DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

maxg · 05-11-2009 01:17PM

Elmo wrote: »

As are the current over the air analogue transmissions. Lets not forget that currently the only FTA services on DTT are 1, 2, 3 and 4 (Lets face it the IFB channel is unlikely to happen). And the current idea for other channels is to provide pay TV for extra channels. Why not just make sure you pay your current cable, sat etc operator for multi-room viewing. Most people in these areas already have good analogue reception for there second TV, if they want anything extra on these TVs they will have to pay.

You shouldn't forget the sense of DTT. Replacing the analogue channels with digital ones after ASO in 2012.
If additional paytv channels have a chance via DTT only time will tell. The irish DTT test carry only FTA services and over 80% are able to receive them.

Elmo · 05-11-2009 03:04PM

maxg wrote: »

You shouldn't forget the sense of DTT. Replacing the analogue channels with digital ones after ASO in 2012.
If additional paytv channels have a chance via DTT only time will tell. The irish DTT test carry only FTA services and over 80% are able to receive them.

But the 4 FTA analogue channels will just be replace by 4 FTA Digital channels, maybe 5 (if we think that 3e will be part of RTÉ NLs Mux). And many people will be forced into buying an STB for those extra TVs. So why not just get UPC or Sky to provide you with Multi-room.

80% but what about the other 20% who are more unlikely to have access to Spillover, Satellite and Cable.

The Cush · 05-11-2009 04:26PM

Elmo wrote: »

Thank you for you clarification. It is nice to see so much money wasted across the European Union in insuring that TVs and STBs are to the standards of each of the different EU countries. I am think that soon the EU will be developing an EU standard for all countries which will cost a whole lot more money to introduce. IMO This is absolutely insane.

One Signal, One TV, One Box, One Test, One Standard.

Just to clarify a little further.
The ETSI standards are also EU approved standards. The ETSI is officially recognized by the EU and the EFTA area and is officially responsible for standardization of Information and Communication Technologies within Europe. So no further money will be expended because we already have a set of Europe-wide approved standards.

Countries then take these approved standards and create a mininum standard/benchmark for their country or region to suit their particular DTT requirements, the more well known being the UK's D-Book, Scandanavia's Nordig.
Ireland has chosen to use the Nordig common platform with adjustments rather than start from scratch and compile, develope and test a national standard.

From a financial point of view, for a smaller country it is probably cheaper to opt for an established minimum standard such as Nordig as the testing and development has been completed and is proven to work and the test suites for receiver conformance testing are already developed and in use.

Check out this website for a good overview http://www.digitaltv-labs.com/?go=European~DVB-T,Overview.

scath · 05-11-2009 04:29PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Could not agree more. Why does every Gov funded organisation want to get their name on the box. EU Cert. should be enough. Major manufacturers will produce a single design for all europe, so the EU should set the standard for them to build to.

You know it makes sense.

Reason for branding when the brand is advertised on the TV/Newspapers that the customer won't have to look up specs, simply will look for the logo and only buy that. That's the main reason, to say it conforms with the country spec which varies from country to country. Can't have EU Cert unless every country went digital at the same time.

maxg · 05-11-2009 05:08PM

Elmo wrote: »

But the 4 FTA analogue channels will just be replace by 4 FTA Digital channels, maybe 5 (if we think that 3e will be part of RTÉ NLs Mux). And many people will be forced into buying an STB for those extra TVs. So why not just get UPC or Sky to provide you with Multi-room.

80% but what about the other 20% who are more unlikely to have access to Spillover, Satellite and Cable.

For instance a sagem picnic box from currys in NI for 19.99 give you irish DTT. I don't think it makes sense to subscribe to multiroom for a kitchen TV or such thing else.
Additonal DTT transmitters for filling gaps are planed for next year it money is left over.

Elmo · 05-11-2009 06:22PM

The Cush wrote: »

Just to clarify a little further.
The ETSI standards are also EU approved standards. The ETSI is officially recognized by the EU and the EFTA area and is officially responsible for standardization of Information and Communication Technologies within Europe. So no further money will be expended because we already have a set of Europe-wide approved standards.

Countries then take these approved standards and create a mininum standard/benchmark for their country or region to suit their particular DTT requirements, the more well known being the UK's D-Book, Scandanavia's Nordig.
Ireland has chosen to use the Nordig common platform with adjustments rather than start from scratch and compile, develope and test a national standard.

