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11th Hour of the 11th Day of the 11th Month

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    We didn't shoot anybody today, does that count?

    NTM


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    "It was the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month, we'd gone to the school to discuss the faulty calenders"

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dáibhí


    ... now the two of them have formed a new empire and are still hell bent on ruling Europe.

    Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment of a true British eurosceptic. How the once mighty have fallen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dáibhí


    PS: I see the leaders of Germany and France held a joint commemoration of WWI today - and no sign of either of them wearing the British poppy. So much for the British nationalist propaganda here about their poppy being an internationally accepted and used symbol.

    Here's the picture, by the way: http://www.irishtimes.com/world/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dáibhí


    Ireland?

    Eh, no, that country which 'celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch' and endulges in 'that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence' would - surprise, surprise - be Britain. Witness the flag-waving John Bull rhetoric from the British media for the past month where those who refuse to wear the British poppy are vilified.

    Meanwhile, more civilised European countries like France and Germany are joining together to hold a joint commemoration remembering the dead on both sides. That is dignity. The contrast speaks volumes for the nationalism at the heart of this British "remembrance", which certain people here are so keen to glorify and push upon Irish people as something other than a display of British nationalism and, it seems in your case, euroscepticism.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Eh, no, that country which 'celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch' and endulges in 'that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence' would - surprise, surprise - be Britain. Witness the flag-waving John Bull rhetoric from the British media for the past month where those who refuse to wear the British poppy are vilified.

    Meanwhile, more civilised European countries like France and Germany are joining together to hold a joint commemoration remembering the dead on both sides. That is dignity. The contrast speaks volumes for the nationalism at the heart of this British "remembrance", which certain people here are so keen to glorify and push upon Irish people as something other than a display of British nationalism and, it seems in your case, euroscepticism.

    Out of curiosity, are you very short?

    I thought this was about remembrance day, why are you off on another anti British rant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    "It was the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month, we'd gone to the school to discuss the faulty calenders"


    Lousy Smarch weather...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment of a true British eurosceptic. How the once mighty have fallen.

    Tone it down, or you'll be taking a break from After Hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    PS: I see the leaders of Germany and France held a joint commemoration of WWI today - and no sign of either of them wearing the British poppy. So much for the British nationalist propaganda here about their poppy being an internationally accepted and used symbol.

    Here's the picture, by the way: http://www.irishtimes.com/world/

    Plart.
    The poppy's significance to Remembrance Day is a result of British (Canadian Corps) military physician John McCrae's poem In Flanders Fields. The poppy emblem was chosen because of the poppies that bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their red colour an appropriate symbol for the bloodshed of trench warfare. An American YMCA Overseas War Secretaries employee, Moina Michael, was inspired to make 25 silk poppies based on McCrae's poem, which she distributed to attendees of the YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' Conference.[30] She then made an effort to have the poppy adopted as a national symbol of remembrance, and succeeded in having the National American Legion Conference adopt it two years later. At this conference, a Frenchwoman, Anna E. Guérin, was inspired to introduce the widely used artificial poppies given out today. In 1921 she sent her poppy sellers to London, England, where they were adopted by Field Marshall Douglas Haig, a founder of the Royal British Legion, as well as by veterans' groups in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
    A small number of people choose to wear white poppies, which they claim emphasises a desire for peaceful alternatives to military action. Some people regard this as being offensive.
    The Royal Canadian Legion suggests that poppies be worn on the left lapel, or as close to the heart as possible

    Nothing there about Germans or French ever adopting the Poppy. Apart from the French chick at teh American Legion Conference. But not as nations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dáibhí


    I thought this was about remembrance day, why are you off on another anti British rant.

    Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

    Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Bill-e


    I think it was an amicable thing to go off and do. I'm not sure that our govt should organise an official commemoration or anything. However, just as these lads chose to go out and fight we can choose to commemorate them if we feel like it.

    We weren't officially involved in that war... So we shouldn't officially organise anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭Dáibhí


    WindSock wrote: »
    Plart.



