pedo gets a slap on the wrist

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 12:05PM

getz wrote: »

there is double standards in ireland one for the pedo in the streets,and one for the pedo in the church,

What are you getting at?

Dudess · 14-11-2009 12:18PM

omahaid wrote: »

I genuinely am confused at people who are anti death penalty when there are people like him in the world. I wonder do they want their children murdered and raped? Why else would you let him exist?

'Course they do... :rolleyes:

omahaid · 14-11-2009 12:21PM

Dudess wrote: »

'Course they do... :rolleyes:

I agree with you 100% :eek:

getz · 14-11-2009 12:24PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

What are you getting at?

the pedo in the street will be found and brought to justice[what ever that may be]the pedo in the church more times than not gets away with it,with help from the church,and as for his victims,if they can prove who did it,will get their compensation paid out by the tax payer[you] not the church, meanwhile the pedo is sent to some far flung third world nation to practice his perversion.give or take a year later ,we all move on and condemn a judge because his decision does not live up to our expectations,

latenia · 14-11-2009 12:25PM

So let me get this straight; you all think paedophiles are bad and should be punished? Fascinating.

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 12:25PM

I have said it so many times that I have now changed my sig to it.
He threatens the innocent who spares the guilty.

Dudess · 14-11-2009 12:27PM

omahaid wrote: »

To paraphrase Sir Humphrey Appleby "This country will have all the crime it is prepared to pay for". If we weren't willing to pay for this disgusting cun)ts, i.e. we were happy to torture and kill them, then there would be less of them FACT.

How is that a fact? The death penalty hasn't proven to be a deterrant, for one.

omahaid · 14-11-2009 12:32PM

Dudess wrote: »

How is that a fact? The death penalty hasn't proven to be a deterrant, for one.

I suspect society might be the healthier without certain citizens.

Dudess · 14-11-2009 12:44PM

Well I don't think torture fantasies are too healthy either - irrespective of who they're directed at. I'd be happier not to live in a society like Saudi Arabia myself.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 12:46PM

getz wrote: »

the pedo in the street will be found and brought to justice[what ever that may be]the pedo in the church more times than not gets away with it,with help from the church,and as for his victims,if they can prove who did it,will get their compensation paid out by the tax payer[you] not the church, meanwhile the pedo is sent to some far flung third world nation to practice his perversion.give or take a year later ,we all move on and condemn a judge because his decision does not live up to our expectations,

I don't think that is the case. The fact is the church is dying rapidly in this country. And let's be honest about this, it wasn't just the church protecting them, a certain amount people attending the church and refusing to discuss the matter are just as dangerous to children.

omahaid · 14-11-2009 12:49PM

Dudess wrote: »

Well I don't think torture fantasies are too healthy either - irrespective of who they're directed at. I'd be happier not to live in a society like Saudi Arabia myself.

Well if the majority are happy to tolerate child rapists in public then thats fine, otherwise we need to examine whether we want to rehabilitate them if possible and if not...

My name is URL · 14-11-2009 12:50PM

Pedophillia is a mental disorder after all (DSM-IV 302.2)

I don't think killing those people would solve the problem, it just sweeps the issue under the rug, and it'll become ignored as a problem

Any other mental disorder requires and is granted treatment and studies into it, so should this one, imo

omahaid · 14-11-2009 12:52PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Pedophillia is a mental disorder after all (DSM-IV 302.2)

I don't think killing those people would solve the problem, it just sweeps the issue under the rug, and it'll become ignored as a problem

Any other mental disorder requires and is granted treatment and studies into it, so should this one, imo

I agree that rehabilitation is preferable, but it cannot be possible in all cases and as a society we do not have an option for that: it is either rehabilitation or reoffending.

My name is URL · 14-11-2009 12:58PM

omahaid wrote: »

I agree that rehabilitation is preferable, but it cannot be possible in all cases and as a society we do not have an option for that: it is either rehabilitation or reoffending.

The Granada Institute is specifically for the rehabilitation and study of sexual offenders. And the guy in question is being treated there

Locking people up in jail without any sort of rehab doesn't work obviously, recidivism is very high in those cases.. and much lower when proper rehab is included.

It's still not a perfect system, but it's a step in the right direction

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 01:02PM

The death penalty does not solve anything and does not deter people either, hence there are people on death row. However justice has to be served and the root of the problem has to be dealt with, otherwise we go around in circles with repeat offenders and the innocent among us (I wonder how many of us are innocent) are at risk.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:03PM

I found out a couple of months ago that a mate of mine was charged with looking a child pornography. He admitted to the charges and told my other mate (the one who told me) that it was a one-off. It since transpires that he had hundreds of images and videos on his computer. He has also been charged with the intent to distribute. It took me a while to come to terms that someone I know and had went drinking with could do something like this.

Fortunately I'm in Oz and so I don't really have to deal with it until I come home. Having said that, I'm unlikely to have anything to do with him again.

Handsome Bob · 14-11-2009 01:07PM

Every time I hear these stories I always wonder the same thing; how ****ing stupid can you be to have these images on your computer? Or in your house? Or to actually have them on your credit card? These guys don't even care that they are leaving themselves wide open to be caught. Combine that with the actual act of viewing or taking part in such disgusting behaviour and you realise just how utterly reckless these people are. And if you're that reckless, then you're forever going to be a danger to society.

Dudess · 14-11-2009 01:07PM

omahaid wrote: »

Well if the majority are happy to tolerate child rapists in public then thats fine

I have my doubts anyone, bar the very odd exception, would have any tolerance for child rapists in public.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:09PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Every time I hear these stories I always wonder the same thing; how ****ing stupid can you be to have these images on your computer? Or in your house? Or to actually have them on your credit card?

