CycloAssault

Quazzie · 21-10-2009 12:00PM

He was travelling at speed. She moronically walked a pedestrian crossing when all signs told her to stop. Who calculates the stopping distance of a bicycle. There is no way to prove what he done was on purpose.

cosmic · 21-10-2009 12:00PM

Damo9090 wrote: »

On purpose

If he had crashed into her who is to say it would have been on purpose? She had a lucky bloody escape if you ask me, and so did the cyclist

c0rk3r · 21-10-2009 12:03PM

Ive never been able to understand the cychology of these cyclopaths.

More importantly was the guy wearing a helmet ?

seamus · 21-10-2009 12:03PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Pedestrians as the most vulnerable road user will nearly never be found at fault for stuff like this.

Pedestrians are less vulnerable than cyclists because they are moving a good deal slower and have much more time to react to things. In this particular case, the initial offence was on the part of the woman - she failed to yield right of way and failed in her duty of ensuring that she doesn't put herself or other road users at risk. In doing so, she collided with the cyclist. Any court would assign 50:50 blame at a minimum.

Jumpy · 21-10-2009 12:05PM

No sympathy. If it had been a car then people would be blaming her for being a tool walking against the lights. The fact that it was a bike makes people assume the cyclist was at fault.
You cant stop on a pinhead like people assume you can, and by knocking her out of the way he probably saved both of them injuries.

sean_84 · 21-10-2009 12:16PM

Damo9090 wrote: »

Its not law. You must have done something really dangerous.

You're wrong:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html#zzsi182y1997a46

Captain Havoc · 21-10-2009 12:17PM

From the pedestrian section of the rules of the road

Do not cross while the "wait" or "red man" light is showing.

Hrududu · 21-10-2009 12:18PM

Sounds awfully like he pushed her out of the way and *saved* her from a collision with a bicycle.

I love how you are actually arguing over what may have happened with someone who was there and saw it all.

She was at fault for walking through a red man. But from what I've read she was not in his path. He slowed down to avoid a collision and when he passed her he punched her. Which sounds like retaliation, not a push to get her out of his way.

Of course, I wasn't there so correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Long Onion · 21-10-2009 12:20PM

Perhaps he was just trying to save her from getting stung by a wasp?

Bunnyhopper · 21-10-2009 12:23PM

caseyann wrote: »

You don't like women much do you :rolleyes:
He had no right what so ever to put his hands on her and he should get a hiding same as if a woman hits a man she should get a hiding to:mad:

The gender of the individuals involved is irrelevant to the matter under discussion. I simply can't see any reasonable basis in Quazzie's comment for an inference or accusation of misogyny.

blorg · 21-10-2009 12:23PM

grundie wrote: »

But doesn't the cyclist also have an obligation to stop for obstructions in the road?

Yes, of course he does, transpose the cyclist with a motorist deliberately plowing through pedestrians crossing a road when he could have stopped. Do you think the motorist would get away with arguing that he beeped and had a green? It is immediately obvious who is more in the wrong here.

Even if he hadn't punched her and glanced with a bag he would be in the wrong, the punch makes it into an assault which is taken very seriously by the gardai, especially if there were injuries and witnesses. Would definitely be prosecuted, not just a talking to.

From a purely legal perspective in any case pedestrians already crossing a road have priority, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The pedestrians may be guilty of jaywalking but that is a separate issue that doesn't excuse the cyclist's behaviour. (I can't shoot someone because I see them breaking a red light.)

Cyclist myself, encounter this frequently enough and the correct response is to slow and either stop or if possible and safe to do so you can inch through them slowly.

Jumpy · 21-10-2009 12:25PM

Well you see I am trying to visualise the physics of this in my head.

She crashed to the ground, were the words used so there must have been significant force or her own momentum.
If it was the case of significant force ... well if you are a cyclist try to picture yourself punching someone hard enough to take them off their feet (from the side I might add) while having any forward momentum at all. Now picture trying to stay upright after that.

Now picture a leaning push on a person trying to get out of your way. Makes far more sense in my head.

funk-you · 21-10-2009 12:26PM

And the moral of the story folks...get a car. Then you can just run over cyclists and pewney pedestrians.

-Funk

Lumen · 21-10-2009 12:29PM

People should look out for each other, not be punishing stupidity with violence.

If it's OK to deliberately cycle into a pedestrian who hasn't seen you, it's OK to drive into one too. And I wouldn't want to defend either case in court.

That said, I have cycled towards peds at speed whilst shouting warnings and slowing a little, rather than applying full brakes, providing that they are looking in my direction. I'm not sure how the justice system would approach the outcome if I hit one of them.

