Pavee Point spokesman on The Last Word

dsmythy · 29-10-2009 08:24PM

Whoa there people not ALL of them. Just the MAJORITY of them seem of little economic use. Everyone can tell the story of the Polish/Latvian/African/Chinese/Pakistani guy who they worked with. Few tell the story of the Roma Gypsy though. I wonder why that is?

Terry · 29-10-2009 08:27PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Living in Ireland. We aren't being racist simply commenting on the high percent of beggers in Ireland who come from the Roma Community.

Ever been to London?
Plenty of Irish beggars there.
By your logic, that makes you and me beggars too.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We need more Judges like that and less Pikey apologists like Collins

Careful now.
I don't want to see "Pikey" used in that way in this thread again.
It will result in a ban.

Didn't read this far?
That's not my problem.

grenache wrote: »

With all due respect Zohan, when have you honestly ever seen a Roma working in this country? It doesn't happen. They dont understand the concept of 'work'. I think this is a fair statement. Thats not me being racist, thats the truth. I'm on my mobile now but shall get you details of Roma crime rates in Ireland in a while when i'm on a pc. I'm sure they will back up my original post.

My friend works with a Roma. Shocking, I know.

Hootanany wrote: »

The Roma were ejected from India many moons ago and settled in Romania They are not wanted here that is for sure

Well that's just blatant racism.
Take a week off.

segaBOY · 29-10-2009 08:27PM

An interesting article from the BBC

Organised crime

Nowhere in Europe has there been more controversy over crime in the Roma community than in Italy, where the government recently declared a state of emergency following various high profile crimes blamed on the Roma.

In Milan in 2007, just after Romania entered the European Union, police noticed a surge in theft and pick-pocketing carried out by Roma children.

They launched a major investigation involving phone-tapping and surveillance, which revealed that a criminal gang was using the children to generate huge profits.

"In a month period, each kid earned about 12,000 euros (£10,500). Then, 12,000 euros times by 50 kids, and if we do the maths, we reached an astronomical amount of money," says Francesco Messina, who led the police operation.

Members of the gang were jailed for up to 14 years in prison for enslaving and exploiting the children, many of whom were discovered locked in a shed when police raided the camp.

The rescued children were taken into care, but the BBC's This World programme discovered two of the boys had gone back to the streets of Milan, and were stealing again. Even this huge police operation had not saved them from a life of crime.

helimachoptor · 29-10-2009 08:28PM

Hootanany wrote: »

The Roma were ejected from India many moons ago and settled in Romania They are not wanted here that is for sure

They are not wanted in Romania, or another other European country for that matter. They are really viewed beyond disgusting throughout the vast majority of europe.

DazMarz · 29-10-2009 08:28PM

Ever since I was scammed by some motherf*cker in Rome about 3 years ago, I always give ANYONE who approaches me on the street begging/soliciting/pleading or whatever with the same little phrase, and it makes me feel so much better. It begins with 'f' and concludes with 'f'... there's an 'uck' and and 'of' in the middle. Best phrase ever invented...:D

segaBOY · 29-10-2009 08:32PM

DazMarz wrote: »

Ever since I was scammed by some motherf*cker in Rome about 3 years ago, I always give ANYONE who approaches me on the street begging/soliciting/pleading or whatever with the same little phrase, and it makes me feel so much better. It begins with 'f' and concludes with 'f'... there's an 'uck' and and 'of' in the middle. Best phrase ever invented...:D

I have to say you are doing yourself proud....

ilovelamp2000 · 29-10-2009 08:34PM

What definition of racism is used as the barometer for judging posts on here ?

The mods need some training.

staker · 29-10-2009 08:47PM

What disappointed me most about his interview was when asked what action Pavee Point would be taking against the comments made by the judge, Mr. Collins didn't know what to say.

He didn't even know how many were here in the country,yet suggested giving these people the dole.

We really are the laughing stock of europe at times, here look we're broke, but have the shirt off our back anyway

grenache · 29-10-2009 08:47PM

Terry wrote: »

My friend works with a Roma. Shocking, I know.

Are you sure its not a Romanian? If it is indeed a Roma, i would be very very surprised.

Horsefumbler · 29-10-2009 08:50PM

grenache wrote: »

Are you sure its not a Romanian? If it is indeed a Roma, i would be very very surprised.

so would I. I can honestly say I've never seen or heard from anyone of a roma that worked. Pretty astonishing considering the amount of them here and they been here a good few years noy

TheInquisitor · 29-10-2009 08:51PM

Horsefumbler wrote: »

They got my friend with the old shove-a-magazine-in-your-face-at-the-ATM trick. really jacked his ass

They tried the exact same on me. Out on a night out after 3-4 pints. Went to ATM. Suddenly 2 newspapers started hitting my face and i heard someone push a button on machine. Threw back both my elbows and caught the two of them in the face and knocked them back. I kept the money. They were a romanian man and woman around 40 odd and started calling me racist when they recovered. I was after that incident alright. That night a gang of them were arrested for said offense

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojojauauau/

Scum and leaches of society

Terry · 29-10-2009 08:52PM

segaBOY wrote: »

An interesting article from the BBC

Organised crime

Nowhere in Europe has there been more controversy over crime in the Roma community than in Italy, where the government recently declared a state of emergency following various high profile crimes blamed on the Roma.

