Mature Students like wtf??!!

Ostrom · 19-08-2009 04:39PM

Effluo wrote: »

Efla again how through any reasoning does what i said in that post suggest that i voted 5 times....
I'm not that childish and when i make a poll or start a thread i intend on discussing it like an adult, i don't throw out their opinion cause it's not what i want to hear.

Nothing in your post suggested it, the mod did, above. Tongue in cheek I presume.

You did not discuss it 'like an adult' you threw out a few petty insults then cried indignation when everyone disagreed.

Honestly, can you not see this? You have been told, in no uncertain terms, on the straightforward interpretation and citation of your own posts, that you are not making a valid argument, have no evidence to support your claims and do not have majority support.

We aren't throwing out your opinion because 'its not what we want to hear', we are citing your own statements and arguing back. Considering you take a poll of five votes as representative, you clearly make little little logical distinction between evidence and opinion yourself.

Effluo wrote: »

That poll is of a lot of significgance to this thread and argument. I looked for other places on boards to put it but could find none which were suitable.

That poll was meaningless. Unless you fancy canvassing at inducation day, your poll is void, and considering (as I said above) your own interpretation of valid evidence, it would have done nothing more than make you look twice as stupid if you tried to defend it.

peanuthead · 19-08-2009 04:41PM

Anyone else think this thread could do with a locking??:rolleyes:

Nationalist · 19-08-2009 05:39PM

peanuthead wrote: »

Anyone else think this thread could do with a locking??:rolleyes:

CENSORED

LoLth · 19-08-2009 06:10PM

Nationalist wrote: »

Whats the purpose of that? Effluo was voicing what was on his/her mind. Its free speech. Welcome to democracy mother****ers. Stop with the censorship.

Half of his/her post was made i jest, i presume. Take it with a pinch of salt, and try not to break a hip, gramps. lol.

welcome to boards. this is not a democracy and there *is* censorship. enjoy your stay. I'll be your oppressor for the evening.

LoLth · 19-08-2009 06:12PM

Acacia · 19-08-2009 09:30PM

*massive generalisation to follow*

Ah, they're great for filling up tutorials with useless waffle though, which is grand because none of the other students will have done the required work but because the Mature Student wastes the whole hour talking crap, and the other students won't be caught out...:p

They do tend to be rather 'opinionated' though, to put it lightly.

Teabag! · 19-08-2009 09:43PM

Effluo wrote: »

I never said that mature students annoy the lecturers more so than other students. Sorry if you interpreted anything i said that way.

Efla again how through any reasoning does what i said in that post suggest that i voted 5 times....
I'm not that childish and when i make a poll or start a thread i intend on discussing it like an adult, i don't throw out their opinion cause it's not what i want to hear.

That poll is of a lot of significgance to this thread and argument. I looked for other places on boards to put it but could find none which were suitable.

And cheers nationalist not for agreeing with me, but for justifying that it's not me having a go. It's me being honest

"Close your eyes when you don't want to see
Stay at home when you don't want to go
Only speak to those who will agree
Yeah, and close your mind when you don't want to know"

I was listening to Billy Joel today and these lyrics could almost be describing you....

Ironically the song from which they come is called 'everybody loves you now':D:D:D

and on that note i shall wish you a pleasant stay at NUIM and take my leave of this thread....

Effluo · 19-08-2009 10:05PM

Teabag! wrote: »

"Close your eyes when you don't want to see
Stay at home when you don't want to go
Only speak to those who will agree
Yeah, and close your mind when you don't want to know"

I was listening to Billy Joel today and these lyrics could almost be describing you....

Ironically the song from which they come is called 'everybody loves you now':D:D:D

and on that note i shall wish you a pleasant stay at NUIM and take my leave of this thread....

Hahahahahaha

Billy Joel

I was listening to

Boom Boom Boom Boom
Girl I want you in my room
Spend the night together from now until forever....

Then i came across this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOxsNAjeN-A

Mahaaaaaaaaaa

Rozabeez · 20-08-2009 11:02AM

/Thread dies.