Jumpy · 21-10-2009 12:29PM

blorg wrote: »

Yes, of course he does, transpose the cyclist with a motorist deliberately plowing through pedestrians crossing a road when he could have stopped. Do you think the motorist would get away with arguing that he beeped and had a green? It is immediately obvious who is more in the wrong here.

Even if he hadn't punched her and glanced with a bag he would be in the wrong, the punch makes it into an assault which is taken very seriously by the gardai, especially if there were injuries and witnesses. Would definitely be prosecuted, not just a talking to.

From a purely legal perspective in any case pedestrians already crossing a road have priority, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The pedestrians may be guilty of jaywalking but that is a separate issue that doesn't excuse the cyclist's behaviour. (I can't shoot someone because I see them breaking a red light.)

Cyclist myself, encounter this frequently enough and the correct response is to slow and either stop or if possible and safe to do so you can inch through them slowly.

If you are doing the speed limit and they all mill across? I have to disagree with you there.
I dont know what brakes you have on your bike but mine take a good distance to stop without flipping me over the handlebars.

Insanodude · 21-10-2009 12:30PM

Anyone who says it wasnt her fault is clearly supporting crime ...
She broke the law by walking onto the road. If she doesnt break the law she doesnt get punched. What she did was set off a vicous chain of law breaking activity.
Kinda like if someone breaks into your house and you beat the **** out of him ... Its his fault but you can still be done for assault!

Alkers · 21-10-2009 12:32PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

A green light mean only proceed if it is safe to do so/ proceed with caution.

Clearly he showed no caution at all. Pedestrians as the most vulnerable road user will nearly never be found at fault for stuff like this. She clearly wasn't in the way if he had to reach out and strike her. Sounds like assault to me.

Do you not think a cyclist is more vunerable than a pedestrian?

lukester · 21-10-2009 12:32PM

A friend of mine threw his motorbike down the road after a ped walked out in front of him without looking. He swerved to avoid colliding and down he went, causing over a grand's worth of damage and luckily only bruising to himself.

Ped was nowhere to be seen.

While cycling, I've had several near misses with peds stepping off the footpad without looking.

There are a lot of clueless pedestrians out there. But punching is not the answer.

Mr. Presentable · 21-10-2009 12:35PM

grundie wrote: »

So there I was was, walkign home from work just before 6pm yesterday. I had got to the pedestrian crossing between Grainger's pub on Talbot Street and Connolly station.

There was a red man for pedestrains, but there weren't any cars passign at the time. So some people were nipping across from the direction of Connolly.

A cyclist comes shooting through heading north up Amiens Street and rather than slow down, he starts screaming "F***ING MOVE" and ringing his bell at the people crossing. A lady who was crossing just managed to get out of his way and as he passes her, he punches her on the shoulder sending her crashing to the ground where she ended up with bleeding knees, nose and hands.

He was going so fast no one got a good look at him, other than to determine he was wearing a suit and carrying a laptop bag on his back.

Someone called the Gards, but the cyclist was going too quick for anyone to get a descriptions so I don't think anything will come of it. The lady who got punched was quite upset initially, but went on her way after 10 minutes saying it was her fault and refusing offers of medical assistance.

I know pedestrians really shouldn't cross the road when the red man is lit, but don't drivers and cyclist also have a responsibility to slow down when someone is in the road rather than speed up and lash out?

How hard can he be to find?

CheGuedara · 21-10-2009 12:39PM

Long Onion wrote: »

Perhaps he was just trying to save her from getting stung by a wasp?

ah, the Paul Galvin defence... nice

blorg · 21-10-2009 12:41PM

Jumpy wrote: »

If you are doing the speed limit and they all mill across? I have to disagree with you there.
I dont know what brakes you have on your bike but mine take a good distance to stop without flipping me over the handlebars.

If you can't stop your bike effectively in city traffic you shouldn't be riding it there. You also need to be riding it at a safe speed, the limit is not a target. You should know how to make an emergency stop effectively modulating your front brake so as not to go over the bars.

Anyway this is completely irrelevant as OP was clear the cyclist made no attempt to stop. I know that crossing myself, he would have seen the peds crossing from miles away.

lukester wrote:

A friend of mine threw his motorbike down the road after a ped walked out in front of him without looking. He swerved to avoid colliding and down he went, causing over a grand's worth of damage and luckily only bruising to himself.

Completely different situation to the one described, if someone jumps out in front of you and you do not have time to react you did not cause the accident and are not liable. It is clear in this case the cyclist had plenty of time to react but chose not to stop.

There was a case in the UK where a cyclist plowed into a ped because he chose not to stop, killing them. Needless to say he was found guilty and fined, I honestly think he should have received a custodial sentence.

