HSE employee sick for 6 years receiving €216,667 p/a

thomond2006 · 27-10-2009 05:05PM

Ah, the health service, the most consistent* organisation in Ireland.

*At pissing us off. :mad:

The_Minister · 27-10-2009 05:29PM

Can the thread title be amended as it is very misleading?

hoody · 27-10-2009 06:09PM

I'm in the civil/public service.

ErinGoBrath · 27-10-2009 06:11PM

hoody wrote: »

I'm in the civil/public service.

Get well soon

akaredtop · 27-10-2009 06:16PM

The politicians kept telling us that we had the best Public Servants in the world. It is very likely that we have the worst in the world.

Senna · 27-10-2009 06:19PM

The Monkey Pump wrote: »

Sensationalist media shyte - we know nothing about the situation. €1.3 million salary in 6 years at the HSE - my guess is that the employee is possibly a consultant surgeon. If (s)he were to have been severely injured at work by a psychotic patient and can never hold a scapel again is it right that 9s0he should sign on the dole for the rest of his/her working life?

I am all for debating the issue, but seeing as we have no idea what the issue is, we can't have much of a debate now can we?

If something like that happened and you were unable to ever return to work, you would get compensation, probably a lot more than 1.3m. But continued sick pay means they are currently sick and will be returning to work at some point in the future.

hooradiation · 27-10-2009 06:23PM

Overheal wrote: »

I really do hope more US Senators are paying attention to this crap before voting on Govercare

And i hope they have the presence of mind to be able to see the two are not related.

Poccington · 27-10-2009 06:38PM

There's a person working in the HSE, been off sick for 6 years while earning 200,000 quid a year. Of course, we can't mention their name or even tell you what their actual job is... But trust us, it actually happened!

The Independent has been doing a smashing job against the PS for the past while but until they actually tell us who this person is or where they're actually working, I'll take the story with a pinch of salt.

MarkR · 27-10-2009 06:54PM

The_Minister wrote: »

Can the thread title be amended as it is very misleading?

Didn't the person receive that amount of money?

1.3 million divided by six years comes out as that...

jumpguy · 27-10-2009 07:06PM

In the private sector, sick leave wouldn't be paid that long.

I think what needs to be clarified here is that is this sick leave out of the kindness (and stupidity) of the HSE or is this due to PRSI benefits due to serious long-term illness.

27-10-2009 07:14PM

Fuking disgusting. I don't care who he used to be or what he used to be able to do. He's not doing it now and there has to be a limit.

My Dad is on disability benefit since having stints put in his heart. Is he getting the wage he got in his old job? Fuk no.

kincsem · 27-10-2009 07:38PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

shocking, but, not surprising. as the sh*t starts to hit the fan, more and more of this will come out. this country has been in the badly run category for years.

Time to put in orders for more fans, and bigger fans.

mike65 · 27-10-2009 07:39PM

Wretched form, nothing less than one expects of this banana hole

Oh yes 2000 retired teachers are still working

About 2,000 retired teachers, many of whom are receiving pensions from the State, worked in schools last year, according to new figures supplied by the Department of Education.

These figures were supplied in response to a parliamentary question tabled by the Fine Gael education spokesman Brian Hayes.

Mr Hayes said the jobs should be given to new teaching graduates, adding that a graduate teacher recruitment scheme should be established.

Mr Hayes said a total of 1453 retired teachers were employed as substitutes in primary schools and the figure in post-primary schools was 368 during the 2008/2009 school year.

thebman · 27-10-2009 07:53PM

Poccington wrote: »

There's a person working in the HSE, been off sick for 6 years while earning 200,000 quid a year. Of course, we can't mention their name or even tell you what their actual job is... But trust us, it actually happened!

The Independent has been doing a smashing job against the PS for the past while but until they actually tell us who this person is or where they're actually working, I'll take the story with a pinch of salt.

They probably couldn't name them even if they did want to.

Thoie · 27-10-2009 07:54PM

jumpguy wrote: »

In the private sector, sick leave wouldn't be paid that long.

I think what needs to be clarified here is that is this sick leave out of the kindness (and stupidity) of the HSE or is this due to PRSI benefits due to serious long-term illness.

My PRSI benefits would only pay me €10,623.60 a year. I'll happily pay less PRSI if that would make up the other €206k ?

Though PRSI classes B,C and D don't cover illness benefit, so it's hardly that.

grenache · 27-10-2009 08:28PM

This country is rotten to the core. It makes me so angry!

Hockney · 27-10-2009 08:44PM

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html

We already knew that the 100,000 HSE employees take a nice symmetrical 100,000 days "sick leave" a month, or 12 working days each a year -- not counting their eight "privilege" days per year.