From a financial point of view, for a smaller country it is probably cheaper to opt for an established minimum standard such as Nordig as the testing and development has been completed and is proven to work and the test suites for receiver conformance testing are already developed and in use.

Check out this website for a good overview http://www.digitaltv-labs.com/?go=European~DVB-T,Overview.

Okay this is just stupid. I am sorry that I have to say this. And I amn't arguing with your facts. But I still think that (as Sam Russell has stated that an EU Wide cert) should have been sought rather than Countries picking and choosing out of a set of standards. According to The Cush it now seems that Irish DTT will be part British, part Nordic and which could lead to Nordic and UK TVs not working in Ireland.

So if someone moves around the EU and organizes to get their furniture including their TV set sent on to them they may not be able to use their foreign TV set in their new country.

:mad:

For instance a sagem picnic box from currys in NI for 19.99 give you irish DTT. I don't think it makes sense to subscribe to multiroom for a kitchen TV or such thing else.
Additonal DTT transmitters for filling gaps are planed for next year it money is left over.

I am guessing the Picnic box only works in areas that have access to spillover. Picnic is a part free/pay TV service from $ky. And that again it isn't a box that has been approved by the BAI or RTÉ NL or their private partners.

maxg · 05-11-2009 07:40PM

Elmo wrote: »

I am guessing the Picnic box only works in areas that have access to spillover. Picnic is a part free/pay TV service from $ky. And that again it isn't a box that has been approved by the BAI or RTÉ NL or their private partners.

The picnic service from sky via uk freeview was never launched because they got no allowness from ofcom. Currys in NI/UK currently selling the picnic boxes which were produced in advance for a now dead service. The sagem picnic box is able to handle mpeg4 and is therefor also able to handle the irish DTT channels. Its the cheapest way to get the 4 irish channels in digital. The ability to handle uk freeview in spillover areas is a additional bonus.
Beside that I don't think RTENL will approve boxes in the near future. It looks like they are planing to keep the door open for an commercial dtt provider and his boxes.

Elmo · 05-11-2009 08:52PM

maxg wrote: »

The sagem picnic box is able to handle mpeg4 and is therefor also able to handle the irish DTT channels. Its the cheapest way to get the 4 irish channels in digital. The ability to handle uk freeview in spillover areas is a additional bonus.
Beside that I don't think RTENL will approve boxes in the near future. It looks like they are planing to keep the door open for an commercial dtt provider and his boxes.

My point still remains.

1. That the Sagem Picnic Box from Sky is not test nor is it approved by RTÉ NL or whomever. (Regardless of its MPEG 4 compatibility, which would be something that Sky developed in the UK not in Ireland or any other EU country).
2. Second television with out the added bonus of spillover will still only receive the 4 Irish channels through the DTT tests and if the One Vision plan is to go a head the second TV will still only get 4 channels. So DTT remains disadvantaged to Second TVs. (That is of course if you are to beleive more channels = more choice).

Imagine if the US developed different DTT standards across each state and that smaller states would either get together to develop theirs or jump on the developments of other states :rolleyes:

maxg · 05-11-2009 09:28PM

Elmo wrote: »

My point still remains.

1. That the Sagem Picnic Box from Sky is not test nor is it approved by RTÉ NL or whomever. (Regardless of its MPEG 4 compatibility, which would be something that Sky developed in the UK not in Ireland or any other EU country).
2. Second television with out the added bonus of spillover will still only receive the 4 Irish channels through the DTT tests and if the One Vision plan is to go a head the second TV will still only get 4 channels. So DTT remains disadvantaged to Second TVs. (That is of course if you are to beleive more channels = more choice).

Imagine if the US developed different DTT standards across each state and that smaller states would either get together to develop theirs or jump on the developments of other states :rolleyes:

1. The picture at the screen is that was count and the price. The sagem picnic box is simply working for the irish DTT test.

2. It looks like you never compared the picture quality from a analogue source with a digital source and RGB scart.

bk · 05-11-2009 10:41PM

maxg wrote: »

For instance a sagem picnic box from currys in NI for 19.99 give you irish DTT. I don't think it makes sense to subscribe to multiroom for a kitchen TV or such thing else.
Additonal DTT transmitters for filling gaps are planed for next year it money is left over.

