HSE employee sick for 6 years receiving €216,667 p/a

unkel

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/euro11m-paid-to-hse-staff-on-longterm-sick-leave-1925608.html

Fine Gael is calling on the Minister for Health to make a full statement on the extent of long-term sick leave in the HSE.

The call follows the release of figures showing that more than €11m has been paid to 147 existing employees who have been on sick leave for more than six months.

One of these employees has been on leave since 2003 and has received more than €1.3m in that period.

Another has been on leave for the past 13 years and has received almost €300,000 in pay during that period.

Eight million euros of the total figure for sick leave is going to just 41 workers who have been on paid leave since 2007 or earlier.

Fine Gael health spokesperson Dr James Reilly says the situation raises questions about why frontline services are being cut back when large sums of money are still being wasted in the health service.

In my experience the private sector norm for sick pay is 2 days in a row. Not 6 years :rolleyes:

What's next? Someone working in the civil service for a year and getting 20 extra years pension entitlements? Oh, wait :mad:

Gone Drinking

Leave it out, i had the man flu..

Gummy Panda

AFAIK, under irish labour law the HSE would well be in their rights to terminate those individuals employment.

I know private sector employers usually put down the maximum amount of sick pay they will pay in a 12 month period, in the person's contract.

aidan_walsh

Loving the ad beside the story.

genericguy

that's ridiculous, tom hanks got sacked the second his bosses found out he had AIDS.

Dean820

1.3 million could build a school.

connundrum

Dean820 wrote: »

1.3 million could build a school.

An ant school.

Dord

Sickening. It just disgusts me.

Dyr

wonder if anyone noticed that they were gone..

My name is URL

Well for all anyone knows they were injured at work and are perfectly entitled to sick pay

*ducks

SEPT 23 1989

but do these people really exsist or is it just more fraud/corruption

Agricola

According to the Independent, theres someone there on leave since '97 - now moving into their 14th year of paid absence! I want that job!

Kingmaker

Employers are not obliged to provide sick pay- most will terminate any pay after a year.
This stuff makes me sick- the civil service is a joke- if you ever meet civil servants they always tell you that they are not all like that- yet recent revelations wold suggest that most of them are. If none of them are abusing the system then it must be the rest of us in the private sector that are making up all these statistics etc.
They should be ashamed of themselves for bleeding this country dry- theives, one and all.

Morlar

This reminds me of the story of the actor Bob Hoskins being hired for a spielberg movie, Spielberg decided to use someone else in the end but paid hoskins his full salary as contracts had been signed.

Hoskins responded by saying to spielberg 'If there are any more films you don't want me to be in, then let me know'.

Seriously though if the HSE have any more jobs they don't want me to do they should get in touch.

Overheal

I really do hope more US Senators are paying attention to this crap before voting on Govercare

The Monkey Pump

None of our TD's have worked since 1937 - why the outcry now?

Keano

I feel sick reading that.

/gets coat.

Zzippy

Kingmaker wrote: »

Employers are not obliged to provide sick pay- most will terminate any pay after a year.
This stuff makes me sick- the civil service is a joke- if you ever meet civil servants they always tell you that they are not all like that- yet recent revelations wold suggest that most of them are. If none of them are abusing the system then it must be the rest of us in the private sector that are making up all these statistics etc.
They should be ashamed of themselves for bleeding this country dry- theives, one and all.

Generalise much? :rolleyes:

Overheal wrote: »

I really do hope more US Senators are paying attention to this crap before voting on Govercare

What has the abuse of sick leave regulations got to do with healthcare for poor people?

akaredtop

The revelations which are coming out on a daily basis just show what a rotten Public Service we have.

hopalong85

Madness? No, this is Ireland!

Pretty ridiculous tbh, yet another horrible bit of information comes to light.

Morlar

Zzippy wrote: »

What has the abuse of sick leave regulations got to do with healthcare for poor people? :confused

Maybe it is the fear that some Americans have of ending up with a massive, public funded, unaccountable, 'not fit for purpose', inefficient bureaucracy to take care of their health care (such as the one exemplified by this 'sick leave regulations abuse' story) ?

mathie

Mooooooooooooo!
I mean Booooooooooooo!

Who are we mad at today?

Morlar

mathie wrote: »

Who are we mad at today?

Pretty much the usual. Should we be happy with them instead ? That would be nice for a change.

dearg lady

unkel wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/euro11m-paid-to-hse-staff-on-longterm-sick-leave-1925608.html

This is pretty bloody shocking, I have to agree. I wonder though, some people pay extra into an income continuance plan but I still thought even that would run out after a year.

unkel wrote: »

What's next? Someone working in the civil service for a year and getting 20 extra years pension entitlements? Oh, wait :mad:

what ya talkin bout here tho??

mathie

Morlar wrote: »

Pretty much the usual. Should we be happy with them instead ? That would be nice for a change.

Happy, angry, <insert other emotion here>.

Doesn't matter a damn unless we do something about it.

viztopia

I wonder what have teh unions got to say about this kind of thing seeing as they are the only ones that can save us now?? surley they represent some of the people on sick leave?

mathie

viztopia wrote: »

I wonder what have teh unions got to say about this kind of thing seeing as they are the only ones that can save us now?? surley they represent some of the people on sick leave?

Unions unavailable for comment due to Swine Flu.

The Monkey Pump

Sensationalist media shyte - we know nothing about the situation. €1.3 million salary in 6 years at the HSE - my guess is that the employee is possibly a consultant surgeon. If (s)he were to have been severely injured at work by a psychotic patient and can never hold a scapel again is it right that 9s0he should sign on the dole for the rest of his/her working life?

