Anyone else still holding out?

steevee · 11-11-2009 09:19PM

i've just given up

Steffano2002 · 11-11-2009 09:21PM

steevee wrote: »

i've just given up

What do you mean? You went out and bought it?

wayne040576 · 11-11-2009 09:43PM

I decided I wasn't buying this game a good while ago when Activision said they were going to charge an extra 10 quid because they could and knew people would pay it.

Before that, I had actually planned to get the pc version. I'm not a huge pc gamer other than strategy and exclusive fps games. Actually got cod4 on the 360. But I wanted to try this on the pc. Won't be now.

I was listening to that COD podcast bash. They seem to be putting all their hopes in treyarch now since they are still releasing pc updates for cod5 a year later.

wayne040576 · 11-11-2009 09:53PM

Just as an aside to my last post. I think this is an Activision policy being implemented more than an IW one. Look at starcraft II. Blizzard have removed lan support from that implementing a similar system with the revamped Battle net. Same parent company.
I wonder if the law has been passed down to all their divisions telling them they have to implement the net code this way. They can implement it themselves, call it what they want but it has to have a particular feature set??

It will be interesting to see what happens with future titles from them.

cian1500ww · 11-11-2009 09:59PM

Up in college till Friday, game's been sitting at home waiting for me

Onearmedbandit · 11-11-2009 10:10PM

Bhoy_ wrote: »

I just wanted to correct your obvious ignorance.

My obvious ignorance? If you look at my posting history you will see I have previously posted on the topic. I am aware of the various items that were on COD4 that are not on the current version. My point is that even in the case of the PC version it does not make it a poor gaming experience.

I am sure that the game would be a better one with the previous functionality that COD 4 had and I admire your principles but I don't agree that it is an "insult to gaming" as you so put it.

weisses · 11-11-2009 10:51PM

I wanted to boycott it but caved in ..

IMO ... you must play the bloody game to form an opinion about how it feels how the matchmaking works etc etc .... and I'm not that negative i must say

It would totally kick ass if they manage to get dedi's back in

I' ve played fps sins the MoH hunt demo ..

I form an opinion on experience .....

Dinner · 12-11-2009 12:02AM

weisses wrote: »

IMO ... you must play the bloody game to form an opinion about how it feels how the matchmaking works etc etc .... and I'm not that negative i must say

I'm not paying 50 or 60 euro to form an opinion.

It was a masterstroke to not bother with a demo, since some people would pay money for an (apparently) short single player and the chance to form an opinion on multiplayer.

Steffano2002 · 12-11-2009 12:08AM

€50/€60 blips for a 4-hour game with "limited" online potential... No thanks :rolleyes:

Onearmedbandit · 12-11-2009 12:18AM

Steffano2002 wrote: »

€50/€60 blips for a 4-hour game with "limited" online potential... No thanks :rolleyes:

Its a four hour game if you play on Regular and that is only single player.

There is also Spec ops mode which will take you longer than single player to complete and this can be done with a friend (I have done so and its brilliant plus its another 4 hours at least plus replay value).

Multiplayer with its noted deficiencies makes up for it and goes beyond in the new features (i.e. better killstreaks, perks, cusomisation, weapons, attachments, maps and settings).

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

Steffano2002 · 12-11-2009 12:27AM

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

jonski · 12-11-2009 01:49AM

I decided after reading about the changes to MP that I would hold off buying it for a week or so and see what reports were coming back . I just read one there from Cherryghost saying that trying to get a MP game going with friends was a pain and tbh thats my main reason for buying any game . I will wait and read some more before making a final decision . I notice all but one of the guys on teamspeak have done the same so I am not missing out on anything yet .

Kinetic^ · 12-11-2009 02:43AM

After Cherryghost's review yesterday I decided to pick it up for the PC. It went live a few hours ago but I was busy finishing off COD4 again.

Will play it tomorrow evening or friday.

Chorcai · 12-11-2009 10:22AM

I was going to get this, but will wait untill its on sale, anyone seen the reviews on steam ? Shocking stuff.

http://apps.metacritic.com//games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=11201:8Zm3TSjjMpDg0hvGk6mXfw**

humanji · 12-11-2009 11:07AM

Chorcai wrote: »

I was going to get this, but will wait untill its on sale, anyone seen the reviews on steam ? Shocking stuff.

http://apps.metacritic.com//games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=11201:8Zm3TSjjMpDg0hvGk6mXfw**

In fairness, a lot of those reviews are from prissy little kids having a hissy fit because of the features the game doesn't have. They don't mention anythig the game does have. You could bet a large portion of them havn't even played it and just want to bash it.

