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Illegal to photograph police?

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  • #32
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    eth0_ wrote: »
    It's been illegal to photograph members of the RUC and now the PSNI since..forever.
    And for VERY good reason. These people are still at risk from paramilitaries, just for doing their job, after all.

    But i'm 99.999999999999999% positive I (or 99.99999999999999999% of the humans that I have met) could photo every single member of every single cop house in the country in the space of a month despite the fact I have no photography training whatsoever, it would be extremely painfully simple. I'm pretty sure I could teach a 10 year old to do it. Is it not obvious that the only people that would be prevented from taking these photos are the people that don't care wether they are seen or not because they are the only people that could possibly be caught?


  • #33
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    skibum wrote: »
    Think this is the vid you are talking about:


    I posted this before but it was taken down........

    Why was it taken down, it seems pretty clear cut to me.
    They were wrong.

    Was there any comeback on this, do you know?


  • #34
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    Not entirely off topic but slightly so. Point a video recording device at any member of the gardai and they not only panic like Gary Breen dealing with a simply cleared cross but they also get very very very agressive and start making up laws. Me and some of my friends, when we were young teenagers, decided to point our video cameras at the gardai every time they approached us and they completely despise it (why if they do nothing wrong????). It took about 3 weeks from when we started doin this {after about 3 years of putting up with thier sh1t} that they sudenly decided we weren't commiting any crimes and stopped hassling us.






















    (please don't correct my spelling in this post unless it accompanies a genuine response.)


  • #35
    9wetfckx43j5rg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭9wetfckx43j5rg


    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.


  • #36
    jumpguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.
    He was joking. Do you really think he was carrying around an AK (an automatic weapon)?


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  • #37
    Smyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Smyth


    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.

    Oh my...


  • #38
    one-angry-dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭one-angry-dwarf


    Well they need laws like that to protect the police from people taking shots like this of a police medic using his 'healing stick'!

    http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/why-they-want-to-make-it-a-crime-to-take-photographs-of-the-police/


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.

    :pac::pac::pac:


  • #40
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Smyth wrote: »
    ****ing paranoia is rank up there.

    It's not "paranoia". Terrorist groups are still active in Northern Ireland. You might be the buddy of someone one of those police officers put away who needs to teach that officer a "lesson".

    Perhaps you're too young to remember when we used to have our cars stopped and searched crossing the border at Newry, or the army checkpoints one had to cross just to get into Belfast city centre :o
    Smyth wrote: »
    I've always found the gardaí pretty sound and level headed so I was shocked to say the least.

    :eek: :confused:


  • #41
    roneythetube
    Closed Accounts Posts: 106 ✭✭roneythetube


    skibum wrote: »
    Think this is the vid you are talking about:


    I posted this before but it was taken down........

    I was just reading this thread thinking to meself 'what was the name of that video I saw recently where a film-maker taught the cops a few things about the laws they are supposed to be know?'...

    And then I see this video has been posted! NIce one dude. :)

    Shows clearly that the cops CAN be filmed and often should be filmed (most people behave better if they know they are being filmed) cos sometimes they do things that are not very nice.

    God help us when we pass laws on filming those 'protecting us from ourselves'.


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  • #42
    manutd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭manutd


    Look at this, got arrested

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    And this, he got arrested to, but charges later droped.

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  • #43
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    I think there's a line between innocently videoing them, and harrassment.

    I mean look at it from your own POV - if you saw someone in O'Connell street just videoing people passing by, that's no big deal. However, if that person began to single you out and followed you with their video camera, that's harrassment. It doesn't matter if you're a civilian or a police officer, if you are being videoed by someone for no good reason, you are entitled to ask them to stop.


  • #44
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Saibh wrote: »
    Hard to know if your thread is serious or not when you add this part to it.




    More than likely, would think it is a security issue, as Mousey- states.





    It's not really... Actually it's quite simple to see that he is taking the mick. You actually think he had an AK47 and a balaclava on?

    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.

    You really think that he was wearing a balaclava and he was arrested for taking a photo? Seriously?

    Well op, in some cases it is illegal, but some of these "police" will use this law all the time. For instance, when you take a photo of a group of gardai beatinga cyclist on the ground with sticks. There are some scum gardai out there that will simply abuse this law, like they will with any other law. Instead of being assholes about it, they could have explained it to you in a manner that was not threatening. Resisting arest, that's a classic one. Used all the time.


  • #45
    Saibh
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    Konnor Kind Greenhouse wrote: »
    It's not really... Actually it's quite simple to see that he is taking the mick. You actually think he had an AK47 and a balaclava on?
    No I didn't think he had an AK47 and a balaclava - just didn't see the point in him adding it as the rest of the post seemed serious enough.


  • #46
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.

    /facepalm


  • #47
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Just wear a Rangers or Linfield shirt when you're taking photos in future, OP.


  • #48
    Dave!
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    Dunno if it's been mentioned already, but there were incidents recently in the north where individual PSNI officers were targetted and attacked on sectarian grounds. With that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me if it were illegal to photograph their faces. It certainly makes it easier to target someone if you have photos of them.