I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

irish_bob · 27-10-2009 09:56PM

Hockney wrote: »

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html

I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

yet another superb piece from irelands most honest man

The_Minister · 27-10-2009 11:11PM

irish_bob wrote: »

yet another superb piece from irelands most honest man

Kevin Myers doesn't lie about figures AFAIK. No reason to believe he started now.

unkel · 27-10-2009 11:47PM

Hockney wrote: »

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html

I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

So more than 60% of all civil servants have more than 10 sick days per year? :eek:

I'd expect a typical working person would have one or two years of their working life where they have more than 10 sick days per year. If the average working life is 40 years, that means less than 4% of all workers have more than 10 sick days per year, not 60% There's something sick going on here...

rebel.ranter · 28-10-2009 12:01AM

I heard of a Dublin Bus driver who, a few years back took two weeks sick leave suffering from verbal abuse. The chap was so bored he went back to work!

irish_bob · 28-10-2009 12:10PM

unkel wrote: »

So more than 60% of all civil servants have more than 10 sick days per year? :eek:

I'd expect a typical working person would have one or two years of their working life where they have more than 10 sick days per year. If the average working life is 40 years, that means less than 4% of all workers have more than 10 sick days per year, not 60% There's something sick going on here...

seeing that most clerical officers have SFA to do all day , they might aswell feign illness and stay at home once a month

dearg lady · 28-10-2009 12:37PM

irish_bob wrote: »

seeing that most clerical officers have SFA to do all day , they might aswell feign illness and stay at home once a month

yeah, good one, sweeping generalisations add so much to the debate :rolleyes:

The Monkey Pump · 28-10-2009 12:45PM

The fact remains though that we do not know the in's and outs of the case.I am aware of instances in the private sector where an employee who acted inappropriately was found out, however management made a fcuk up of dealing with the issue and left themselves completely exposed, the easiest solution for all involved was an indefinate "garden leave" rather than risk court action.

This also happens in the case of extreme bullying and stress. My guess is that there are some kind of extenuating circumstances here which have led the HSE to continue the salary payment. If there is a genuine medical issue then it is correct that no personal information is disclosed. To give the role of the person may have the effect of alerting coleagues to whom it may be.

Whether this is justified or not will really depend on the details of the case, these are details that we don't have. For that reson, whilst I think that it is fishy I will reserve judgement.

spank_inferno · 28-10-2009 12:56PM

That may well be true.
Management can screw up in all sectors.

However when I am paying for it its a different story.

I dont really care about the employee leave entitlements at Jacobs biscuits or Lidl or whoever.

If I give them my money its because I chose to and I receive something in return.

I do have a problem having my money taken from me without consent in the form of taxes and spend with such wastefull abandon.

googlehead · 28-10-2009 02:10PM

A girl I know well, not family, She works in the public sector but she was on maternity leave had her first child then went on sick for a bit had her 2nd child
and now is back on the sick until xmas. and she says then she will take her holidays entailments for the last 2 years she has been off. I think she said she would have 3 months holidays which will bring her back to work in april:mad:
She is not even sick now, but she said she just goes to her local doctor and does her a letter, she said that loads of people in her work especially girls on maternity leave do it. On top of this she told me the job is like a holiday camp and they
do as little as possible. I talked to her about a guy I hung around with when I was younger in her work and she said that he has only worked a few months in the last 5 years. but she said he was really taking the piss.

I lost my job not so long ago in the private sector. not great wages no overtime as I was told this, so the odd time I had to work an hour here or their. In less than 2 years that I was there I took 1 day off sick and they would not pay me for it. 3 months before I lost my job I had to take a 23% pay cut, which brought me to minimum wage, then 3 months after that things got really bad and bye bye I was jobless.

Hearing stuff like this makes me think why do I bother.

InReality · 28-10-2009 03:25PM

This is NOT a civil service thing , its a HSE thing.
The HSE is a whole seperate body to the civil service.
I wish people would realise the difference.

There are rules against full pay after 6 months, but looks like the HSE does not apply them.

That place is mis-managed so badly its beyond.
Every day you will see different stories about the crap that goes on there.
Just from today's paper.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hses-8364120m-home-care-scheme-is-run-unfairly-1925945.html
( notice HSE culture , not implementing Dept directive , and no timetable for fixing it )

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/836445m-for-girl-left-disabled-by-hospitals-negligence-1925924.html
( mistakes will occur , but notice the HSE behaviour afterwards )

Ardent · 28-10-2009 03:29PM

Another great article by Myers there, makes for harrowing reading. Makes you want to just pack your bags and get the f*ck out of this corrupt, incompetent, sh*t-hole country.

muckraker · 28-10-2009 03:37PM

TBH, anyone who believes anything the papers print about the public service needs their head examined... the amount of distortion, politically motivated bull**** and false statistics published over the last year is incredible. Take it all with a pinch of salt or check the sources (if they provide any).

That said, by all accounts, the HSE is horribly mismanaged.

twinytwo · 28-10-2009 03:42PM

this is a prime example pf why the goverment tried to stop the freedom of information act.... this country has really become an international joke.. i have a feeling that it will take large scale civil unrest before anything is actually done to clean up all the bs

HSE employee sick for 6 years receiving €216,667 p/a

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