The SP is excellent, but very short. The story is a bit of a mess, but that's in line with modern blockbuster movies, which the game is trying to emulate.

The MP is also pretty good if you're a casual gamer. I can see why clans and the like would hate it as they've f*ck all control and setting up clan matches must be a nightmare. But the game's aimed at a particlar market and hits its target.

Even though there are claims that the game was made idiot friendly in order to make more money from DLC and the like, I get the feeling that IW weren't trying to make this game compete with other MP games. There's loads of MP games coming out that will wipe the floor with the CoD games with regards to features and game content, so it seems to me that IW were simply making something with short term appeal that could also be used to test their MP software.

Dcully · 12-11-2009 11:26AM

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

Its a four hour game if you play on Regular and that is only single player.

There is also Spec ops mode which will take you longer than single player to complete and this can be done with a friend (I have done so and its brilliant plus its another 4 hours at least plus replay value).

Multiplayer with its noted deficiencies makes up for it and goes beyond in the new features (i.e. better killstreaks, perks, cusomisation, weapons, attachments, maps and settings).

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

Fully agree,fair enough and fair play to you lads sticking to your guns if thats what you want to do but in all honesty your missing out in an amazing online fps.
While ive only being playing the 360 version i had a go of the pc version online lastnight in a friends house and just like the 360 version online was flawless.
Matchmaking is silky smooth and your ingame in seconds.
We had no issues grouping up and joining games with friends at all.
Ofcourse there are no dedi servers but in all fairness its the game i personally want these days more so than what dedi servers offer.
I mean i can play when i want with friends with silky smooth gameplay and not a hint of lag.
At the risk of being shot down i honestly think SOME pc gamers are overly reacting.
Im not saying you should buy MW2 but to label the game as crap is just pathetic.
Its a fantastic game and to me plays every bit as good as any dedicated server based fps.
Ofcourse i would prefer it we had dedi servers but we cant so make the best of it.
Once you get over that and you experience just how fast and smooth it is to get ingame you will wonder what all the fuss is about.
You have the ability to host your own private match, i did on release day and had 18 people in game and it was flawless on my 3mb eircom connection.

Again as ive said before i fully agree with people from clans and communities being vocal about their concerns as they have lost their community meeting point ie their dedicated server but for your average joe that wants a great online fps its a fantastic experience as it is.
The game itself is a massive step forward [something i didnt expect] the matchmaking is superb,i cant stress that enough.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but to brand MW2 crap without playing it is just mindless and blind ignorance.
Some people like to keep up their crusade to make them feel better and justify their decision not to buy the game.
To them i say dedicated servers are not included - end of.
In its place is a superb matchmaking service that is easily the best ive ever experienced.
Remember folks not every pc gamer lives and dies by clans and dedi servers.
While the matchmaking service is not what dedi fans want its the next best thing and a lot better than most people think.
Personally i just want to get online and enjoy the epic COD gameplay and frag people which is exactly what im doing you dont need dedi servers for this guys

PS: my opinions expressed above are based on multiplayer.
I will be buying the PC version aswell as the 2 i have for the 360 as ive friends playing on both formats.

Hercule · 12-11-2009 11:27AM

I get the feeling that IW weren't trying to make this game compete with other MP games. There's loads of MP games coming out that will wipe the floor with the CoD games with regards to features and game content, so it seems to me that IW were simply making something with short term appeal that could also be used to test their MP software.

Interesting point, CoD could never compete with the likes of the source games or even the BF series when it came to cusomisation/mods. It would prob cost more time and money then it was worth to IW to try expand on the customisation available in CoD4. Having said that IW (not activision) have shown that they are severely out of touch with the PC community

I see several people saying IWnet works fairly well, from my experience I disagree but w/e, I imagine I have higher expectations then the average PC gamer.

