'Irish Las Vegas' planned

staker · 28-10-2009 11:05PM

Dempsey wrote: »

If yer rich enough to have a private jet, I dont think paying for a helicopter to taxi you from Shannon, Cork, Dublin or even Knock to a Casino/Racecourse/Golf Club is going to cost you a thought

Hadn't thought of that, from a financial point of view, but it's like flying to Birmingham isn't it? Would i fly to London first??

drkpower · 28-10-2009 11:06PM

What is all this talk of priivate jets..?!?!:D:eek:

This place will be aimed at the regular punter. The ultra-rich set will hardly be moved to go here as opposed to monte carlo or vegas. It needs a close by international airport ot have any chance of bringing in big numbers.

mikemac · 28-10-2009 11:08PM

fergusman wrote: »

The presence of Michael Lowry at the launch hinders this development rather than helps it in my opinion...given his tainted reputation but i hear hes a good man to get an oul licence (just ask Denis O Brien)

You don't top the poll every single election by being ineffective!
His record speaks for itself....well for Tipp North anyway

If the corruption never happened, he could have been the next Taoiseach and the first from Tipperary.

Dempsey · 28-10-2009 11:27PM

mikemac wrote: »

You don't top the poll every single election by being ineffective!
His record speaks for itself....well for Tipp North anyway

If the corruption never happened, he could have been the next Taoiseach and the first from Tipperary.

Not a Lowry supporter but I agree, he gets the job done and oh how Fianna Gael miss him. They surely would be currently in power if he was still in the party.

What is all this talk of priivate jets..?!?!

This place will be aimed at the regular punter. The ultra-rich set will hardly be moved to go here as opposed to monte carlo or vegas. It needs a close by international airport ot have any chance of bringing in big numbers.

I'm sure Quirke has thought of this though. The main problem is getting the planning permission and licence sorted

laugh · 28-10-2009 11:55PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm sure Quirke has thought of this though.

He is a Doctor after all.

rossie1977 · 28-10-2009 11:55PM

shamblertine wrote: »

I disagree, having it in the West coast will do ok during the summer months, but it would bomb for the rest of the year. It has to be near Dublin. This is where people have the highest spending power, where the biggest concentration of the population is, and is also the closest spot for UK visitors. Most yanks coming to Ireland will come into Dublin first anyway.

if we take the foxwoods example (which by the way is the most profitable casino on earth), its built in the middle of nowhere in rural connecticut so location has little to do with whether a casino will be successful or not, if location has anything to do with anything vegas would never have got off the ground back in the 40s, its in the middle of the hottest desert on earth with no city within 300 miles

Dempsey · 29-10-2009 12:01AM

laugh wrote: »

He is a Doctor after all.

PhD in slot machines! :pac:

rossie1977 · 29-10-2009 12:01AM

drkpower wrote: »

What is all this talk of priivate jets..?!?!:D:eek:

This place will be aimed at the regular punter. The ultra-rich set will hardly be moved to go here as opposed to monte carlo or vegas. It needs a close by international airport ot have any chance of bringing in big numbers.

atlantic city has a tiny airport but nobody flies into atlantic city, everyone buses it from NYC, DC, philly. no reason why a similiar setup cannot work here, bus from galway, limerick, cork or dublin, 20euro of free slotplay, free buffet coupons on the bus

drkpower · 29-10-2009 12:15AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

atlantic city has a tiny airport but nobody flies into atlantic city, everyone buses it from NYC, DC, philly. no reason why a similiar setup cannot work here, bus from galway, limerick, cork or dublin, 20euro of free slotplay, free buffet coupons on the bus

True but Philly, a city of 2m people, is only 30 miles away while NYC (15-20m together) and Baltimore are within 90m or so. In otherwords, there is far far less importance for Atlantic City to make sure that it is extremely well connnected by transport.

But in any case, its a minor detail, given the appropriate links it could work well, I just think that when you have an area that is in need of development and has an international airport ready to go, why not just do it?

drkpower · 29-10-2009 12:23AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

if we take the foxwoods example (which by the way is the most profitable casino on earth), its built in the middle of nowhere in rural connecticut so location has little to do with whether a casino will be successful or not, if location has anything to do with anything vegas would never have got off the ground back in the 40s, its in the middle of the hottest desert on earth with no city within 300 miles

Again, Foxwoods is about 30 miles or so from Hartford (about 1.4m) and the general area is far more populated than Ireland and obviously you have Boston 75m north and NYC 100m south (over 20m between them). We need to attract foreign visitors and the convenience of arriving into your destination rather than 60-100 miles away is one not to be forgotten. It means not needing to arrange a transfer, not needing to hire car; in a competitive market, these issues do matter.

In adddition, in Foxwoods case, it wasnt as if they had a blank map and could build it anywhere. It was built on a specific Indian reservation - they couldnt build it 70 miles up the road beside Logan.

fergusman · 29-10-2009 01:00AM

drkpower wrote: »

Again, Foxwoods is about 30 miles or so from Hartford (about 1.4m) and the general area is far more populated than Ireland and obviously you have Boston 75m north and NYC 100m south (over 20m between them). We need to attract foreign visitors and the convenience of arriving into your destination rather than 60-100 miles away is one not to be forgotten. It means not needing to arrange a transfer, not needing to hire car; in a competitive market, these issues do matter.

In adddition, in Foxwoods case, it wasnt as if they had a blank map and could build it anywhere. It was built on a specific Indian reservation - they couldnt build it 70 miles up the road beside Logan.

I agree with drkpower, youre not comparing like with like when comparing Foxwoods with tipp in all fairness.
Casinos can only be built in certain areas in the U.S. and in most states gambling of any kind is illegal. The indians (native americans) were given casino licences as a type of compensation for basically being raped by the european settlers.
This is certainly not the case in europe where most countries have legalised casinos for donkeys years.

In the U.S. most people HAVE to travel to get to a casino resort but if you have a large enough population base in neighbouring cities then youre sorted.
We dont have that here.

Also when you arrive in vegas airport youre only 10 mins from the strip.

Also a lot of casino organisations are seriously struggling right now.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 29-10-2009 01:12AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who gives a shít. It's not the government footing the bill so let them waste all the money they want. Means more going into the economy and a few extra jobs.

I can see it all now:

"Taxpayer made to foot the bill of a failed development... somehow..."

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 29-10-2009 01:14AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

atlantic city has a tiny airport but nobody flies into atlantic city, everyone buses it from NYC, DC, philly. no reason why a similiar setup cannot work here, bus from galway, limerick, cork or dublin, 20euro of free slotplay, free buffet coupons on the bus

No matter what business it is, location is key.

rossie1977 · 29-10-2009 01:31AM

fergusman wrote: »

Also when you arrive in vegas airport youre only 10 mins from the strip.

Also a lot of casino organisations are seriously struggling right now.

that wasn't always the case, mccarran didn't open till 1963 by which time vegas was already worldwide known

casinos are struggling because of the amount of debt they took on board, sheldon adelson thought it was ok to borrow $10 billion to build an entire street of resorts on the Cotai Strip, station casinos figured they were doing great business buying up all their stock at nearly $100 a share, mgm mirage didn't think they would run into trouble by building city center

'Irish Las Vegas' planned

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