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Manchester airport trials naked-image security scans

  • 14-10-2009 04:13PM
    #1
    b3t4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭


    I'm sure this is old news to some but I've just found out about this. This was already "discussed" in AH but I haven't seen a discussion about this here.

    Manchester airport trials naked-image security scans
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/manchester-airport-naked-security-scan

    I am, extremely, uncomfortable with the idea of such a scanner being introduced. Would anyone else be? I'm particularly interested in how other women would feel about this?

    It's just an outline but by the look of the photos on that link it's quite a detailed outline. They give platitudes about how the images will not be stored and all that jazz but I'm too cynical and think that someone who wants to abuse the system will. I hate, hate, hate, hate the thought of this. Surely I'm not the only one? I find the idea of it quite invasive.

    The only people I would be ok with seeing such an image are my partner and a medical professional. I would not be ok with a member of the security staff seeing such images.

    At present, I made every effort to not cause the screen to beep. I've particular outfits that I'll wear so as to make the process easier on me, and all that jazz

    Would you have a problem with this scanner? 96 votes

    Female and ok with it
    0% 0 votes
    Female and not ok with it
    27% 26 votes
    Male and ok with it
    30% 29 votes
    Male and not ok with it
    42% 41 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    You're not obliged to use the system....just so you know.


  • #3
    b3t4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭b3t4


    Khannie wrote: »
    You're not obliged to use the system....just so you know.

    Thanks Khannie. I knew that but should of mentioned it. Right now it's not compulsory but it could very well be in the future which has me worried. Apparently, the US has ordered quite a few of them :(


  • #4
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Khannie wrote: »
    You're not obliged to use the system....just so you know.

    I would assume you'd be setting yourself for a fairly thorough body search by saying no though?


  • #5
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    stovelid wrote: »
    I would assume you'd be setting yourself for a fairly thorough body search by saying no though?

    The alternative (as I understand it) is the normal system...remove all metal from your pockets, through the metal detector, pat down if you beep, etc.

    The advantage is that there's less / no need to queue for the naked jobbie. Stroll through with your wallet in your pocket etc.


  • #6
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    The idea is that this will replace metal detectors down the road.


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  • #7
    nouveau_4.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭nouveau_4.0


    Better than being felt up after the metal detector randomly beeps.

    Is that a lump of metal in your pocket .....


  • #8
    Orla K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    I already have a naked picture of me on my wall, it was also on the internet for a while. I don't think I'd have that much of a problem with it.




    I'm not a 'perfect' size now, I'm a 14 with big boobs and a big ass.


    I used to draw naked people (models) so as a result I don't mind naked people and I don't mind people seeing me naked.


  • #9
    Snoopy1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Snoopy1


    Not sure how i feel about this. If its just one person in an isolated room, i would be ok with it. If it was a room with loads of people in, i would feel pretty uncomfortable.

    Also it says it can see genetalia etc, and implants. Can it see stuff like tampons etc???


  • #10
    TalkingHorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭TalkingHorse


    have u seen the images? Barely tell its human let alone what gender


  • #11
    Snoopy1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Snoopy1


    how can they tell if someone has breast implanrs?


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  • #12
    Malari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    I'd say if you're job is security guard and you see hundred of "naked" people every day going through this machine you will become immune to it after a while.

    Wouldn't really bother me if I ever had the bad luck to have to go to Manchester again. Less intrusive than some guard patting you down I suppose.


  • #13
    Snoopy1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Snoopy1


    Malari wrote: »
    I'd say if you're job is security guard and you see hundred of "naked" people every day going through this machine you will become immune to it after a while.

    Wouldn't really bother me if I ever had the bad luck to have to go to Manchester again. Less intrusive than some guard patting you down I suppose.

    Never thought of it like that. Now youve said that it wouldnt bother me too much


  • #14
    Malari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Snoopy1 wrote: »
    Never thought of it like that. Now youve said that it wouldnt bother me too much

    Haha! Glad to be of service :)


  • #15
    Creamy Goodness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,453 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    meh the only people that will have an objection to this are the morbidly obese and the guys with no schlongs.


  • #16
    Ghost Train
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,465 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    I think its better than a pat down search wouldn't have an issue with it as a random search method, maybe it would be more accepted if the sex of the security officer was the same as the person being scanned ie two scanners, male/female


  • #17
    b3t4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭b3t4


    Creamy Goodness wrote: »
    meh the only people that will have an objection to this are the morbidly obese and the guys with no schlongs.
    Thankfully, I am neither and I have a problem with this scanner.
    Malari wrote: »
    Less intrusive than some guard patting you down I suppose.
    I hear ya but I can avoid a pat down search by making sure I have no metal items on me which is very doable.