On the flip side regarding your example bikers have in fact received compensation for their injuries in cases where a ped has jumped out suddenly and they could not stop, there was even one case in the UK where the ped was killed by a motorcyclist and the motorcyclist got compensation as he did not cause the accident.

Degsy · 21-10-2009 12:42PM

I was crossing o'connel bridge yesterday morning heading southside and although the traffic lights were green there was no traffic so a number of people jaywalked as is normal.
Enter two cyclists who were up on thier pedals and travelling at a fair old pace as if they were competitors in the tour de france..one (a girl) roared "move" at the top of her voice before ploughing into a woman who was crossing the road.
The bike flipped up and a bit broke off it whereupon the cyclist started roaring "****in stupid BITCH..for ****s sake..BITCH" etc at the pretty shaken woman she'd just ploughed into..the woman muttered that she was sorry and sloped off leaving the cyclist ranting and raving with a crowd staring at her.
Now,the cyclist was technically in the right but she was travelling too fast..a motorist wont hit a pedestrian crossing at 40 miles an hour no matter what the lights say..people will always try to leggit across the road...she was just behaving like an arrogant bitch with sole ownership of the road and the way she followed up would tend to back that up.

I hate cyclists btw..they're abunch of twats with thier "five hard bananas" for a helmet.

concussion · 21-10-2009 12:42PM

Jumpy wrote: »

Well you see I am trying to visualise the physics of this in my head.

She crashed to the ground, were the words used so there must have been significant force or her own momentum.
If it was the case of significant force ... well if you are a cyclist try to picture yourself punching someone hard enough to take them off their feet (from the side I might add) while having any forward momentum at all. Now picture trying to stay upright after that.

Now picture a leaning push on a person trying to get out of your way. Makes far more sense in my head.

As an aside Jumpy, the faster he was going the more stability he would have had.

For the record, I agree with Blorg and have posted the same in the cycling forum.

stevie_b · 21-10-2009 12:42PM

the guy must have some serious skillz to be able to perform a punch which "sent her crashing to the ground where she ended up with bleeding knees, nose and hands", all while managing to stay upright while travelling at speed, and ringing his bell and shouting at the same time.

Wossack · 21-10-2009 12:42PM

Lumen wrote: »

People should look out for each other, not be punishing stupidity with violence.

If it's OK to deliberately cycle into a pedestrian who hasn't seen you, it's OK to drive into one too. And I wouldn't want to defend either case in court.

That said, I have cycled towards peds at speed whilst shouting warnings and slowing a little, rather than applying full brakes, providing that they are looking in my direction. I'm not sure how the justice system would approach the outcome if I hit one of them.

from behind

with a hand full of vasaline

seamus · 21-10-2009 12:49PM

blorg wrote: »

From a purely legal perspective in any case pedestrians already crossing a road have priority, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Not entirely true blorg. Contrary to popular belief, a pedestrian crossing the road is obliged to give way to all approaching traffic (that is, traffic which is driving on the road you wish to cross) and wait for a suitable gap before proceeding. Simply being in the road does not necessarily confer right-of-way on the pedestrian.

There is nothing in the ROTR that says that any road user has blanket "priority" over another. Except maybe emergency vehicles.

rainbowdrop · 21-10-2009 12:50PM

Wouldn't it be great if there was a Cycling Forum on here?

Cuddlesworth · 21-10-2009 12:52PM

stevie_b wrote: »

the guy must have some serious skillz to be able to perform a punch which "sent her crashing to the ground where she ended up with bleeding knees, nose and hands", all while managing to stay upright while travelling at speed, and ringing his bell and shouting at the same time.

I was just about to say this. Does anybody know how hard it is to hit somebody at speed on a bike with a outstretched arm to knock them to the ground and not end up dropping yourself?

That's leaving out actually going for a punch.

concussion · 21-10-2009 12:52PM

grundie wrote:

he starts screaming "F***ING MOVE" and ringing his bell

Seems to me if he really wanted to slow down he would have been braking, not ringing his bell. This suggests that there is no chance the nasty peds just appeareared out of no-where. What a twat.

(And I'll admit I will try to get through junctions where peds are jaywalking. I shout 'BIKE!' and keep going to remind them they should wait at red lights like everyone else. However I do slow right down and the day I hit someone I will stick my hand up and admit my culpability.)

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Does anybody know how hard it is to hit somebody at speed on a bike with a outstretched arm to knock them to the ground and not end up dropping yourself?

No. Have you tried?

Degsy · 21-10-2009 12:54PM

stevie_b wrote: »

the guy must have some serious skillz to be able to perform a punch which "sent her crashing to the ground where she ended up with bleeding knees, nose and hands", all while managing to stay upright while travelling at speed, and ringing his bell and shouting at the same time.

I dunno,did you see "Gladiator"..Russel Crow did something similar from horseback.

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