The EU is about to attack the headshops.

Run_to_da_hills

Last march Harney banned the the sale of BZP in Ireland, in no time an alternative was offered . It now looks as if the party will be completly over for these shops. Under new EU proposals it looks like there will be a blanket ban on all herbal drugs except for mild remedies that will be EU approved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222980/Herbal-drug-crackdown-Millions-face-having-buy-remedies-black-market-Europe-tightens-rules.html

genericguy

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

Terry

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

liah

I'd like to see it on a website that isn't the Daily Fail before I get up in arms about this.

Elessar

Jesus wept :rolleyes:

jumpguy

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

davyjose

genericguy wrote: »

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

Yeah, nature .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzylpiperazine

Rented Mule

That'll teach you hippies to get off of your lazy asses and vote next time.

SV

:rolleyes:

what more could you expect.

Run_to_da_hills

Rented Mule wrote: »

That'll teach you hippies to get off of your lazy asses and vote next time.

There will be no voting next time, its all over, I told them so.

Jaeger 90

genericguy wrote: »

sorry kids, nature is illegal. no more exotic herbal mixtures for you.

BZP far worse for you then MDA - jesus you just take any hippy 'anti-authority' crap sold to you as fact don't you?

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

Run_to_da_hills

Jaeger 90 wrote: »

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

I believe BZP has been cut into pills for the last few years and probably neat at that. Anyone done should have a case as what they possessed was probably perfectly legal at the time.

anonymous_joe

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

From who? Nobody cares. I've have absolutely no opinion on headshops at all. I don't especially enjoy any substances other than alcohol. And I've tried several. (For the record all were legal-ish when and where I indulged. Having a Dutch girlfriend was handy for a while. )

Most people couldn't give two fúcks about headshops.

galwayrush

Thx for the heads up/:rolleyes:

genericguy

Jaeger 90 wrote: »

BZP far worse for you then MDA - jesus you just take any hippy 'anti-authority' crap sold to you as fact don't you?

Worse thing is the dealers trying to pass bzp off as ecstasy.

absolutely not, but most of the stuff in those shops is perfectly innocuous. and it's not up to harney and her friends to tell people what is and isn't good for them.

let's see, she's banning these shops. and sunbeds.
sunbeds can cause cancer if used innapropriately.
how about cigarettes? they cause cancer if used correctly, yet there's no talk of that being banned.
What about fluoride in water? it's shyte for the human body, yet nobody has any issues there either. (no refs handy, check pubmed yourselves)
the catholic church's members may rape your children, yet nobody;s banning that.

i don't like these pills, but it's not up to me to make sure nobody else enjoys them.

Overheal

Terry wrote: »

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

Been smokin' them hops again?

zonEEE

and just when they started coming out with products that were nearly as good as the real thing Hope mephedrone survives the storm!

It's a good thing these things are gone.. The proper illegal stuff is much better and not as bad for you.

TomCo

I'm a big fan of personal freedom and consumer choice, but I think you're probably safer with the devil-you-know when it comes to illicit drugs.

These new designer drugs haven't been around long enough for us to see the possible side effects and potential pitfalls from casual or long term use.

Anyway, Spice is rubbish.

jumpguy

anonymous_joe wrote: »

From who? Nobody cares. I've have absolutely no opinion on headshops at all. I don't especially enjoy any substances other than alcohol. And I've tried several. (For the record all were legal-ish when and where I indulged. Having a Dutch girlfriend was handy for a while. )

Most people couldn't give two fúcks about headshops.

Everyone in the EU does not only include you. I know many people who use herbal remedies and find them effective, whether that's a placebo effect or not is up for debate.

davyjose

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a good thing these things are gone.. The proper illegal stuff is much better and not as bad for you.

Absomalutely. We're all gonna die someday cos of them.

BZP - now with 20% more cancer. for that smooth cancery taste.

Took one of the legal things before and jesus christ.. Crawling the walls the next morning wanting sleep and for everything to go away. Felt like I was goin demented.

Unless you binge on regular stuff, it's all rosey.

Sangre

Source other than the daily mail? What jurisdiction does the EU have to do this?

anonymous_joe

jumpguy wrote: »

Everyone in the EU does not only include you. I know many people who use herbal remedies and find them effective, whether that's a placebo effect or not is up for debate.

But they're talking about headshops?

Look, let's be honest, if they are going to do this, it's not herbal remedies they're after, it's all the salvia, party pills and so on so forth.

Terry

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

I'll just take the first bit.

...if stoners were not self indulgent twats.

