11th Hour of the 11th Day of the 11th Month

WindSock

Are you observing a minutes silence?

Schism

Nope, it's my birthday! everybody shout

rolion

Done...

Notorious

I just did

Wossack

09? come back in 2 years :P

WindSock

Wossack wrote: »

09? come back in 2 years :P

Why?

biko

WindSock wrote: »

Are you observing a minutes silence?

For whom?

Edit, googled it.
No I don't

GavRedKing

I didnt because I forgot, makes no difference TBH.

Saibh

Who will manage to post at the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month...

WindSock

Magnus wrote: »

For whom?

Googled it too. Armistace day, the end of WW1.

I don't know. Do we do it here? Is that what is supposed to happen, a minutes silence?

I just thought it was pretty neat that I managed to post the thread at the right time.

Soby

Boom....me..whos the silence for?
*edit*..Ah right..maybe a typing silence?..no posts for a minute:P

WindSock

Schism wrote: »

Nope, it's my birthday! everybody shout

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :cool:

Fratton Fred

Two minutes of silence in the UK. A lot of companies build it into the working day and it is often announced over PA systems. Pretty much everyone observes it.

WindSock

Saibh wrote: »

Who will manage to post at the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month...

Me and Soby

I wonder who got the 11th second?

WindSock

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Two minutes of silence in the UK. A lot of companies build it into the working day and it is often announced over PA systems. Pretty much everyone observes it.

Yeah I don't think even a 1 minutes silence is observed here. That only happens when something big happens in the present day. As far as I know.
Shame that we don't commemorate or veterans really.

Davidius

Nobody gives me a minute's silence, they'll get there's when I get mine!

Fratton Fred

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah I don't think even a 1 minutes silence is observed here. That only happens when something big happens in the present day. As far as I know.
Shame that we don't commemorate or veterans really.

Ian Hislop did a programme the other night where he talked about Non British soldiers who died in the great war. he mentioned Thomas Kettle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kettle

Apparently his memorial wasn't unveiled until 30 years after his death and then it was just put there without ceremony. There is no mention that he died in France, only the place of his death, because they didn't want to highlight the fact he died fighting for Britain in the Great War.

Lux23

No we don't because Irish people only like to commemorate the deaths of other Irish people, we don't much care what goes on else where.

That Thomas Kettle story so shameful, something seriously wrong with that kind of viewpoint.

Fratton Fred

Lux23 wrote: »

No we don't because Irish people only like to commemorate the deaths of other Irish people, we don't much care what goes on else where.

That Thomas Kettle story so shameful, something seriously wrong with that kind of viewpoint.

sorry, did I miss something, did no Irish people die in the first world war then?

Turd Ferguson

Yo WindSock, I'm real happy for you and I'mma let you finish....but I had one of the best time/date based threads of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Davidius

Fratton Fred wrote: »

sorry, did I miss something, did no Irish people die in the first world war then?

Course they did but sure we have a day for them.

WindSock

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Yo WindSock, I'm real happy for you and I'mma let you finish....but I had one of the best time/date based threads of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Jackass

General Zod

the mail reason I choose not to observe it is that the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month was chosen as a symbolic gesture. if they had sent out the order to cease as soon as it was agreed there'd be a few less people killed.

It's the perfect exqmple of the stupidity that led to so many people killed.

The news was quickly given to the armies during the morning of 11 November, but even after hearing that the armistice was due to start at 11:00, intense warfare continued right until the last minute. Many artillery units continued to fire on German targets to avoid having to haul away their spare ammunition. The Allies also wished to ensure that should fighting re-start, they would be in the most favourable position. Consequently there were 10,944 casualties of which 2,738 men died on the last day of the war.[4]
Augustin Trébuchon was the last Frenchman to die when he was shot on his way to tell fellow soldiers that hot soup would be served after the ceasefire. He was killed at 10:45 am. The last British soldier to die, George Edwin Ellison of the 5th Royal Irish Lancers, was killed earlier that morning at around 9:30 am while scouting on the outskirts of Mons, Belgium. The final Canadian soldier to die, Private George Lawrence Price, was killed just two minutes before the armistice to the north of Mons, in an allied trench at 10:58am to be recognized as one of the last killed with a monument to his name. And finally, American Henry Gunther is generally recognized as the last soldier killed in action in World War I. He was killed 60 seconds before the armistice came into force while charging astonished German troops who were aware the Armistice was nearly upon them.[5][6]
The last reported German casualty occurred after the 11 a.m. armistice. A Leutnant Tomas, in the Meuse-Argonne sector, went to inform approaching American soldiers that he and his men would be vacating houses that they had been using as billets. However, he was shot by soldiers who had not been told about the ceasefire.