LoLth · 20-08-2009 12:14PM

/thread re-animates and commences eating other threads brains

Effluo · 09-11-2009 07:38PM

Finally

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9266367943&ref=mf

i don't really "hate" them though

dr.quirky · 10-11-2009 07:41PM

*prodding dead thread repeating previous stated opinions*

i think noddie/oldies/matures/whatever you care to name them are GREAT:):):):)

many a tutorial they saved, most 17-21yr old undergrads are more afraid of opening discussion/expressing a opinion in a small group than small kids are of monsters.

yes, sometimes some of them are "opinionated" ,
yes, sometimes some of them talk way too much in lectures/tutorials
yes, sometimes some of them use unnessicery words and try to sound very intelligent

and YES, all of these things are also true of SOME "normal" 17-22yr old students
.............:D

AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 08:04PM

Efflou: When I was younger I thought I knew it all. I had an attitude similar to yours. I never saw the bigger picture or what was really important.

I left school early and went working, bloody hard holding down 5 jobs at one point: Labourer, bouncer, Security guard, set up hotel function rooms and worked nights in a 24hr garage. (not all at the same time, mind but I'd get around 3hrs sleep a day for about 8 months).

At 23 I found myself a father of five and I had been let go from a factory called Flextronics in Tullamore along with 360 others. Things were bad. I decided to go to college and went to AIT to study Electronic & Computer Engineering, 2 year cert. I didn't want to mess this up. I wanted to succeed so that (laugh) I could afford a house of my own where my kids could grow up and do for them the little things that I never had.

I was that mature sitting at the front as you put it, askig all the questions trying not to fall behind everyone else in the clas that did all the maths for thier leaving a few months previous. I knew NOTHING! I worked my a$$ off and made it through. I managed to get my cert, gettting the highest average in the entire college that year and continued on to my Honours Degree in Software Engineering.

I now have a job, in fact I'm in Finland as I type in a hotel because I'm good at what I do. I worked damn hard to get here and did it without back to education allowance. I worked while in college to support my family.

I'm sorry for the life story but I feel I must speak up for every other mature student that had the guts to face the young students like you, listening to the taunts and b1tching but struggled on despite this and succeeded.

My advice for you Efflou, is to think about your mother sitting in a class such as yours, so afraid to fail, so afraid to let you down. Imagine her feelings being exposed to hurtful comments like yours. We feel out of place enough without this.

Tut, tut!:mad::(:mad:

Cpt Beefheart · 10-11-2009 08:28PM

I have yet to see mature students hogging the computers to tag face book photos or plow their fields. Neither are they talking their way through lectures, or for that matter chattering with their mates in the reading room or library. Don't see the problem myself.

sashafierce · 10-11-2009 08:43PM

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AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 08:50PM

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You know if that "stupid question" helps him to understand the material, what's the problem? I often asked questions and to be honest, most of my classmates were grateful because many of them were too embarassed to ask themselves.

More tolerance, less knocking.

AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 08:54PM

Despite the fact that "everyone laughs at him", he still perseveres. I wish him all the best in overcomming the circumstances you have created for him.

sashafierce · 10-11-2009 09:02PM

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AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 09:16PM

Firstly:

ME??

sashafierce wrote: »

....everyone laughs at him...

Everyone is inclusive of yourself.

Secondly:

...always contradicting the lecturers just because he is older than them doesnt mean he knows more!

I agree, but it is not about knowing more than someone else. If he contradicts a lecturer (right or wrongly) he is testing a theory. He thinks there is another option and not taking everything at face value from the lecturer, he's working at improving his understanding. My lecturers have been wrong in the past, they are human after all. The best lecturers actually learn as much from the students as the students learn from him/her.

I'm merely trying to get people to understand that what you percieve to be arrogance may simply be someone struggling to make sense of it. It was conversations such as these in the classroom that deepened my own understanding of topics (yes, sometimes they went further than the subject matter at hand granted) but it helped.

