork, but I realise how out-dated the religon is. So I choose to ignore it,

    Thats my take on it, and its not open to discussion.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Abigayle wrote: »
    This is what pisses me right the way off about people. Answer for yourself will you? Are you a die hard Christian any other religon for that matter? If you tell me you are banging down the shagging doors of your nearest church down of a Sunday morning then I'll bow the hell out here.. but come onnnnnn.


    My answer to the OP's question is this; as soon as it looks like I'm on the way out -take the lot. If I thought someone could benefit from what was left from me, work away. I think its selfish to take it to the grave with you. I'm a Roman Catholic on paperwork, but I realise how out-dated the religon is. So I choose to ignore it,

    Thats my take on it, and its not open to discussion.

    I've no idea why I was quoted at the start of this post.


  • #36
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    Just feel the need to say this. I am in no way a troll. I started this thread because I wanted to see how everyone else felt about the subject, thats all. It is something I feel strongly about, so here is the thread that reflects that.


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  • #37
    Long Onion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Long Onion


    An opt out system would raise constitutional issues due to the whole religion situation. Ironically, there is a mandatory opt in to the constitution itself.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    slipss wrote: »
    Just feel the need to say this. I am in no way a troll. I started this thread because I wanted to see how everyone else felt about the subject, thats all. It is something I feel strongly about, so here is the thread that reflects that.

    It's an interesting debate.. It came up in conversation with two of the lads recently and was surprised when both said that it should never be "opt-out". Really thought most people would have agreed..


  • #39
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    slipss wrote: »
    Just feel the need to say this. I am in no way a troll. I started this thread because I wanted to see how everyone else felt about the subject, thats all. It is something I feel strongly about, so here is the thread that reflects that.

    And in no way did I suggest that OP.

    I am trying to prevent your thread slipping into a religious thread.

    I don't think that's what you were after.

    Am I right?


  • #40
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've no idea why I was quoted at the start of this post.

    My apologies. Could you kindly give me a break down of the following?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you drunk Sharpshooter? :rolleyes:
    Religion is by far the most cited reason for not donating organs.. If we have a discussion about organ donation, the reasons for not donating are going to come up.

    Thanks :)


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    If he/she wanted a religious discussion then there was a forum for that.

    Bringing religion into it in After Hours is asking for the thread to be hijacked and trolled.

    Not always, the post below shows how necessary the topic of religion is in a debate on organ donation.
    Long Onion wrote: »
    An opt out system would raise constitutional issues due to the whole religion situation. Ironically, there is a mandatory opt in to the constitution itself.

    A referendum would be welcomed by many.. I'd certainly vote for Opt-out.


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  • #42
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    slipss wrote: »
    Save someones life rather than bury your kidney in muck?

    I rather my body stay intact, unless I give my permission. Respect the wishes of the dead...


  • #43
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not always, the post below shows how necessary the topic of religion is in a debate on organ donation.

    Are you saying that religion wouldn't take over this thread when certain posters clamp an eye on it?

    I have seen it happen way too often.


  • #44
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    Are you saying that religion wouldn't take over this thread when certain posters clamp an eye on it?

    I have seen it happen way too often.

    Without a doubt its going that way.


  • #45
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    And in no way did I suggest that OP.

    I am trying to prevent your thread slipping into a religious thread.

    I don't think that's what you were after.

    Am I right?

    None of my posts were aimed at you Sharp. All directed towards other posters.


  • #46
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    Thread title is very misleading so.

    What mandatory organ donation?

    I had nothing to do with the poll btw.:pac:

    yes cause every thread is about u :rolleyes:


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Abigayle wrote: »
    My apologies. Could you kindly give me a break down of the following?





    Thanks :)

    A breakdown? It's fairly obvious.

    The "are you drunk" part was in reference to her mistake on asking for a source/link to OPs post.
    The "religion" section is my opinion on whether religion should be involved in a debate on organ donation.
    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    Are you saying that religion wouldn't take over this thread when certain posters clamp an eye on it?

    I have seen it happen way too often.

    Is there a problem with this? It's a debate on an issue where religion is cited as the main reason for non-donation. It still doesn't make it a religious argument. Maybe it belongs in Humanities but certainly not the Religion forum.
    Abigayle wrote: »
    Without a doubt its going that way.

    No it's not. The reason we're even discussing religion right now is absolutely ironic.


  • #48
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    I carry a card in my wallet.
    When I die they can fire away and take whatever they like.
    Apart from my penis.
    Ill need that for banging all those fine angels up in heaven.


  • #49
    passive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭passive


    Actually, I think someone just hit on the very best system...