I'm sorry I disagree, the sagem box will only give you 4 channels, the same 4 channels you can currently get on analogue.

Yes the picture quality maybe better, but generally people don't care too much about picture quality for kitchen TV's, it is mostly about background noise.

With UPC (exception Cork), you can get 17 analogue TV channels in the kitchen for free, 17 channels with ok pq is better then 4 channels with top quality pq for most people. Or if you are worried about pq, then €8.50 per month will get you up to 120 channels in the kitchen.

With Sky you can use the RF out and magic eye to do similar.

In the UK you would be correct, Freeview is very popular for second TV's as it has 30+ channels with decent pq for free. But here with just 4 channels it won't have the same effect.

Elmo · 05-11-2009 11:29PM

maxg wrote: »

1. The picture at the screen is that was count and the price. The sagem picnic box is simply working for the irish DTT test.

2. It looks like you never compared the picture quality from a analogue source with a digital source and RGB scart.

I will agree that the picture on DTT is an important factor. But that won't help One Vision.

The Cush · 06-11-2009 12:01AM

Elmo wrote: »

But I still think that (as Sam Russell has stated that an EU Wide cert) should have been sought rather than Countries picking and choosing out of a set of standards. According to The Cush it now seems that Irish DTT will be part British, part Nordic and which could lead to Nordic and UK TVs not working in Ireland.

So if someone moves around the EU and organizes to get their furniture including their TV set sent on to them they may not be able to use their foreign TV set in their new country. :mad:

Irish DTT uses the European DVB set of standards approved by the ETSI (and EU), as does every other European country, not British not Nordic. Countries will choose DVB-T or DVB-T2 or both in the case of the UK, they will choose MPEG-4 or MPEG-2 or both in the case of France, Denmark or Sweden, they will choose MHP or MHEG-5 for interactivity not both. Countries will always choose what suits their specific DTT requirements. How they implement these standards becomes their national standard or benchmark. Ireland has chosen the Scandanavian way for implementing the DVB standards with Ireland specific changes.

Just as analogue TV's were multi-standard PAL/SECAM B/G/I UHF/VHF and could be used around Europe so digital receivers that are "multi-standard" (i.e. receivers that carry the logos of DTT services in other European countries) these TV's will work without problem in those particular European countries.
Of course there may be digital TV's that won't Europe wide - Panasonic springs to mind i.e. MPEG-4 in the Irish DTT tests, just as there were/are analogue TV's that wouldn't work Europe wide - Panasonic again springs mind i.e. no VHF tuner.
It will be for the manufacturer to ensure that its products are compatible with a national DTT network thru the relevant national conformance testing programme.

I own an 18 month old Sony Digital TV and at the time I purchased it, it was approved for the following European DTT networks UK, France, Germany, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Czech Rep, Greece, Holland and also Swedish cable (Com Hem). It works on Irish DTT with restrictions (no MHEG-5 digital text with Ireland setting). So I can safely assume this TV will work with any DVB-T/MPEG-2/MPEG-4 DTT network throughout Europe and further afield and in some cases without the bells and whistles.

Sam Russell · 06-11-2009 12:03AM

bk wrote: »

I'm sorry I disagree, the sagem box will only give you 4 channels, the same 4 channels you can currently get on analogue.

With UPC (exception Cork), you can get 17 analogue TV channels in the kitchen for free.

UPC do not give any channels for free. It costs about one Sagem box per month for their basic service. The Sagem box is paid for once and then it is free. In a spillover area, you get all Freeview and Irish DTT. Otherwise you get just the RTENL stuff. NTL and Sky cost a lot if you just want 'basic' TV. More than the basic TV can be optained with Freesat or FTA sat, but then you have two remotes.

When integrated Freesat and Mpeg4 TVs are launched that allow one EPG and one remote, we are in a less than attractive place. It will be a year or more before all this is sorted out. Onevision will probably drop out before Christmas and we are back to square one again.

Maybe there will be a general election before then and we can have a Programme for Government that includes a Programme for Television!

Elmo · 06-11-2009 12:28AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Maybe there will be a general election before then and we can have a Programme for Government that includes a Programme for Television!

