The EU is about to attack the headshops.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-10-2009 11:26PM #1

Last march Harney banned the the sale of BZP in Ireland, in no time an alternative was offered . It now looks as if the party will be completly over for these shops. Under new EU proposals it looks like there will be a blanket ban on all herbal drugs except for mild remedies that will be EU approved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222980/Herbal-drug-crackdown-Millions-face-having-buy-remedies-black-market-Europe-tightens-rules.html

genericguy · 27-10-2009 11:29PM

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

Terry · 27-10-2009 11:31PM

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

liah · 27-10-2009 11:33PM

I'd like to see it on a website that isn't the Daily Fail before I get up in arms about this.

Elessar · 27-10-2009 11:33PM

Jesus wept :rolleyes:

jumpguy · 27-10-2009 11:37PM

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

davyjose · 27-10-2009 11:37PM

genericguy wrote: »

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

Yeah, nature .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzylpiperazine

Rented Mule · 27-10-2009 11:39PM

That'll teach you hippies to get off of your lazy asses and vote next time.

SV · 27-10-2009 11:40PM

:rolleyes:

what more could you expect.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-10-2009 11:41PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

That'll teach you hippies to get off of your lazy asses and vote next time.

There will be no voting next time, its all over, I told them so.

Jaeger 90 · 27-10-2009 11:41PM

genericguy wrote: »

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

BZP far worse for you then MDA - jesus you just take any hippy 'anti-authority' crap sold to you as fact don't you?

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-10-2009 11:44PM

Jaeger 90 wrote: »

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

I believe BZP has been cut into pills for the last few years and probably neat at that. Anyone done should have a case as what they possessed was probably perfectly legal at the time.

anonymous_joe · 27-10-2009 11:47PM

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

From who? Nobody cares. I've have absolutely no opinion on headshops at all. I don't especially enjoy any substances other than alcohol. And I've tried several. (For the record all were legal-ish when and where I indulged. Having a Dutch girlfriend was handy for a while.

)

Most people couldn't give two fúcks about headshops.

galwayrush · 27-10-2009 11:48PM

Thx for the heads up/:rolleyes:

genericguy · 27-10-2009 11:48PM

Jaeger 90 wrote: »

BZP far worse for you then MDA - jesus you just take any hippy 'anti-authority' crap sold to you as fact don't you?

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

absolutely not, but most of the stuff in those shops is perfectly innocuous. and it's not up to harney and her friends to tell people what is and isn't good for them.

let's see, she's banning these shops. and sunbeds.
sunbeds can cause cancer if used innapropriately.
how about cigarettes? they cause cancer if used correctly, yet there's no talk of that being banned.
What about fluoride in water? it's shyte for the human body, yet nobody has any issues there either. (no refs handy, check pubmed yourselves)
the catholic church's members may rape your children, yet nobody;s banning that.

i don't like these pills, but it's not up to me to make sure nobody else enjoys them.

Overheal · 27-10-2009 11:49PM

Terry wrote: »

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

Been smokin' them hops again?

zonEEE · 27-10-2009 11:50PM

and just when they started coming out with products that were nearly as good as the real thing

Hope mephedrone survives the storm!

27-10-2009 11:51PM

It's a good thing these things are gone.. The proper illegal stuff is much better and not as bad for you.

TomCo · 27-10-2009 11:52PM

I'm a big fan of personal freedom and consumer choice, but I think you're probably safer with the devil-you-know when it comes to illicit drugs.

These new designer drugs haven't been around long enough for us to see the possible side effects and potential pitfalls from casual or long term use.

Anyway, Spice is rubbish.

jumpguy · 27-10-2009 11:53PM

anonymous_joe wrote: »

From who? Nobody cares. I've have absolutely no opinion on headshops at all. I don't especially enjoy any substances other than alcohol. And I've tried several. (For the record all were legal-ish when and where I indulged. Having a Dutch girlfriend was handy for a while. )

Most people couldn't give two fúcks about headshops.

Everyone in the EU does not only include you. I know many people who use herbal remedies and find them effective, whether that's a placebo effect or not is up for debate.

davyjose · 27-10-2009 11:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a good thing these things are gone.. The proper illegal stuff is much better and not as bad for you.

Absomalutely. We're all gonna die someday cos of them.

BZP - now with 20% more cancer. for that smooth cancery taste.

27-10-2009 11:55PM

Took one of the legal things before and jesus christ.. Crawling the walls the next morning wanting sleep and for everything to go away. Felt like I was goin demented.

Unless you binge on regular stuff, it's all rosey.

Sangre · 27-10-2009 11:55PM

Source other than the daily mail? What jurisdiction does the EU have to do this?

anonymous_joe · 27-10-2009 11:57PM

jumpguy wrote: »

Everyone in the EU does not only include you. I know many people who use herbal remedies and find them effective, whether that's a placebo effect or not is up for debate.

But they're talking about headshops?

Look, let's be honest, if they are going to do this, it's not herbal remedies they're after, it's all the salvia, party pills and so on so forth.

Terry · 27-10-2009 11:58PM

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

I'll just take the first bit.

...if stoners were not self indulgent twats.

I'm going to wait for the thread to grow a bit before I prove my point.

jumpguy · 28-10-2009 12:02AM

anonymous_joe wrote: »

But they're talking about headshops?

Look, let's be honest, if they are going to do this, it's not herbal remedies they're after, it's all the salvia, party pills and so on so forth.

Then why can they not just target them through regulation?

fredzer · 28-10-2009 12:07AM

genericguy wrote: »

absolutely not, but most of the stuff in those shops is perfectly innocuous. and it's not up to harney and her friends to tell people what is and isn't good for them.

She is the Minister for Health, so health stuff kinda is on her portfolio.

I do agree with you that they should not be banned but above remark struck me as odd!! If they legalised some decent drugs people would not have to resort to using BZP and other muck!

28-10-2009 12:10AM

Oh well. It's all shite.

fredzer · 28-10-2009 12:10AM

Terry wrote: »

I'll just take the first bit.

...if stoners were not self indulgent twats.

I'm going to wait for the thread to grow a bit before I prove my point.

I can't wait ......

Piriz · 28-10-2009 12:10AM

no more salvia?? :eek:

probably for the best:o

El Weirdo · 28-10-2009 12:18AM

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

Curved bananas were never actually banned by the EU.

Was the European Union trying to ban straight bananas, or bent ones? This story goes back so far that a lot of people are no longer sure quite what the scandal was about. They just remember that Brussels seemed to be taking an unhealthy interest in the shape of this fruit.

Here is the correct answer: the commissioners have no problem with straight bananas, it's the crooked ones they don't like so much, but they have never banned them. As Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 puts it, bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature". In the case of "Extra class" bananas, there is no wiggle room, but Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape", and Class 2 bananas can have full-on "defects of shape".
No attempt is made to define "abnormal curvature" in the case of bananas, which must lead to lots of arguments. Contrast the case of cucumbers (Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88), where Class I and "Extra class" cucumbers are allowed a bend of 10mm per 10cm of length. Class II cucumbers can bend twice as much.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

The EU is about to attack the headshops.

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