    If this is introduced as mandatory then I'll have to endure this all the time.

    I don't think I'd mind, too much, if you only had to go through that screen if you made the other screen beep. That way I could at least avoid the thing. Like how some airports make you scan your shoes separately.


  • #18
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    They've had these machines in the US for a while now.

    It's all very abstract. The thing that most people don't pay attention to is the fact that there is absolutely no way to correlate the image which is seen with any individual at the airport. The security type actually at the scanner sees the real person with all their clothes on, whilst the person viewing the image has absolutely no idea who the real person is and could walk by that person five minutes later and not know it.

    The main issue is the false thought that "someone else knows what I look like naked". It's not true. Really, it's "Someone else knows what someone looks like naked" but with no way to associate the image with the person, the issue simply doesn't come up as a real factor.

    NTM


  • #19
    Tupins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭Tupins


    Snoopy1 wrote: »

    Also it says it can see genetalia etc, and implants. Can it see stuff like tampons etc???

    I wouldn't think so as they are made from cotton fibres much like clothes. I think it would only show metal items or something very solid.

    Just guessing here....


  • #20
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    I want to put a smiley face cutout made of metal down the front of my jocks before I use one of these. Just to see who laughs.


  • #21
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I couldn't care less and would in fact be pleased if these replaced ordinary machines. Imagine how much quicker it would be going through airport security, you could probably shave half an hour off your journey.

    I'm well aware of the difference between someone doing their job and someone perving, whether they are looking at my (completely indistinct) image on a computer screen or patting me down.


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  • #22
    LightningBolt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    Honestly wouldn't see the big deal about it, like Manic said the person viewing the scan has no way of associating a person with the image.

    I've a mate doing software presentations at beauty trade shows in the UK and Ireland at the moment, if anyone has gone to these before it's 99% female and involves a lot of scantily clad, naked women. He says he doesn't even bat an eyelid because it's just a normal part of his job, I'd trust security staff looking at an x-ray are hardly going to be getting off at it as some people seem to suggest!


  • #23
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Tupins wrote: »
    I think it would only show metal items or something very solid.

    must...resist...not...AH...


  • #24
    Gauge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Gauge


    Are these the ones that have been in use in the USA for some time now? Those big cylindrical things where you stand in the middle and touch your head? It looks like it from the image in the article but it doesn't show a photo of the actual device so I'm not sure. I saw them when I was in San Francisco airport but didn't get to use one.

    TBH from what I can see from the picture in the article it wouldn't really bother me.


  • #25
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    "RapiScan Systems"

    Be careful with the pronunciation on that one. Long A is a no no.


    Anyway, given the way it's done (person in remote location who can't see me is seeing some digitally distorted view of my "naked" form) I wouldn't have a problem with it. Sure, I'm lumpy in a lot of places I'm not happy about, but so is everyone else. Not too worried.


  • #26
    MissFlitworth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭MissFlitworth


    As long as I'm not invited into a room to see hideous unflattering nuddy scan of myself then no problems at all at all


  • #27
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Khannie wrote: »
    You're not obliged to use the system....just so you know.
    I couldnt resist making a joke of it actually.

    "You lika whata you seea?" ;)

    :pac:
    stovelid wrote: »
    I would assume you'd be setting yourself for a fairly thorough body search by saying no though?

    Dammit. I'll take option two! :D


  • #28
    MickMacca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭MickMacca


    Creamy Goodness wrote: »
    meh the only people that will have an objection to this are the morbidly obese and the guys with no schlongs.

    yes, along with people who have half a brain left.


  • #29
    sam34
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    i'll be flying in to and out of manchester next weekend.

    im gonna try out these yokes.

    i'll report back and let ye know if any of teh security guards keel over in horror at the naked images of me :p


  • #30
    CathyMoran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    Would be concerned if they are safe in pregnancy, some people do not know if they are pregnant at the begining so until they have been proved safe in pregnancy I will not be using them.


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  • #31
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    Orla K wrote: »
    I already have a naked picture of me on my wall, it was also on the internet for a while.
    Naked pictures don't just come off the internet.

    I wouldn't mind if they can't associate the image with the person. Sounds good
    if it's going to speed up getting through security. It shouldn't be compulsory though.


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