Lets try and get the transmission right before we make a programme for Television :eek::rolleyes: (<<<<< On a role with bad jokes on boards today),

Just as analogue TV's were multi-standard PAL/SECAM B/G/I UHF/VHF and could be used around Europe so digital receivers that are "multi-standard" (i.e. receivers that carry the logos of DTT services in other European countries) these TV's will work without problem in those particular European countries.

It seems to me that Europe should have set stricter standards rather then allowing countries pick an choose standards. I think it just make the whole thing more complicated. For example you happened to know that some TV manufactures build for multiple standards (more money spent by them making the TV more expensive and then more money spend on testers to test the TV for each individual countries), many people don't know that different manufactures don't do this. Do you not see this as utterly wasteful. For example in the US when they started using UHF the FCC demanded that all TV manufactures install both VHF and UHF. (In saying that the US didn't do a great job with UHF, causing people to take up cable).

The Cush · 06-11-2009 01:27AM

Elmo wrote: »

It seems to me that Europe should have set stricter standards rather then allowing countries pick an choose standards. I think it just make the whole thing more complicated.

Standards evolve (e.g. DVB-T/DVB-T2, MPEG-2/MPEG-4) as the amount of UHF spectrum available reduces (Digital Dividend), to accomodate resource hungry services such as HDTV and future 3DTV.

bk · 06-11-2009 10:28AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

UPC do not give any channels for free. It costs about one Sagem box per month for their basic service. The Sagem box is paid for once and then it is free. In a spillover area, you get all Freeview and Irish DTT. Otherwise you get just the RTENL stuff. NTL and Sky cost a lot if you just want 'basic' TV. More than the basic TV can be optained with Freesat or FTA sat, but then you have two remotes.

Yes I agree Sam about Freesat, but that wasn't the point I was replying to by maxg. maxg was saying that people who already had UPC or Sky would use DTT for secondary TV's, I was just making the point that was unlikely as people with UPC and Sky already have better options and that it definitely won't help the DTT commercial operator.

BTW you can get 40 digital channels + free 17 channel analogue multiroom from UPC for €20, that isn't bad value.

bk · 06-11-2009 10:31AM

The Cush wrote: »

Standards evolve (e.g. DVB-T/DVB-T2, MPEG-2/MPEG-4) as the amount of UHF spectrum available reduces (Digital Dividend), to accomodate resource hungary services such as HDTV and future 3DTV.

That is the point people seem to be missing, when DTT started out, most countries were using DVB-T and MPEG2, but over the years thanks to advances in technology more efficient standards have arisen and most will probably end up using DVB-T2 and MPEG4 for HD.

Because Ireland is so late to the game, for SDwe areending up with a strange hybrid, DVB-T + MPEG4.

Sam Russell · 06-11-2009 11:15AM

bk wrote: »

Yes I agree Sam about Freesat, but that wasn't the point I was replying to by maxg. maxg was saying that people who already had UPC or Sky would use DTT for secondary TV's, I was just making the point that was unlikely as people with UPC and Sky already have better options and that it definitely won't help the DTT commercial operator.

BTW you can get 40 digital channels + free 17 channel analogue multiroom from UPC for €20, that isn't bad value.

Having 500 channels with nothing on (to quote The Boss) is not good value. Most people want particular channels and would not miss the 490 channels that can be got FTA. Many are duplicates or rebroadcasts of the main channels, or of no interest. If RTENL were able to supply RTE1, RTE2,TV3, TG4, BBC1, BBC2, UTV, and CH4 for free, I do not expect UPC or Sky would have many subscribers.

If you have a TV in the kitchen that can receive the basic RTENL service with rabbit ears, or cable it for UPC, or get a telephone line in and a place for the box so you can use Sky multiroom, I think most will be happy with the easy option. Cable upsets the decoration and the wife too much.

I personally get 4 or 5 leaflets a week from Sky offering free this or that for €20 / month, and one or two from UPC offering something simillar. Why do I not get any info from RTENL or BAI or RTE or the Dept of Communications about DTT?

craoltoir · 06-11-2009 11:42AM

True. Irrespective of DTT PayTV, everybody is entitled by law to receive the four channels, RTÉ/TV3/TG4 without having to take a subscription with a commercial supplier. Whether OneVision gets going or not, RTÉ has to provide a digital service with the four national channels. The sooner they officially launch the better.