    Nothing there about Germans or French ever adopting the Poppy. Apart from the French chick at teh American Legion Conference. But not as nations.


    ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

    I'm Irish born and bred, only ever been to Heathrow Airport on a stop-over, no connections at all with the British military or British nationalism... and I wear a poppy. Cut the crap will you? You've been told all this before but go around spout the same nonsense on every thread. How about if you don't like it, you ignore the thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    ...Here we go again ....

    We, the Irish, do commemorate our veterans, namely the people who fought for this country. If you want to celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch, well it isn't really difficult to find the country where that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence goes on.

    They were young men who died in another country. Many had their reasons for going, most probably nothing to do with the Crown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Two minutes of silence in the UK. A lot of companies build it into the working day and it is often announced over PA systems. Pretty much everyone observes it.

    Was at Newcastle International airport today and that happened,

    observed 2 minutes silence as did all those around me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

    Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?

    I don't think Fratton Fred is pushing it upon us. I think he is rightly reminding us that many Irish died in the WW1.
    There are still a lot of people who are unaware of that fact. Unaware because it was ignored. I don't think that is fair to the brave men who believed they were fighting and dying to protect their countries interests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment


    mmmm that's good irony!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

    Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?

    the Poppy thread got locked mate.

    Armistice day is remembered in many places, France and Belgium even have a national day off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Dáibhí wrote: »
    ??

    Sorry to clarify there.
    Don't mind my Plart bit. Just an expletive. It means nothing.


    On the Poppy; It does't seem to be accepted worldwide. It seems to be a commonwealth thing, so I would imagine that is why France and Germany haven't adopted it.

    I wore one earlier in the year on ANZAC day, as I attended a ceremony with my boyfriend who had relatives die in the Sommes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Yep, we had a two minutes silence at school. Everyone observed it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    brummytom wrote: »
    Yep, we had a two minutes silence at school. Everyone observed it.

    Good man. It is right that it is remembered in English schools. If the Irish want to remember it that is up to them, but they should at least show some respect, unlike the scumbags at Celtic who sung through the two minutes silence on Sunday.

    Fair enough, they were probably wannabe Irish nationalists, but as they were in Scotland they could have at least shown some respect for the Scottish soldiers and indeed past Celtic players, who died in various wars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    I was asleep so technically I did it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Good man. It is right that it is remembered in English schools. If the Irish want to remember it that is up to them, but they should at least show some respect, unlike the scumbags at Celtic who sung through the two minutes silence on Sunday.

    Fair enough, they were probably wannabe Irish nationalists, but as they were in Scotland they could have at least shown some respect for the Scottish soldiers and indeed past Celtic players, who died in various wars.

    Being a Catholic school, a great deal (80-90%) of the students have Irish roots (normally grand-parents), of these, many I've spoken to have had their Irish family serve in the Army (myself included).

    Our headmistress is from Derry; you might expect her to have very bitter feelings towards the army but she's very keen to remember those who've died.

    And those morons who decided to have a sing-song are disrespectful scum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭bluto63


    I didn't because I'm a sore losing nazi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    WindSock wrote: »
    Yeah I don't think even a 1 minutes silence is observed here. That only happens when something big happens in the present day. As far as I know.
    Shame that we don't commemorate or veterans really.

    Yes we do.

    The National Day of Commemoration is held on July 11th... It honours all Irish people who have died in past conflict as well as deceased members of the Defence Forces. There's a ceremony held every year in Royal Hospital Kilmainham.

    Shame the majority of the general public pay no attention to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭9wetfckx43j5rg


    Dude I just read the first post of this thread at exactly 11 minutes past 11!

    Freaky!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    bluto63 wrote: »
    I didn't because I'm a sore losing nazi

    Let's get him! I call first!

    /unscrews vaseline


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    My last lecture for the day had just about ended so I headed off home, didn't seem to notice the masses standing round looking like they were posing for the angelus for two mins tho. Today probably explains why RTE was showing Pearl Harbour tonight.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    No. Didn't notice anyone else doing so in the pub I work in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    the scumbags at Celtic who sung through the two minutes silence on Sunday.

    What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?


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