Of course the hosts are going to find the gameplay smooth - that is the issue with P2P in the first place. Played the game in neighbours house got 3 bars (pathetic graphical representation of ping tbh) - the game wont be visually laggy but you will be playing with a ping over 120. The game does a good job of masking the difference with forgiving hit-registration. Most casual users wont see a difference between this and what they are used to - I certainly did (and I am not trying to convince myself to justify my argument ).

I dont see why IW felt a customer like me is worth less then another - even if I am to ignore the dedi servers/console/modding tools mess. My expectations are still not met and i have followed the CoD series religiously since CoD1 - its annoying to have to skip a step in the CoD franchise but they obviously dont want my loyalty/money.

Ajfunky · 12-11-2009 11:43AM

Surely, if you think the game is gonna be bad/ is bad, you arent "Boycotting" the game. Thats a fairly self righteous if i do say so meself. There are thousands of games then that you are probably "boycotting" just cos they're a pile of crap.

IF however it is a good game, then you are jus losing out on having fun, and for the sake of activision losing a few dollars from a few thousand pc gamers (which they've already made back tenfold on consoles) is there much point?

So either dont buy a crap game and buy a better game, or a buy a good game and have fun. Its not boycotting in anyway.

funkyjebus · 12-11-2009 11:46AM

Hellm0 wrote: »

Anyone else stll holding out?

You mean anyone else still missing out because of a stupid reason?

No, I'm smart like that, I bought it and decided I didn't want to eat my hand to spite my arm.

humanji · 12-11-2009 12:08PM

funkyjebus wrote: »

You mean anyone else still missing out because of a stupid reason?

No, I'm smart like that, I bought it and decided I didn't want to eat my hand to spite my arm.

That's a bit overly harsh. I may not agree with them, but at least they're showing conviction. And if you wanted a game to play with a clan, why would you get a game that wasn't friendly to clan use?

Ajfunky · 12-11-2009 12:10PM

humanji wrote: »

That's a bit overly harsh. I may not agree with them, but at least they're showing conviction. And if you wanted a game to play with a clan, why would you get a game that wasn't friendly to clan use?

Fair enough, but dont think your "sticking it to the man" not buying a game you dont like.

Hercule · 12-11-2009 12:17PM

Im sure the folks in IW at the top of their tower in the middle of Mordor feel the pinch when they see that their financial figures are down by €40 or w/e :rolleyes:

we all know its only a drop in the ocean to IW.

funkyjebus · 12-11-2009 12:19PM

humanji wrote: »

That's a bit overly harsh. I may not agree with them, but at least they're showing conviction. And if you wanted a game to play with a clan, why would you get a game that wasn't friendly to clan use?

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Not at all mate, if a game doesn't have features you want then you don't hold out or boycott it, thats stupid. You get something else or make do.

If you wanted a car, and you liked everything about it, but it didn't let say have a/c would you boycott the manufacture so that they might listen to your crys.

No you deal with no a/c or keep looking for another car. Thats life, sh1ts never perfect, don't moan and cry about it. Where do you stop, Tesco didn't have my flavour of Jam....BOYCOTT!!

Silly, Silly, Silly

battser · 12-11-2009 12:24PM

I am very suprised to see all the negitivity from everyone about this game on the PC! Its a bit of a joke TBH!

Thing is Iw will know they fcuked up and will get dedi servers sorted by xmas(I hope) but I still think they will

Where the hell are people going on about wasting 50-60 quid on a game for SP and limited MP. Its 40 quid and u'd be silly to pay more for a pc game! Either way and regardless of the price Iw have produced a superb game overall. I am a massive pc MP fan and have been playing MW1 and CSS for years now and yes although I am a bit upset that there are no dedi servers I still wont go onto forums and talk sh!te like most people are on this thread and the main one on steam.

This may get a ban but its my opinion! The people giving out are just arrogant gits who think they should get the best MP experience ahead of anyone else and instead of getting on with things and enjoying a good game they would rather b!tch and cry like girls!

Fact of the matter is this MP isn't as good without Dedi servers but when you eventually get playing its a great experience and you will play all night if you dont have a host migration issue! 3hours I played last night non stop with Fook all lag and not one host migration. Yes earlier in the day I was having that issue but thats just something you shud deal with! its not a reason to Boycott a game! in fact the thoughts of boycotting a game for the reasons in the OP is Pure Dense! Which Boasts pure arrogance on the sulking parties.

funkyjebus · 12-11-2009 12:27PM

battser wrote: »

I am very suprised to see all the negitivity from everyone about this game on the PC! Its a bit of a joke TBH!