Elmo · 06-11-2009 11:53AM

The Cush wrote: »

Standards evolve (e.g. DVB-T/DVB-T2, MPEG-2/MPEG-4) as the amount of UHF spectrum available reduces (Digital Dividend), to accomodate resource hungary services such as HDTV and future 3DTV.

And the Digital Dividend isn't the same in every EU country? What more do we get out of DTT than the UK by going with different standards or what more does France get or what less does Sweden get?

True. Irrespective of DTT PayTV, everybody is entitled by law to receive the four channels, RTÉ/TV3/TG4 without having to take a subscription with a commercial supplier. Whether OneVision gets going or not, RTÉ has to provide a digital service with the four national channels. The sooner they officially launch the better

I have been saying this for the last 5 years.

maxg · 06-11-2009 01:24PM

bk wrote: »

Yes I agree Sam about Freesat, but that wasn't the point I was replying to by maxg. maxg was saying that people who already had UPC or Sky would use DTT for secondary TV's, I was just making the point that was unlikely as people with UPC and Sky already have better options and that it definitely won't help the DTT commercial operator.

BTW you can get 40 digital channels + free 17 channel analogue multiroom from UPC for €20, that isn't bad value.

Do you really get multiroom for that price?

Elmo · 06-11-2009 01:46PM

maxg wrote: »

Do you really get multiroom for that price?

Just to clarify UPC and other cable companies charge extra for analogue multi-room cable. I have analogue multiroom because I split the cables but UPC would like to charge me €8.50 a month plus a €50 installation fee. Anyone know the proposed One Vision multi-room price or the Sky price. So there is absolutely no such thing as Free Multi-room from a pay providers (I think it should be outlawed).

If RTENL were able to supply RTE1, RTE2,TV3, TG4, BBC1, BBC2, UTV, and CH4 for free, I do not expect UPC or Sky would have many subscribers.

And this is why the NI channels will not be on FTA DTT in the Republic.

Why do I not get any info from RTENL or BAI or RTE or the Dept of Communications about DTT?

Because they want you to indirectly pay for it from One Vision. The Government and RTÉ have no money to promote FTA DTT.

FTA DTT will not be marketed, One Vision or Easy TV will be marketed.

Sam Russell · 06-11-2009 03:00PM

Elmo wrote: »

And this is why the NI channels will not be on FTA DTT in the Republic.

Because they want you to indirectly pay for it from One Vision. The Government and RTÉ have no money to promote FTA DTT.

FTA DTT will not be marketed, One Vision or Easy TV will be marketed.

From what you say, there is collusion between Sky, NTL and RTE that is determined to promote pay TV while in Britain thay have a push for FREEsat and FREEview because most people want FREE TV and not PAY TV.

I think we want the same, but it is not being offered. BAI, Dept of Comms, and RTE should get on with it without the srinking violets of the commercial world.

I do not want DTT to be marketed, I want it to be launched. If it was launched, it would market itself.

maxg · 06-11-2009 03:12PM

Where should the free channels come from?
The UK channels want a licence fee for a rebroadcast and someone has to pay for the broadcast costs at the transmitters.

Elmo · 06-11-2009 03:24PM

maxg wrote: »

Where should the free channels come from?
The UK channels want a licence fee for a rebroadcast and someone has to pay for the broadcast costs at the transmitters.

IMO

BAI should launch a new licence to provide a number of extra channels to one company, One of the the channels being the most important with regulations based on the number of Irish hours (by genre). (Say 3 channels, one company e.g. TV5, C5 and 5live).

All of the Community and Local channels available on DTT.

RTÉ and TV3 should each launch extra FTA channels with most of the regultion over RTÉ1 AND 2 and TV3 e.g. RTÉ Three and 3e little or no regulation.

TG4 should provide the Oirechtas TV service and should be part of the IFB film service (2 new PBS semi-state bodies are not required).

This would be the total extra FTA channels available on DTT (all of which must be must carry on cable and sate).

If an arrangement can be met to provided RTÉ 1, 2, TV3 and TG4 on FreeView in the North then BBC 1, 2, UTV and C4 should be available on ROI DTT. However I see the problems that TV3 and UTV would have with such an arrangement. At this stage I don't see why people really want any version of ITV1 when TV3 is available.

The rest of the space should be given to Pay TV and On Demand services.

This would certainly be attractive to many people in 4 TV land, even without the free PBS NI services.