Dáibhí

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah I don't think even a 1 minutes silence is observed here. ...Shame that we don't commemorate or veterans really.

...Here we go again ....

We, the Irish, do commemorate our veterans, namely the people who fought for this country. If you want to celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch, well it isn't really difficult to find the country where that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence goes on.

IsMiseConor

Schism wrote: »

Nope, it's my birthday! everybody shout

It's my birthday too!

Fratton Fred

General Zod wrote: »

the mail reason I choose not to observe it is that the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month was chosen as a symbolic gesture. if they had sent out the order to cease as soon as it was agreed there'd be a few less people killed.

It's the perfect exqmple of the stupidity that led to so many people killed.

I thought the silence was to remember those who died, not the idiots who sent them to their death.

Lux23

Fratton Fred wrote: »

sorry, did I miss something, did no Irish people die in the first world war then?

Well not really they were British then. Think you misunderstood what i saw saying though.

General Zod

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I thought the silence was to remember those who died, not the idiots who sent them to their death.

I remember those who died in ways other than a minutes silence timed to be "memorable" which resulted in 2k more people being killed.

dasdog

One imperialist power starts expanding. Another retaliates and declares war on the Western Front of expansion. Millions die and war concludes resulting in the signing of the Treaty of Versaille. The world is still living with the consequences of this today.

Nationalism is a very dangerous trait some of us humans have. IMO a little education on the matter is far better way of paying respect to those who died than a rememberance organised by the same state(s) who sent people to walk into lines of machine gun fire.

Fratton Fred

dasdog wrote: »

One imperialist power starts expanding. Another retaliates and declares war on the Western Front of expansion. Millions die and war concludes resulting in the signing of the Treaty of Versaille. The world is still living with the consequences of this today.

and the winning imperialist power put so much blame and sanction on the losing one that the loser went and kicked it all off again 20 years later. Eventually though, the two settled their differences and formed the EU to help prevent it happening again. now the two of them have formed a new empire and are still hell bent on ruling Europe.

Fratton Fred

Dáibhí wrote: »

well it isn't really difficult to find the country where that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence goes on.

Ireland?

Manic Moran

We didn't shoot anybody today, does that count?

NTM

GLaDOS

"It was the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month, we'd gone to the school to discuss the faulty calenders"

Dáibhí

Fratton Fred wrote: »

... now the two of them have formed a new empire and are still hell bent on ruling Europe.

Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment of a true British eurosceptic. How the once mighty have fallen.

Dáibhí

PS: I see the leaders of Germany and France held a joint commemoration of WWI today - and no sign of either of them wearing the British poppy. So much for the British nationalist propaganda here about their poppy being an internationally accepted and used symbol.

Here's the picture, by the way: http://www.irishtimes.com/world/

Dáibhí

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ireland?

Eh, no, that country which 'celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch' and endulges in 'that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence' would - surprise, surprise - be Britain. Witness the flag-waving John Bull rhetoric from the British media for the past month where those who refuse to wear the British poppy are vilified.

Meanwhile, more civilised European countries like France and Germany are joining together to hold a joint commemoration remembering the dead on both sides. That is dignity. The contrast speaks volumes for the nationalism at the heart of this British "remembrance", which certain people here are so keen to glorify and push upon Irish people as something other than a display of British nationalism and, it seems in your case, euroscepticism.

Fratton Fred

Dáibhí wrote: »

Eh, no, that country which 'celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch' and endulges in 'that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence' would - surprise, surprise - be Britain. Witness the flag-waving John Bull rhetoric from the British media for the past month where those who refuse to wear the British poppy are vilified.

Meanwhile, more civilised European countries like France and Germany are joining together to hold a joint commemoration remembering the dead on both sides. That is dignity. The contrast speaks volumes for the nationalism at the heart of this British "remembrance", which certain people here are so keen to glorify and push upon Irish people as something other than a display of British nationalism and, it seems in your case, euroscepticism.

Out of curiosity, are you very short?

I thought this was about remembrance day, why are you off on another anti British rant.

WindSock

ScienceNerd wrote: »

"It was the 13th hour of the 13th day of the 13th month, we'd gone to the school to discuss the faulty calenders"

Lousy Smarch weather...

4zn76tysfajdxp

Dáibhí wrote: »

Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment of a true British eurosceptic. How the once mighty have fallen.