    Everybody is presumed to be a willing donor for all their bits and pieces, unless they go sign a form stating their unwillingness to give/receive

    Eyes Y/N
    Kidneys Y/N
    Heart Y/N
    ETC Y/N
    in the event on an accident that injures/maims/kills them.

    Huge emphasis on the Give/Receive thing... That'll make the ****ers think twice. Also, I think this form should be kept in the basement of an office on an island somewhere...


  • #50
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A breakdown? It's fairly obvious.

    The "are you drunk" part was in reference to her mistake on asking for a source/link to OPs post.
    The "religion" section is my opinion on whether religion should be involved in a debate on organ donation.

    I asked for a link because the thread title was misleading.
    IE ( What Mandatory Organ Donation? ).:eek:
    It frightened the bejesus out of me.

    On your second point, religion doesen't belong in a thread like this unless the OP has posted it in Christianity .


  • #51
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    Just in case this isn't painfully obvious. This thread isn't about religion, or morals or ethics, although it probably encapsulates all those things. What's your opinion?


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  • #52
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Personally I think the opt out in a mandatory donation is a good idea.

    When I'm dead I won't be complaining what they take...........but if I am more than likely I'm a zombie and they won't be considering taking my bits.

    My lungs and heart won't be in tip-top quality................bargain-basement quality or "buy a kidney and we'll give you a free lung!!" kind of offer (Cuz we know free stuff is shìt ;) )

    Though I'd like to keep my balls :pac: purely for aesthetic reasons.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sharpshooter wrote: »
    On your second point, religion doesen't belong in a thread like this unless the OP has posted it in Christianity .

    Completely disagree unfortunately. What if we talk about both the religious and the medical side of it.. should there be threads all over the site for each part of the argument?
    Long Onion wrote: »
    An opt out system would raise constitutional issues due to the whole religion situation. Ironically, there is a mandatory opt in to the constitution itself.

    A poster has highlighted the issues of religion in our constitution which directly affect organ donation.


  • #54
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A breakdown? It's fairly obvious.
    Oh is it then?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you drunk Sharpshooter? :rolleyes:
    The "are you drunk" part was in reference to her mistake on asking for a source/link to OPs post.
    But you couldn't ask that in a civil manner ;)


  • #55
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A breakdown? It's fairly obvious.

    The "are you drunk" part was in reference to her mistake on asking for a source/link to OPs post.
    The "religion" section is my opinion on whether religion should be involved in a debate on organ donation.



    Is there a problem with this? It's a debate on an issue where religion is cited as the main reason for non-donation. It still doesn't make it a religious argument. Maybe it belongs in Humanities but certainly not the Religion forum.



    No it's not. The reason we're even discussing religion right now is absolutely ironic.

    This is what the OP has to say about his thread.
    vvvvvvvvvv
    slipss wrote: »
    Just in case this isn't painfully obvious. This thread isn't about religion, or morals or ethics, although it probably encapsulates all those things. What's your opinion?

    That was where I was coming from.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Completely disagree unfortunately.

    No bother, you don't have to agree with me.


  • #56
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Threads aren't about complete agreement, I understand that.

    I suppose I'd better support my views with some back up. For a long time I've been studying the effects of decomposition on bodies. When you know organs are going to waste when there are people in the world, even in our country of residence that are dying because they don't have the organs we have.

    I completely respect anyone who chooses to opt out, but I also respect those who give it some thought too.

    Thats my final say.


  • #57
    mardybumbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭mardybumbum


    Ladies and Gentlemen, lets get this thread back on topic. Its quite interesting.

    Personally I cant think of any decent reason anybody can give for not wanting to donate their organs.
    As far as I know, none of the major religions forbid it.

    The old "But my family wouldnt want parts of me in anybody else" reply is a bit of a cop out.
    They will get over it.
    Saving another humans life takes precedent.

    However, I think an opt - out system is a terrible idea.
    Knowing that I made the decision myself to donate my organs is what allows me to be comfortable with it.
    If I knew I had no choice in the matter I would be seriously pissed off.
    Its my body after all.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I might take this to Feedback tomorrow.
    Since you're a mod, I can't openly criticize or comment on what you've done to this thread or I'll get banned.

    /back on topic.


  • #59
    citizen_p
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    opt out...

    you dont need your organs once your dead....so take them.....but allow ppl to opt out for religious reasons etc..


  • #60
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    You know what kind of annoys me?

    I posted this a while back, and no-one replied.

    Given the very strong views held by some of the posters here, I think it's telling that none of them bothered to write in when it mattered, to try and actually have an input on national policy.


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  • #61
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I might take this to Feedback tomorrow.
    Since you're a mod, I can't openly criticize or comment on what you've done to this thread or I'll get banned.

    /back on topic.
    I don't know why you would want to do that, but go ahead.
    I don't have a problem with that at all.


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