Elmo · 06-11-2009 03:31PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

From what you say, there is collusion between Sky, NTL and RTE that is determined to promote pay TV while in Britain thay have a push for FREEsat and FREEview because most people want FREE TV and not PAY TV.

I think we want the same, but it is not being offered. BAI, Dept of Comms, and RTE should get on with it without the srinking violets of the commercial world.

I do not want DTT to be marketed, I want it to be launched. If it was launched, it would market itself.

All I am saying is that RTÉ, TV3, SKY, UPC and others lobby the government. It makes sence for them to want a pay service on DTT rather than a free one. Just look at what sky did in the UK with service Picnic, that is pressure from sky, sky are really happy that we have gone for Pay TV.

Also we have a stronger history of pay TV.

Also FreeView and FreeSat are heavily marketed.

Sam Russell · 06-11-2009 04:23PM

Elmo wrote: »

Also we have a stronger history of pay TV.

We have a history of paying to receive British TV because we had to cable the city to get it and we had to pay the cost of that. There used to be a forest of TV aerials over Dublin all pointing east. If I remember, RTE were a large shareholder in Cablelink, but Cablelink did not pay anything to the Beeb or ITV for the rights. Hardly PayTV, more a deflector type operation.

A deal under the Good Friday agreement could bring NI TV to the rest of Ireland and our TV to NI. [Not likely but possible.]

Apogee · 06-11-2009 05:53PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

A deal under the Good Friday agreement could bring NI TV to the rest of Ireland and our TV to NI. [Not likely but possible.]

If the political will was there, it could certainly be done on a quid pro quo basis.

With Eamon Ryan in charge, it'll happen just after we get universal broadband.

Elmo · 06-11-2009 07:30PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

We have a history of paying to receive British TV because we had to cable the city to get it and we had to pay the cost of that. There used to be a forest of TV aerials over Dublin all pointing east. If I remember, RTE were a large shareholder in Cablelink, but Cablelink did not pay anything to the Beeb or ITV for the rights. Hardly PayTV, more a deflector type operation.

RTÉ bought into Cablelink towards its last 20 years, forced to sell a major part of it to TÉ (eircom) by Minister Burke and eventually forced out of Cablelink by Minister O'Rorke as she insisted that it be privatized. Like many other countries Cable was used to help with coverage in our case it was for a better reception for the British Channels. Cable in Ireland has been around since the mid-1960s. Northern Ireland only got it in 1996.

The Cush · 06-11-2009 10:26PM

bk wrote: »

Because Ireland is so late to the game, for SDwe areending up with a strange hybrid, DVB-T + MPEG4.

Not so strange, Ireland announced in Jul 08 that the standard would be DVB-T/MPEG-4, almost two years before that announcment Estonia launched their DTT service in MPEG-4 and every country since that have launched or plan to launch their DTT service DVB-T/MPEG-4 (one exception - Croatia plan to launch with MPEG-2). France were using it for their SD pay-TV service since early 2006 (debate started 2004, decision made 2005) and Sweden and Denmark are in the process of migrating.

Elmo wrote: »

And the Digital Dividend isn't the same in every EU country?

The Digital Dividend spectrum will be the same in all EU countries 790-862, if or when they decide to release it (in fact the ITU co-allocated this band with mobile in 2007 for all ITU Region 1 countries). Right now 9 EU countries have indicated they will release the spectrum - not including Ireland still consulting. No EU state is obliged to release this band for new uses other than broadcasting, but if and when they do, then they will have to follow common technical parameters.

Elmo wrote: »

What more do we get out of DTT than the UK by going with different standards or what more does France get or what less does Sweden get?

I don't understand your question. You still appear to be concerned about DTT standards, perhaps this DVB link may be of some help. You can cross reference them with the NorDig Requirements and Irish Minimum Receiver Requirements and Boxers original receiver spec.
Happy reading

Sam Russell wrote: »

Why do I not get any info from RTENL or BAI or RTE or the Dept of Communications about DTT?

The service hasn't launched yet, still in engineering test mode.

Sam Russell wrote: »

A deal under the Good Friday agreement could bring NI TV to the rest of Ireland and our TV to NI. [Not likely but possible.]

This RTE reply to Ofcom's The Future of Digital Terrestrial Television consultation from 2007 might be of interest.

DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

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