In Milan in 2007, just after Romania entered the European Union, police noticed a surge in theft and pick-pocketing carried out by Roma children.

They launched a major investigation involving phone-tapping and surveillance, which revealed that a criminal gang was using the children to generate huge profits.

"In a month period, each kid earned about 12,000 euros (£10,500). Then, 12,000 euros times by 50 kids, and if we do the maths, we reached an astronomical amount of money," says Francesco Messina, who led the police operation.

Members of the gang were jailed for up to 14 years in prison for enslaving and exploiting the children, many of whom were discovered locked in a shed when police raided the camp.

The rescued children were taken into care, but the BBC's This World programme discovered two of the boys had gone back to the streets of Milan, and were stealing again. Even this huge police operation had not saved them from a life of crime.

I got €600,000.
What did everyone else get?

Rosco1982 wrote: »

What definition of racism is used as the barometer for judging posts on here ?

The mods need some training.

You really do not want to start crap with me on this thread.
If you have a problem, then the help desk is the place to go.

Question a mod decision here again and I will ben you.

ilovelamp2000 · 29-10-2009 08:55PM

It's not entirely their fault if they aren't working here and end up begging.

A lot of the Roma in Ireland have come from Romania - the difficulty there being that they need work permits to get a job.

Before Romania became a recognised member of the EU a person from Romania could claim asylum in Ireland and get all the associated benefits with that. Now they can't.

So they can't claim asylum and can't legally work without a permit, so they could easily end up needing to beg and steal to stay alive.

Terry · 29-10-2009 09:00PM

grenache wrote: »

Are you sure its not a Romanian? If it is indeed a Roma, i would be very very surprised.

Horsefumbler wrote: »

so would I. I can honestly say I've never seen or heard from anyone of a roma that worked. Pretty astonishing considering the amount of them here and they been here a good few years noy

Talk about ****ing stereotyping.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't laugh at racist jokes. Last week's Family guy (The one where Lois discovers her Jewish heritage) was funny as ****, but I'm quite aware that not all Jews are as they as portrayed in stereotypes.

So we all sit here in our post Celtic tiger economy and bitch about immigrants.
I' not going to lie and say that I'm not pissed off about Poles coming here and undercutting me. I am pissed off about it. However, I don't ****ing blame them.
They saw an opportunity and took it.
Fair play to them.

Do I hate Polish people becuase some of them turk mah jerrb?
No. They are just trying to provide for their families and make a better life for themselves.

There was a time...

Edit: Oh yeah. Both him and his brother are Roma and they both have jobs.

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-10-2009 09:11PM

i have no problem with any immigrant who came over to WORK and did WORK and contribute to the nation,its all gone tits up now and they are in the same boat as the rest of us

these people are different

Horsefumbler · 29-10-2009 09:15PM

Terry wrote: »

So we all sit here in our post Celtic tiger economy and bitch about immigrants.
I' not going to lie and say that I'm not pissed off about Poles coming here and undercutting me. I am pissed off about it. However, I don't ****ing blame them.
They saw an opportunity and took it.
Fair play to them.

Do I hate Polish people becuase some of them turk mah jerrb?
No. They are just trying to provide for their families and make a better life for themselves.

um, I don't see anyone complaining about poles here to be fair. Work with a lot of them and get on really well with them. Same can be said for all the other eastern europeans I know or have worked with. So I don't think it's really a fair comparison to be honest;)

Lollipops23 · 29-10-2009 09:18PM

Terry wrote: »

Edit: Oh yeah. Both him and his brother are Roma and they both have jobs.

While that's great, I don't know and have never known any Roma's in employment. I myself work with an Estonian and a Pole in just my department. There are several Lithuanians, Russians, Lativians and South Americans (not quite sure what part) in my company.

Pretty much any nationality you can mention, most of us will know of an example of them in employment. Honestly, and I'm really not trying to offend or stoke this fire, I have never heard of a Roma person in employment.

segaBOY · 29-10-2009 09:18PM

Terry wrote: »

Talk about ****ing stereotyping.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't laugh at racist jokes. Last week's Family guy (The one where Lois discovers her Jewish heritage) was funny as ****, but I'm quite aware that not all Jews are as they as portrayed in stereotypes.

So we all sit here in our post Celtic tiger economy and bitch about immigrants.
I' not going to lie and say that I'm not pissed off about Poles coming here and undercutting me. I am pissed off about it. However, I don't ****ing blame them.
They saw an opportunity and took it.
Fair play to them.

Do I hate Polish people becuase some of them turk mah jerrb?
No. They are just trying to provide for their families and make a better life for themselves.

There was a time...

Edit: Oh yeah. Both him and his brother are Roma and they both have jobs.