I'm going to wait for the thread to grow a bit before I prove my point.

jumpguy

anonymous_joe wrote: »

But they're talking about headshops?

Look, let's be honest, if they are going to do this, it's not herbal remedies they're after, it's all the salvia, party pills and so on so forth.

Then why can they not just target them through regulation?

fredzer

genericguy wrote: »

absolutely not, but most of the stuff in those shops is perfectly innocuous. and it's not up to harney and her friends to tell people what is and isn't good for them.

She is the Minister for Health, so health stuff kinda is on her portfolio.

I do agree with you that they should not be banned but above remark struck me as odd!! If they legalised some decent drugs people would not have to resort to using BZP and other muck!

Lia_lia

Oh well. It's all shite.

fredzer

Terry wrote: »

I'll just take the first bit.

...if stoners were not self indulgent twats.

I'm going to wait for the thread to grow a bit before I prove my point.

I can't wait ......

Piriz

no more salvia?? :eek:

probably for the best:o

El Weirdo

jumpguy wrote: »

There would be uproar at this - it'd be a poor move by the EU. Then again, this was the crowd that banned imperfect fruit (straight bananas were a rare sight there for a while). It'd be much more sensible to bring in more regulation instead.

Curved bananas were never actually banned by the EU.

Was the European Union trying to ban straight bananas, or bent ones? This story goes back so far that a lot of people are no longer sure quite what the scandal was about. They just remember that Brussels seemed to be taking an unhealthy interest in the shape of this fruit.



Here is the correct answer: the commissioners have no problem with straight bananas, it's the crooked ones they don't like so much, but they have never banned them. As Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 puts it, bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature". In the case of "Extra class" bananas, there is no wiggle room, but Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape", and Class 2 bananas can have full-on "defects of shape".
No attempt is made to define "abnormal curvature" in the case of bananas, which must lead to lots of arguments. Contrast the case of cucumbers (Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88), where Class I and "Extra class" cucumbers are allowed a bend of 10mm per 10cm of length. Class II cucumbers can bend twice as much.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

ShooterSF

Don't use any of this stuff but what the hell is wrong with live and let live? I have never been dragged into a headshop and forced to try stuff...

genericguy

fredzer wrote: »

She is the Minister for Health, so health stuff kinda is on her portfolio.

I do agree with you that they should not be banned but above remark struck me as odd!! If they legalised some decent drugs people would not have to resort to using BZP and other muck!

no, her job is to ensure that the health service runs smoothly with the resources it has. and tbh, a cnut that fat has no right to be in a job with anything health related on the portfolio. the single worst thing for your health is to be overweight, and the fat bint isn't doing anything about that.

anonymous_joe

jumpguy wrote: »

Then why can they not just target them through regulation?

Easier? Pleases moany types? Not going to be a good reason I reckon.

ShooterSF wrote: »

Don't use any of this stuff but what the hell is wrong with live and let live? I have never been dragged into a headshop and forced to try stuff...

Because there'll be loads of old biddies and moany types who look at things like headshops as in some way bad.

Most people, as I said earlier, won't care that much, but you get to please a vocal minority. I guess.

genericguy

espinolman wrote: »

Herbalism has been suppressed for centuries anyway ,because it helps people , anything that helps people and is good for them is attacked.

i think it;s to do with the fact that if herbal meds work for you then you could grow your own, same with weed. if we could grow our own nurofens/solpadein etc the pharma companies would lose a fortune and so would the government.

xoxyx

I just find it hard to believe that something more hasn't been done already.
So - call me green - but when I first went to Electric Picnic the year before last, I knew a lot of the people I was going with would be taking lots of drugs. Hash doesn't agree with me, and, as for the rest, I could take them or leave them. So, I thought the safe bet would be to stock up on some legal stuff.
Now, this is completely my own stupidity, but I never thought to check up on what was in these things. I just assumed that, as they were being sold freely, they were safe enough.
Fortunately for me I had a great time. I didn't get much from what I bought from the head shop, but neither did I get ill. However, a friend of mine, who has taken a fair share of drugs in her day, took one party pill on the first night and missed the rest of the weekend. She spent the entire time throwing up!
About a year later, I started hearing reports on the news, as BZP was being banned, about people having seriously bad reactions from the stuff.
Fair enough - if you take a pill from somebody you don't really know, you have to go with what happens - but the fact that these are being sold so easily and can be so dangerous and are so easily available is a bit off to me.

Herbal Deity

ShooterSF wrote: »

Don't use any of this stuff but what the hell is wrong with live and let live? I have never been dragged into a headshop and forced to try stuff...