Tone it down, or you'll be taking a break from After Hours.

WindSock

Dáibhí wrote: »

PS: I see the leaders of Germany and France held a joint commemoration of WWI today - and no sign of either of them wearing the British poppy. So much for the British nationalist propaganda here about their poppy being an internationally accepted and used symbol.

Here's the picture, by the way: http://www.irishtimes.com/world/

Plart.

The poppy's significance to Remembrance Day is a result of British (Canadian Corps) military physician John McCrae's poem In Flanders Fields. The poppy emblem was chosen because of the poppies that bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their red colour an appropriate symbol for the bloodshed of trench warfare. An American YMCA Overseas War Secretaries employee, Moina Michael, was inspired to make 25 silk poppies based on McCrae's poem, which she distributed to attendees of the YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' Conference.[30] She then made an effort to have the poppy adopted as a national symbol of remembrance, and succeeded in having the National American Legion Conference adopt it two years later. At this conference, a Frenchwoman, Anna E. Guérin, was inspired to introduce the widely used artificial poppies given out today. In 1921 she sent her poppy sellers to London, England, where they were adopted by Field Marshall Douglas Haig, a founder of the Royal British Legion, as well as by veterans' groups in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
A small number of people choose to wear white poppies, which they claim emphasises a desire for peaceful alternatives to military action. Some people regard this as being offensive.
The Royal Canadian Legion suggests that poppies be worn on the left lapel, or as close to the heart as possible

Nothing there about Germans or French ever adopting the Poppy. Apart from the French chick at teh American Legion Conference. But not as nations.

Dáibhí

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I thought this was about remembrance day, why are you off on another anti British rant.

Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?

Bill-e

I think it was an amicable thing to go off and do. I'm not sure that our govt should organise an official commemoration or anything. However, just as these lads chose to go out and fight we can choose to commemorate them if we feel like it.

We weren't officially involved in that war... So we shouldn't officially organise anything.

Dáibhí

WindSock wrote: »

Plart.



Nothing there about Germans or French ever adopting the Poppy. Apart from the French chick at teh American Legion Conference. But not as nations.

??

prinz

Dáibhí wrote: »

Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

I'm Irish born and bred, only ever been to Heathrow Airport on a stop-over, no connections at all with the British military or British nationalism... and I wear a poppy. Cut the crap will you? You've been told all this before but go around spout the same nonsense on every thread. How about if you don't like it, you ignore the thread.

WindSock

Dáibhí wrote: »

...Here we go again ....

We, the Irish, do commemorate our veterans, namely the people who fought for this country. If you want to celebrate those who fight for Britain and her monarch, well it isn't really difficult to find the country where that particular brand of nationalist glorification of violence goes on.

They were young men who died in another country. Many had their reasons for going, most probably nothing to do with the Crown.

ctrl-alt-delete

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Two minutes of silence in the UK. A lot of companies build it into the working day and it is often announced over PA systems. Pretty much everyone observes it.

Was at Newcastle International airport today and that happened,

observed 2 minutes silence as did all those around me.

WindSock

Dáibhí wrote: »

Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?

I don't think Fratton Fred is pushing it upon us. I think he is rightly reminding us that many Irish died in the WW1.
There are still a lot of people who are unaware of that fact. Unaware because it was ignored. I don't think that is fair to the brave men who believed they were fighting and dying to protect their countries interests.

tbh

Dáibhí wrote: »

Spoken with all the venom, lack of education and resentment

mmmm that's good irony!

Fratton Fred

Dáibhí wrote: »

Perhaps if you, and people here like you, didn't expect Irish people to engage in your nationalist causes then there would be no need for it. You are, however, intent upon pushing this poppy "remembrance" upon Irish people. So, don't start sulking when it is rejected.

Furthermore, why are you intent upon denying that this poppy stuff is a British nationalist commemoration designed to glorify only those who died on Britain's side, and as such it has nothing to do with an apolitical international commemoration of the dead of war?

the Poppy thread got locked mate.

Armistice day is remembered in many places, France and Belgium even have a national day off.

WindSock

Dáibhí wrote: »

??

Sorry to clarify there.
Don't mind my Plart bit. Just an expletive. It means nothing.


On the Poppy; It does't seem to be accepted worldwide. It seems to be a commonwealth thing, so I would imagine that is why France and Germany haven't adopted it.

I wore one earlier in the year on ANZAC day, as I attended a ceremony with my boyfriend who had relatives die in the Sommes.

brummytom

Yep, we had a two minutes silence at school. Everyone observed it.