In fairness Terry noone mentioned Poles coming here to work or laughing at racist jokes

. This thread has a completely different slant, we are not talking about immigrant workers, we are talking about the comments made by Judge Aingeal Ni Chonduin about the Roma and how their children are "raised to steal".

lightening · 29-10-2009 09:21PM

DazMarz wrote: »

I always give ANYONE who approaches me on the street begging/soliciting/pleading or whatever with the same little phrase, and it makes me feel so much better. It begins with 'f' and concludes with 'f'... there's an 'uck' and and 'of' in the middle. Best phrase ever invented...:D

You know, you are going to say that to the wrong person and end up lying on your back staring at the back of your eyelids?

(that's if you really actually do that or your just a little bit brave online

)

I recently saw a hero like yourself do the exact same thing to an Indian girl in a sari asking for directions. I was mortified as she got back in to her car with her husband terrified.

Aidric · 29-10-2009 09:27PM

Despite all the evidence to the contrary you will still have the wide eyed yawn merchants demanding the Roma's get a fair crack at the whip.

Terry · 29-10-2009 09:41PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

i have no problem with any immigrant who came over to WORK and did WORK and contribute to the nation,its all gone tits up now and they are in the same boat as the rest of us

these people are different

By these people, I assume you mean the Roma.
Please explain how they are different, with proof, before I ban you.
You have an hour.

Horsefumbler wrote: »

um, I don't see anyone complaining about poles here to be fair. Work with a lot of them and get on really well with them. Same can be said for all the other eastern europeans I know or have worked with. So I don't think it's really a fair comparison to be honest;)

I've heard plenty of complaints about the Poles and other Eastern Europeans.
I've had to fix shoddy work done by Poles and Lithuanians.
I've met Poles falling down the street druck as ****.
Turns out they're just like us.

Lollipops23 wrote: »

While that's great, I don't know and have never known any Roma's in employment. I myself work with an Estonian and a Pole in just my department. There are several Lithuanians, Russians, Lativians and South Americans (not quite sure what part) in my company.

Pretty much any nationality you can mention, most of us will know of an example of them in employment. Honestly, and I'm really not trying to offend or stoke this fire, I have never heard of a Roma person in employment.

I've worked with North Americans, Australians, South Africans, Greeks, Russians, Germans, Chinese, Vietnames, Spaniards, Portugese, Italians, Scots, Welsh, English, Nordies (I don't care what anyone says. They changed after the brown bull incident), Swedes, People from the really religious parts of America (different breed to the average American), Egyptians and a couple of other nationalities.
I've never worked with anyone from anywhere else in the world. Therefore they must all be beggars. Is that the correct logic being applied here?

segaBOY wrote: »

In fairness Terry noone mentioned Poles coming here to work or laughing at racist jokes . This thread has a completely different slant, we are not talking about immigrant workers, we are talking about the comments made by Judge Aingeal Ni Chonduin about the Roma and how their children are "raised to steal".

Actually, if you read the thread, you will see that it has very little to do with comments made by a judge and more to do with people taking pot shots at Roma gypsies.

WindSock · 29-10-2009 09:45PM

Roma are asylum seekers. Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work and get less than E20 a week to spend. I work with one though. Nice chap.

Crann na Beatha · 29-10-2009 09:46PM

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segaBOY · 29-10-2009 09:49PM

Terry wrote: »

Actually, if you read the thread, you will see that it has very little to do with comments made by a judge and more to do with people taking pot shots at Roma gypsies.

I still don't understand why you're going off in a tangent talking about Poles and laughing at racist jokes. It has nothing to do with the thread imo.

WindSock · 29-10-2009 09:54PM

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Care to post something more constructive to me rather than a crudely constructed copied face palm?
Wtf is your problem with my post?

thomond2006 · 29-10-2009 09:54PM

Martin Collins = troll :mad:

segaBOY · 29-10-2009 09:57PM

WindSock wrote: »

Roma are asylum seekers. Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work and get less than E20 a week to spend. I work with one though. Nice chap.

Since Romania and the majority of the countries Roma Gypsies live in are in the EU they are not seen as Asylum Seekers. There is a strict policy on human rights being up to scratch before a country can join the EU. There is currently no war happening within the EU and the EU guarantees religious freedoms. Should rule out your point, I doubt you actually work with one tbh.

Crann na Beatha · 29-10-2009 10:00PM

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Jumpy · 29-10-2009 10:06PM

WindSock wrote: »

Care to post something more constructive to me rather than a crudely constructed copied face palm?
Wtf is your problem with my post?

I think its a comment on the "asylum seekers are not allowed to work" followed by "I work with one though".

At least thats what I gathered.

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-10-2009 10:16PM

Right well im heading for a ban because i cant find any evidence of any Roma having a job that is legal,so im completely wrong along with the judiciary in Ireland,the guards and 90% of the posters on this thread

Terry you seem like a decent guy but it seems to me you are trying to defend the indefensible

night folks

Pavee Point spokesman on The Last Word

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