I am all for debating the issue, but seeing as we have no idea what the issue is, we can't have much of a debate now can we?

dearg lady

The Monkey Pump wrote: »

Sensationalist media shyte - we know nothing about the situation. €1.3 million salary in 6 years at the HSE - my guess is that the employee is possibly a consultant surgeon. If (s)he were to have been severely injured at work by a psychotic patient and can never hold a scapel again is it right that 9s0he should sign on the dole for the rest of his/her working life?

I am all for debating the issue, but seeing as we have no idea what the issue is, we can't have much of a debate now can we?

hmm, good point, there does seem to be a case building against the public sector by the media. Every day it's a different thing!

Dinner

Thread title seems a bit misleading. They've gotten 1.3 million in the last 6 years, so it's not really a 1.3 million salary, more of a ~€216k salary. Still a lot of money, but not as sensationalist as 1.3m.

homerjay2005

shocking, but, not surprising. as the sh*t starts to hit the fan, more and more of this will come out. this country has been in the badly run category for years.

thomond2006

Ah, the health service, the most consistent* organisation in Ireland.











*At pissing us off. :mad:

The_Minister

Can the thread title be amended as it is very misleading?

hoody

I'm in the civil/public service.

ErinGoBrath

hoody wrote: »

I'm in the civil/public service.

Get well soon

akaredtop

The politicians kept telling us that we had the best Public Servants in the world. It is very likely that we have the worst in the world.

Senna

The Monkey Pump wrote: »

Sensationalist media shyte - we know nothing about the situation. €1.3 million salary in 6 years at the HSE - my guess is that the employee is possibly a consultant surgeon. If (s)he were to have been severely injured at work by a psychotic patient and can never hold a scapel again is it right that 9s0he should sign on the dole for the rest of his/her working life?

I am all for debating the issue, but seeing as we have no idea what the issue is, we can't have much of a debate now can we?

If something like that happened and you were unable to ever return to work, you would get compensation, probably a lot more than 1.3m. But continued sick pay means they are currently sick and will be returning to work at some point in the future.

hooradiation

Overheal wrote: »

I really do hope more US Senators are paying attention to this crap before voting on Govercare

And i hope they have the presence of mind to be able to see the two are not related.

Poccington

There's a person working in the HSE, been off sick for 6 years while earning 200,000 quid a year. Of course, we can't mention their name or even tell you what their actual job is... But trust us, it actually happened!

The Independent has been doing a smashing job against the PS for the past while but until they actually tell us who this person is or where they're actually working, I'll take the story with a pinch of salt.

MarkR

The_Minister wrote: »

Can the thread title be amended as it is very misleading?

Didn't the person receive that amount of money? 1.3 million divided by six years comes out as that...

jumpguy

In the private sector, sick leave wouldn't be paid that long.

I think what needs to be clarified here is that is this sick leave out of the kindness (and stupidity) of the HSE or is this due to PRSI benefits due to serious long-term illness.

Fuking disgusting. I don't care who he used to be or what he used to be able to do. He's not doing it now and there has to be a limit.

My Dad is on disability benefit since having stints put in his heart. Is he getting the wage he got in his old job? Fuk no.

kincsem

homerjay2005 wrote: »

shocking, but, not surprising. as the sh*t starts to hit the fan, more and more of this will come out. this country has been in the badly run category for years.

Time to put in orders for more fans, and bigger fans.

mike65

Wretched form, nothing less than one expects of this banana hole

Oh yes 2000 retired teachers are still working

About 2,000 retired teachers, many of whom are receiving pensions from the State, worked in schools last year, according to new figures supplied by the Department of Education.

These figures were supplied in response to a parliamentary question tabled by the Fine Gael education spokesman Brian Hayes.

Mr Hayes said the jobs should be given to new teaching graduates, adding that a graduate teacher recruitment scheme should be established.

Mr Hayes said a total of 1453 retired teachers were employed as substitutes in primary schools and the figure in post-primary schools was 368 during the 2008/2009 school year.

thebman

Poccington wrote: »

There's a person working in the HSE, been off sick for 6 years while earning 200,000 quid a year. Of course, we can't mention their name or even tell you what their actual job is... But trust us, it actually happened!

The Independent has been doing a smashing job against the PS for the past while but until they actually tell us who this person is or where they're actually working, I'll take the story with a pinch of salt.

They probably couldn't name them even if they did want to.

Thoie

jumpguy wrote: »

In the private sector, sick leave wouldn't be paid that long.

I think what needs to be clarified here is that is this sick leave out of the kindness (and stupidity) of the HSE or is this due to PRSI benefits due to serious long-term illness.

My PRSI benefits would only pay me €10,623.60 a year. I'll happily pay less PRSI if that would make up the other €206k ?

Though PRSI classes B,C and D don't cover illness benefit, so it's hardly that.

grenache

This country is rotten to the core. It makes me so angry!

Hockney

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html

We already knew that the 100,000 HSE employees take a nice symmetrical 100,000 days "sick leave" a month, or 12 working days each a year -- not counting their eight "privilege" days per year.

I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

irish_bob

Hockney wrote: »

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html


I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

yet another superb piece from irelands most honest man

The_Minister

irish_bob wrote: »

yet another superb piece from irelands most honest man

Kevin Myers doesn't lie about figures AFAIK. No reason to believe he started now.

unkel

Hockney wrote: »

Kevin Myers' column in today's Independent has some startling stats on sick leave across the public service in general:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/madness-of-public-sector-sick-days-is-infecting-nation-1924831.html


I'd like to see some evidence to back it up, but assuming all are true it's nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

So more than 60% of all civil servants have more than 10 sick days per year? :eek:

I'd expect a typical working person would have one or two years of their working life where they have more than 10 sick days per year. If the average working life is 40 years, that means less than 4% of all workers have more than 10 sick days per year, not 60% There's something sick going on here...