  • #49
    Wertz
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    dannym08 wrote: »
    well seen as its in Britain and all....



    It's not Britian...it's part of the UK...get your facts straight before trying to stir up sh*te.

    As for the photography? Essentially it's treated as gathering information or data that may be of use to terrorists under specific laws that pre-date anything the rest of the UK may have imposed.
    It carries heavy penalties if proved in court...
    Heavy handed? Perhaps. Warranted. Probably...when the threat exists for dissidents to want to strap an explosive device under the car in your driveway, it's probably better that they don't have a picture of you, your family, your home or your car or any data that might allow them to target you more easily. A picture of you and your colleagues in uniform can be considered useful in that regard, if it falls into the wrong hands.


    Oh and it's seeing not seen...since you're such a fan of Britain perhaps you could learn to speak it's first language properly...


  • #50
    Dudess
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    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Basically you stood wearing a balaclava taking photos of 3 policemen in NORTHERN Ireland and wondered why they stopped you?

    Of course they fecking stopped you, for all they know your taking their photo to hand out to the bloody terroists.
    I know. AND he was brandishing an AK47... :mad:


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The video of the guy that get confronted by the Police, and they walk away at the end (posted on page 2, i think).


    I actually wish he had to have gotten arrested for something. Anything at all. I can understand he may been legally able to record them, but doesn't he have to give his name when asked? His attitude sucked something hard, too.

    And shouting down the street after them?

    Surely they could have done him for slander or something like that? I don't like the Police to abuse their powers or anything, but if you're gonna be an uncooperative, complete fcuking moron... Then you deserve to be inconvenienced, at the least.


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  • #52
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    On the topic of police on video tape, I present you this fine master piece.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXK6PGsrSdo


  • #53
    9wetfckx43j5rg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭9wetfckx43j5rg


    jumpguy wrote: »
    He was joking. Do you really think he was carrying around an AK (an automatic weapon)?

    I didn't read the ak bit.

    But this iss After Hours so you never know


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sheeps wrote: »
    On the topic of police on video tape, I present you this fine master piece.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXK6PGsrSdo


    Yeah, came across that video a few days ago whilst randomly browsing el tubo.

    I hope he got a hiding.


  • #55
    FruitLover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    Sunny Swift Semiconductor wrote: »
    Why has no one yet mentioned that OP was wearing a balaclava!!

    Hi, I have some fine leather jackets and time-share apartments you might be interested in... Incidentally, did you hear that they removed the word 'gullible' from the dictionary?! :pac:
    Wertz wrote: »
    since you're such a fan of Britain perhaps you could learn to speak it's first language properly...

    Ahem...
    Deleted User wrote: »
    if you're gonna be an uncooperative, complete fcuking moron... Then you deserve to be inconvenienced, at the least.

    You think they should be able to hassle him for no actual reason in his own home?? :confused:


  • #56
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Wertz wrote: »
    It's not Britian...it's part of the UK...get your facts straight before trying to stir up sh*te.

    Ah same differnce. Citizens Northen Ireland have British passports and are protected by the British army. and i wasnt trying to stir up shite, this is after hours ffs, stuff like that is said all the time:rolleyes:
    Oh and it's seeing not seen...since you're such a fan of Britain perhaps you could learn to speak it's first language properly...

    could you point out where exactly I said I was a fan of Britain:confused:


  • #57
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Are we approaching the 800 Years slip-road on the Norn Iron Thread motorway yet?


  • #58
    ManBurger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭ManBurger


    Ye same thing happened to me, except I was videoing kids in the playground - I mean they should have no right to stop me, public area and that (Im a pro photographer and collect erotic art)


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    FruitLover wrote: »
    You think they should be able to hassle him for no actual reason in his own home?? :confused:

    No, but I do think he should be respectful toward them.


  • #60
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    FruitLover wrote: »
    Ahem...
    Guilty as charged.
    dannym08 wrote: »
    Ah same differnce. Citizens Northen Ireland have British passports and are protected by the British army. and i wasnt trying to stir up shite, this is after hours ffs, stuff like that is said all the time:rolleyes:



    could you point out where exactly I said I was a fan of Britain:confused:


    Same difference. Lovely. Also known as the "but sure who gives a f*ck really" defence.
    Legally known as The UK of Britain and NI...but sure Britain will do for the whole lot, yeah?

    I couldn't point it out, no...it's inferred by your lax attitude toward using the proper term for where it is you're referring to...and that in turn just looks like stirring sh*t...if it was done through ignorance then grand...but you apparently know the difference. Just because it's AH isn't really an excuse.
    But sure who gives a f*ck really...


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  • #61
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    ManBurger wrote: »
    Ye same thing happened to me, except I was videoing kids in the playground - I mean they should have no right to stop me, public area and that (Im a pro photographer and collect erotic art)

    and you wonder why they stopped you:pac:


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