Well this is it. The desire to view these things is obviously so great that it's worth the risk.

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 01:13PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I found out a couple of months ago that a mate of mine was charged with looking a child pornography. He admitted to the charges and told my other mate (the one who told me) that it was a one-off. It since transpires that he had hundreds of images and videos on his computer. He has also been charged with the intent to distribute. It took me a while to come to terms that someone I know and had went drinking with could do something like this.

Fortunately I'm in Oz and so I don't really have to deal with it until I come home. Having said that, I'm unlikely to have anything to do with him again.

I don't envy you it is a hard situation, unfortunately they dont have it stamped on their heads so except for that deed he was probably a normal enough bloke and so how can you tell. That said if we could tell what would we do, never talk to him again, beat the life out of him or help him so he does no harm?

getz · 14-11-2009 01:15PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I don't think that is the case. The fact is the church is dying rapidly in this country. And let's be honest about this, it wasn't just the church protecting them, a certain amount people attending the church and refusing to discuss the matter are just as dangerous to children.

in ireland the church could do anything they wanted,without being questioned,in the eyes of the goverment and the people,they were always right,so who is going to question a bad priest ?certainly not his flock,if found out not to be up to standard ,the church would cover it up by sending him off to other places,the police and goverment officials would turn a blind eye,this is not a opinion its down in the goverments own reports,the part that annoys me is that the irish goverment quickly passed a bill so the irish tax payer would pick up most of the tab and not the church ,many of the victims have had to take their claims and justice against the church,to other countries outside of ireland, to me i do not know what penalty for a pedo, although its shocking and sick to us,we also have to remember that in many islamic countries girls aged 9 year old are married/sold off, its a very inflammatory subject

Handsome Bob · 14-11-2009 01:19PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Well this is it. The desire to view these things is obviously so great that it's worth the risk.

Well then they are not mentally fit to take part in society. If this urge is so strong that they can't thing properly about the repercussions then that person is a danger to society. To give him a suspended sentence is just baffling, I would have thrown him into a mental hospital, or at the very least insist that he has regular visits with a psychiatrist.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:20PM

Murphyt wrote: »

I don't envy you it is a hard situation, unfortunately they dont have it stamped on their heads so except for that deed he was probably a normal enough bloke and so how can you tell. That said if we could tell what would we do, never talk to him again, beat the life out of him or help him so he does no harm?

Well I have 6 or 7 months before I go home so plenty of time to decide what to do.

El Siglo · 14-11-2009 01:23PM

Hang the bastard! This country is so fucked up. We'll put people to jail for not paying their credit card debts, and this sick **** has 16,000 images and 1,800 videos of child sex abuse. I'm disgusted, this cunt is an animal not even human, I hope the sick fucker does commit suicide.

My name is URL wrote:

Pedophillia is a mental disorder after all (DSM-IV 302.2)

So are the countless mental disorders victims of child abuse face, but you don't see the Granada Institute helping these, or indeed any kind of institute. What Arches and 1 in 4? Pedophiles get put up in the Granada Institute at the expense of the tax payer, there's a quick simple way to sort them out; beat them within an inch of their lives (make sure they're left debilitated), castrate and return to society. Because I doubt a crippled eunuch would ever think of re-offending.

actuallylike · 14-11-2009 01:26PM

The absolute disgrace of some of the people in this thread, unbelievable stupidity and cruelty. Haven't a clue what they're talking about. This man is sick...SICK! Now what do we do with people who are sick? Well I would have thought try and figure out what's wrong with them and possibly offer a cure but no, according to people here, castration, torture and death is the only treatment. This guy deserves to be treated and analysed, not thrown to a pack of wolves.
Some of the comments here are very Third Reichish, "let him commit suicide, we don't need him anyway". You people are unbelievable!

old boy · 14-11-2009 01:27PM

reading some of the posts people seem to forget, how do we as a society protect infants and kids from having bastards like him viewing this king of stuff, with a market for it, the kids will suffer, the sentence has to be strong enough to send the message out, that if you are in any way responsible for harming kids then you must suffer, this and other dispicable excuses for humans are just as responsible for the kids pain as the people that inflict it.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:30PM

actuallylike wrote: »

The absolute disgrace of some of the people in this thread, unbelievable stupidity and cruelty. Haven't a clue what they're talking about. This man is sick...SICK!

The problem is that paedophila can't be cured, it's like alcoholism. And the consequences of re-offending are much worse with paedophila.

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 01:31PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Well I have 6 or 7 months before I go home so plenty of time to decide what to do.

I appologise for making presumptions about you but I get the feeling that at this point you will have little to do with him and from what you have said he should be in the hands of justice now especially with intent to distribute.
The thing is if we knew before someone commited the offence would we help them or wash our hands of them, would it be too much for us to handle, a lot of work would have to be put in and there would be no trust either.
I dont know where I would fall in this myself as having a child the thoughts of this type of thing shakes me to the core and brings out the worst, but can it be prevented or are we p*ssing in the wind.

Dudess · 14-11-2009 01:34PM

old boy wrote: »

reading some of the posts people seem to forget, how do we as a society protect infants and kids from having bastards like him

How do people "seem to forget"? They don't agree with torture? I think that's a pretty good message to send out to kids actually.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:37PM

Murphyt wrote: »

The thing is if we knew before someone commited the offence would we help them or wash our hands of them, would it be too much for us to handle, a lot of work would have to be put in and there would be no trust either.

Well, there's a big difference between thinking you would like child porn and actually downloading it. You'd get more understanding if you sought help beforehand.

pedo gets a slap on the wrist

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