Btw, I'm not trying to start an arguement. Just make a point.

sashafierce · 10-11-2009 09:24PM

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AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 09:32PM

I respect that, but I didn't say you were wrong. I'm not a jugde, I just wanted to alert you to the fact that there may be a reason for his behaviour. Having been through it and taking a lot of abuse over the years from what I percieve to be jealous people (btw they were a distinct minority! Most were great), maybe this subject is a little too close to home for me.

My apologies if you thought I was attacking you in any way. Just wanted to enlighten you is all. Even that sounds condescending. It isn't meant to be.

What are you studying?

iLoveTwilight · 10-11-2009 09:57PM

I bet you they are asking 'stupid' questions now because they wish they had asked more when they were younger .. Not only the mature students ask questions , a lot of the undergrads do too .

I sit down the front in most lectures and I'm 18 ... anything wrong with that? I find towards the middle and the back there is alot of chatting going on and id like to be able to hear the lecturer .

More than likely you think its 'uncool' to sit near the front and ask questions ... I hope you know we're all out of secondary school now .

EDIT . I'm not arguing with you OP .. Just making some valid points . I don't mind people sitting in the back , just irritates me when they say 'eugh I'm not sitting up the front , only the nerds sit there'

sashafierce · 10-11-2009 10:10PM

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AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 10:18PM

Well best of luck to you with your Accounting career. I hope you find it rewarding and don't worry about people thinking you're stupid. What matters is gaining the deeper understanding on the topic at hand.

I always thought about lecturers in this way: they are there to transfer as much knowledge to me in that hour (or two) as possible. Try to figure out what exactly it is that they are trying to get accross. Once you identify that, pursue until that nugget is yours.

I want to go back and do my masters soon. Fees will put an end to that methinks.:(

sashafierce · 10-11-2009 10:21PM

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goldilocks77 · 10-11-2009 10:25PM

As an ex-mature student, I was so s**tless about going back to uni that it was great to sit with other mature students and get a bit of moral support. Also, sitting at the front kept me away from the constant texting and chatting going on at the back of the lecture hall. Having said that, I did sit at the back sometimes and it was great fun, plenty to learn on both sides! Maybe young students think that the mature students are boring but who cares? I went back to college to get the degree I couldn't when I was 17, and boy was I delighted and proud of myself on graduation day. Good luck to all students out there.

AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 10:29PM

goldilocks77 wrote: »

As an ex-mature student, I was so s**tless about going back to uni that it was great to sit with other mature students and get a bit of moral support. Also, sitting at the front kept me away from the constant texting and chatting going on at the back of the lecture hall. Having said that, I did sit at the back sometimes and it was great fun, plenty to learn on both sides! Maybe young students think that the mature students are boring but who cares? I went back to college to get the degree I couldn't when I was 17, and boy was I delighted and proud of myself on graduation day. Good luck to all students out there.

Congrats goldilocks!

AcePuppetMaster · 10-11-2009 10:33PM

sashafierce wrote: »

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You have to find your own way. It sounds a bit silly to assume that you know everything. Why then go to college? You could spend the next 20 years in college and not know everything. As a graduate, I've realised that the learning never stops.

Whatever you do, apply yourself well and you won't let yourself down. Do what makes you happy.

Good night and God bless. I have an early rise in the morning.

~me~ · 10-11-2009 11:02PM

i think we all need to be reminded of the old phrase "its better to ask a question and look like a fool for two minutes than not ask the question and be a fool for the rest of your life"

if they need a question answered let them ask it, they're there to learn so let them.

as for the farm thing on facebook- my god! ive spent hours waiting for people to finish in order for me to check my college e mails, do that crap at home! or at least wait til theres not a mile long queue! and while i think of it- dont text while you're at a pc! people are waiting! :mad: sorry its OT but someone mentioned that mature students dont do it and it reminded me!

LeixlipRed · 10-11-2009 11:04PM

Mature students = hawt

Mature Students like wtf??!!

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