Thing is Iw will know they fcuked up and will get dedi servers sorted by xmas(I hope) but I still think they will

Where the hell are people going on about wasting 50-60 quid on a game for SP and limited MP. Its 40 quid and u'd be silly to pay more for a pc game! Either way and regardless of the price Iw have produced a superb game overall. I am a massive pc MP fan and have been playing MW1 and CSS for years now and yes although I am a bit upset that there are no dedi servers I still wont go onto forums and talk sh!te like most people are on this thread and the main one on steam.

This may get a ban but its my opinion! The people giving out are just arrogant gits who think they should get the best MP experience ahead of anyone else and instead of getting on with things and enjoying a good game they would rather b!tch and cry like girls!

Fact of the matter is this MP isn't as good without Dedi servers but when you eventually get playing its a great experience and you will play all night if you dont have a host migration issue! 3hours I played last night non stop with Fook all lag and not one host migration. Yes earlier in the day I was having that issue but thats just something you shud deal with! its not a reason to Boycott a game! in fact the thoughts of boycotting a game for the reasons in the OP is Pure Dense! Which Boasts pure arrogance on the sulking parties.

+1 to battser - Telling like it is to all the sulking girls.

Kinetic^ · 12-11-2009 12:32PM

Hi lads, people have their opinions. No need to resort to schoolboy name calling. Thanks.

Dr Bob · 12-11-2009 12:39PM

the TLDR of it is ,
If you're a console gamer it's great.
If you're a PC gamer avoid.

The PC version is missing most of advantages a PC version normally has over its console cousin's i.e. adaptability , (servers are locked down and because of their nature support a tiny amount of players at once ) , maps are locked down , no mods , no console [i.e. text command to let you change settings join servers etc}...hell no lean keys!),
More than likely Acti/blizzard are doing this so that they can release console style DLC , (maps for cash$$!) which to PC gamers who are used to getting "better than the game itself" mod's for free is just crazy.
Oh and it's RRP is much more than the average game and yet theres no actual extra features (apparently being able to change resolution and text chat are extra features!!...a bit like calling tyres on a car features that! ).

So you're really just paying more for a gimped product , forgetting about the whole voting with your euro's thing , do you really want to give your money away for something you're going to get very little enjoyment from?

PC gaming is dying basically because its easier for companies to make money from consoles due to the "closed system" they use.

Now ...can someone give me the money to buy a 360?, as at this rate there'll be nothing decent for me to put on the PC other than WoW and whatever translated Korean MMORPG has been released this week:)

battser · 12-11-2009 12:43PM

Kinetic^ wrote: »

Hi lads, people have their opinions. No need to resort to schoolboy name calling. Thanks.

Yeah Apologies if people think Im using words that are immature! Just my personal op. Said my piece but one bit of advice for the people who are not happy with things.

Dont be mad and angry about it! Just get the game play it and enjoy it! We all know or have a good feeling that dedi servers will be included in the first patch for the game!

Y2J_MUFC · 12-11-2009 12:45PM

funkyjebus wrote: »

Tesco didn't have my flavour of Jam....BOYCOTT!!

No jam

:(:(

Hellm0 wrote: »

I consider consoles an aberration, therefore when I refer to "gaming"(in the context of electronic games), I am referring to the PC gaming experience.

Each to their own. Calling consoles an "aberration" isn't going to win you any sympathy, boycotting the game isn't going to effect the bottom line of IW/Activision given the ridiculously high sales figures. The whole stance is completely and utterly pointless, but have fun with it anyways.

battser · 12-11-2009 12:50PM

luas_dublin wrote: »

the TLDR of it is ,
Oh and it's RRP is much more than the average game and yet theres no actual extra features (apparently being able to change resolution and text chat are extra features!!...a bit like calling tyres on a car features that! ).

So you're really just paying more for a gimped product , forgetting about the whole voting with your euro's thing , do you really want to give your money away for something you're going to get very little enjoyment from?

sry mate but this is pure fabrication!! 40 euro is what I paid and for a new game just released that is just about right if not a bit cheaper than the game and gamestop thieves!

Anyone else still holding out?

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