Sharia Law, Here?

DaveSlats wrote: »

Except that it is not fine to have parallel legal systems.

Which is why I used the English law system as an example, where common law allows for third party adjudication in civil matters, in this case a sharia court or even a Jewish beth din, and which doesn't create a parallel legal system.

And why i also said i had no idea if we have provisions for a similar system here (i don't think we do, but i'm open to correction) and something like that would be a necessary requirement.

netwhizkid wrote: »

Theres yer problem, and with liberal attitudes to immigration and neo-feminism causing the European caucasian race to die because of Birth Control pills and this attitude that having children is evil will lead to a Muslim majority. Ireland thankfully has the highest birth rate in the EU but even we are not renewing ourselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

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Oh hey, i love that video, it's such delightful paranoid fear mongering bullshit.

cantankerous wrote: »

They're already 25% of holland. Who's to say in 300 years time we won't go the way of the native americans?

I'm not racist. But if people belong to a culture incompatible with western values then we should be careful about how many we let in.

Cultures are not static monolithic entities, attempts to preserve them as such are stupid.

besides in 300 years we'll all be dead and I'd wager the world will look a hell of a lot different than it does now, in terms of world powers, cultures, beliefs, languages, attitudes etc, much as the world now is vastly different to the world of 300 years ago.

Attempting to stop that is like shouting at the sun not to rise.

I for one welcome the ensuing Islamication of Holland. We are about a generation away form the luvvies attacking multi-culturalism. Some have started already. The trendies and twitterers then follow.

asdasd wrote: »

REally,. it woiuld just be a matter of States controlling borders, would it not?

You sound like you have given in. If we become islamic, so what. Shrug. In later colonial societies the colonised produced plenty of people like you.

Change is inevitable, though i believe that's the most inventive 'west brit' reference ever to grace AH.

For a stupid, meaningless soundbite, that's pretty clever.

asdasd wrote: »

Why would we not want to preserve.

1) Womens rights.
2) homosexual marriages.
3) Freedom of religion.
4) Freedom of the Press.
5) Democratic, not Sharia laws.

etc. Do we just say that "cultures changes" when these things go away.

Your mistake, is your assumption that should change happen what will happen is the current culture will be replaced with the worst parts of the one you're afraid of.

This of course, ignores that a change like the one your proposing isn't instant and that the new culture is unlikely to be a straight over riding of the other. A blend is far more likely. but that's not as scary, so lets not mention it

Of course you've also ignored the fact that like every culture, Islam isn't a unified whole. Like everything else it's fractured, there are hardliners and moderates and those who want to reform and change. But once again, not scary enough so lets ignore that too.

asdasd wrote: »

Do the cultists of the Multi-Cult actually believe in anything.

It's your strawman, why don't you ask him?

cantankerous wrote: »

They're already 25% of holland. Who's to say in 300 years time we won't go the way of the native americans?

I'm not racist. But if people belong to a culture incompatible with western values then we should be careful about how many we let in.

Muslims make up 6 to 7% of The Netherlands. Don't know where 25% is coming from.

Kipperhell wrote: »

The current thinking is a multi-cultural is bad but an inter-culture is good. in other words you don't separate people.

People seperate themselves. Always have done and will continue to do so.

This of course, ignores that a change like the one your proposing isn't instant and that the new culture is unlikely to be a straight over riding of the other. A blend is far more likely. but that's not as scary, so lets not mention it

Of course you've also ignored the fact that like every culture, Islam isn't a unified whole. Like everything else it's fractured, there are hardliners and moderates and those who want to reform and change. But once again, not scary enough so lets ignore that too.

Who knows? Islam is, by Western standards, in it's entirety illberal. The only liberal muslim is a secular muslim, of which there are a few. There is a possibility of integration, but in general that would involve efforts to integrate.

the blend thing is nonsense. What is the blend between gay marriage and gay beheadings? Is it just to ban homosexuality, pleasing neither side. Cultures can blend if they have similarities in common, Islam can't blend with secularism unless it actually loses most of what it believes in, and monotheistic religions only do that as people discard their beliefs. This has happened to Christianity, outside of the American Southern States, however it may not happen to Islam.

To assume that it will is to either assume that Western culture is superior, and will obviously cause an integration, or that all histories follow the Western path. Neither is guaranteed.

As I said, when larger muslim populations are actually influencing decisions, along with conservative Christians, or others the liberal gloves will come off. But why not now? Nobody holds back from criticising Catholicism - despite the practice in majority Catholic countries of liberalism - in the UK where it is a minority, and one which was historically despised.

The reason is both fear, liberal tribalism ( crime thought gets you kicked out of fraternity), and a transfered fear of Islam which cannot be expressed ( it will be clear to future historians that the present form of Angry Secularism dates from 9/11 even if it attacks the Pope more than the Imam).

Secularists bashing Catholicism are taking the easy route.