"But what about the children, Joe...."

The_Minister

Anyone read the article?

Anyone?

ShooterSF

The_Minister wrote: »

Anyone read the article?

Anyone?

I don't read red top rags...
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I just assume the outrage in advance.

Run_to_da_hills

ShooterSF wrote: »

I don't read red top rags...
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I just assume the outrage in advance.

The Dailymail is a blue top rag.

anonymous_joe

The_Minister wrote: »

Anyone read the article?

Anyone?

It's more fun to speculate.

K-9

The_Minister wrote: »

Anyone read the article?

Anyone?

It's Run_ta_da_hills time.

Just look at the Daily Mail Headline and run.

Ruu_Old

What's wrong with good old wood glue or dry erase board markers? Back to basics, chaps.

Pace2008

Will this actually affect headshops at all? The article says it's a ban on 'herbal remedies,' and while headshops used to market their products as 'herbal highs,' they're boxing clever these days and generally label their wares as bath salts, plant feeders, or incense -- none of which, they claim, are for human consumption.

Terry wrote: »

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

Aye, **** personal preference.

What's wrong with good old wood glue or dry erase board markers? Back to basics, chaps.

Not a fan of brain damage, thanks.

doonothing

I've only recently tried some legal drugs (other than those awful party pills and salvia ****e), and I'm shocked how good some of them are! Mint Mania (or mint madness, something like that!) really clean high, no feeling of being out of control, no comedown, no difficulty eating or sleeping, no terrible hangover.. Really superior to most illegal drug experiences I've had!
And smoke, that legal marijuana substitute, that Triple X stuff is surprisingly good!
So all in all, just like shrooms, the second I start to like a legal drug, it's going to get banned isn't it. Sigh..

marco_polo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Last march Harney banned the the sale of BZP in Ireland, in no time an alternative was offered . It now looks as if the party will be completly over for these shops. Under new EU proposals it looks like there will be a blanket ban on all herbal drugs except for mild remedies that will be EU approved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222980/Herbal-drug-crackdown-Millions-face-having-buy-remedies-black-market-Europe-tightens-rules.html

Regulation and approval for sale of only proven safe products != Blanket ban

http://www.imb.ie/images/uploaded/documents/2716588_Guide.pdf

This legislation is designed to provide an appropriate legal framework for placing traditional herbal medicinal products on the market within the European Community. It introduces a simplified registration procedure that gives traditional herbal medicinal products recognition and enhanced status, while ensuring protection of public health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive_on_Traditional_Herbal_Medicinal_Products

OutlawPete

Ruu wrote: »

What's wrong with good old wood glue or dry erase board markers?

Nothing wrong with them and I bet they are still be used by the kids with nothing and who want a high to escape the real pain of growing up and having it tough in Dublin.

These kids getting 'high' from these damn headshops though are all a bunch of fecking rich kids spending daddy's money. They are all minted. You see them all hanging out with designer baggies and trying to dress shabby in clothes that cost a fortune while pretending they are street tough yobs.

The reality is that by 9pm most of them, if not all, are tucked up in their detacthed Foxrock with a cup of cocoa from mommy.

Pace2008

Nico22 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with them and I bet they are still be used by the kids with nothing and who want a high to escape the real pain of growing up and having it tough in Dublin.

These kids getting 'high' from these damn headshops though are all a bunch of fecking rich kids spending daddy's money. They are all minted. You see them all hanging out with designer baggies and trying to dress shabby in clothes that cost a fortune while pretending they are street tough yobs.

The reality is that by 9pm most of them, if not all, are tucked up in their detacthed Foxrock with a cup of cocoa from mommy.

I can guarantee neither you nor I have a clue what the **** you're on about.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Terry wrote: »

I don't care what anyone says. If you want a natural high, then beer is the way to go.
You can't beat it.

Sorry... natural? Good one...

Herbal Deity

Nico22 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with them and I bet they are still be used by the kids with nothing and who want a high to escape the real pain of growing up and having it tough in Dublin.

These kids getting 'high' from these damn headshops though are all a bunch of fecking rich kids spending daddy's money. They are all minted. You see them all hanging out with designer baggies and trying to dress shabby in clothes that cost a fortune while pretending they are street tough yobs.

The reality is that by 9pm most of them, if not all, are tucked up in their detacthed Foxrock with a cup of cocoa from mommy.

What?

OutlawPete

Pace2008 wrote: »

I can guarantee neither you nor I have a clue what the **** you're on about.

Can you now?

Well you try not to hurt yourself now won't you.