Boxfresh's Betting System

Boxfresh · 21-09-2009 7:58pm

Bet 1: €10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88

Net Profit: +€17.96 (+€10 in play)

Boxfresh · 22-09-2009 5:23pm

Bet 1: €10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Arsenal v West Brom Over 2.5 Goal @ 1.58 LOSE

Net Profit: -€2.04

Boxfresh · 24-09-2009 10:48am

Bet 1: €10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Arsenal v West Brom Over 2.5 Goal @ 1.58 LOSE
Bet 4: €40 Juventus Draw No Bet @ 1.6
Draw

Net Profit: -€2.04

argosy2006 · 25-09-2009 12:51am

so no horses then? better odds if your looking for short prices to win,,say 5-2/ 3-1/ 4-1/ your bound to hit winners every 1 in 7 backing horses like that,,
but anyway your having quite a few wins,, which u do get in football,, i think your graduate staking plan needs to be more aggressive, 10-20-50-100-150-200-300-500-1000 hell its virtual money,, your getting no where yet having lots of wins is what i,m trying to say,,, but keep it up..

Chonaic · 25-09-2009 5:25pm

argosy2006 wrote: »

so no horses then? better odds if your looking for short prices to win,,say 5-2/ 3-1/ 4-1/ your bound to hit winners every 1 in 7 backing horses like that,,
but anyway your having quite a few wins,, which u do get in football,, i think your graduate staking plan needs to be more aggressive, 10-20-50-100-150-200-300-500-1000 hell its virtual money,, your getting no where yet having lots of wins is what i,m trying to say,,, but keep it up..

I would have to echo bits of that. You shoud probably aim in the 8/11 to 6/5 bracket for much better returns and only slighty riskier bets.

Boxfresh · 26-09-2009 11:43am

Bet 1: €10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Arsenal v West Brom Over 2.5 Goal @ 1.58 LOSE
Bet 3: €40 Juventus Draw No Bet @ 1.6 Draw €40 returned
Bet 4: €40 Everton (away) to beat Portsmouth @ 1.97

Net Profit: -€42.04

Boxfresh · 26-09-2009 8:43pm

Bet 1: €10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Arsenal v West Brom Over 2.5 Goal @ 1.58 LOSE
Bet 3: €40 Juventus Draw No Bet @ 1.6 Draw €40 returned
Bet 4: €40 Everton (away) to beat Portsmouth @ 1.97 WIN €74.86

Net Profit: +€32.82

argosy2006 · 29-09-2009 12:39am

your going ok, doing well, thats nice profit for small enough stakes,

Boxfresh · 29-09-2009 1:37pm

Bet 1: €10 Arsenal v Olympiacos - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.64 LOSE

Net Profit: +€22.82

Boxfresh · 30-09-2009 6:24pm

Bet 1: €10 Arsenal v Olympiacos - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.64 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Man Utd v Wolfsburg - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.61

Net Profit: +€2.82 +€20 in play

Boxfresh · 30-09-2009 9:46pm

Bet 1: €10 Arsenal v Olympiacos - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.64 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Man Utd v Wolfsburg - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.61 WIN €30.59

Net Profit: +€33.41

Boxfresh · 01-10-2009 3:00pm

Bet 1: €10 PSV to beat CFR Cluj @ 1.61

Net Profit: +€23.41 +€10 in play

Boxfresh · 01-10-2009 8:45pm

Bet 1: €10 PSV to beat CFR Cluj @ 1.61 WIN €15.30

Net Profit: +€38.71

Chonaic · 02-10-2009 1:26am

Just looking back through your thread, it seems you are calculating the commission on your whole return, rather than just on your winnings.

Your actually +48.77, with a 57% SR and a LSP of -1.22 not too bad.

Boxfresh · 02-10-2009 9:23am

Chonaic wrote: »

Just looking back through your thread, it seems you are calculating the commission on your whole return, rather than just on your winnings.

Your actually +48.77, with a 57% SR and a LSP of -1.22 not too bad.

Thanks for that Chonaic, much appreciated. I'm glad someone is paying attention. I'll adjust my profit accordingly and only charge commission on winnings from now on. That was a silly mistake on my behalf. Cheers!

Boxfresh · 02-10-2009 9:38am

Bet 1: €10 PSV to beat CFR Cluj @ 1.61 WIN €15.30

Net Profit: +€48.77

Edit: had to adjust the net profit due to a mistake

Boxfresh · 02-10-2009 1:54pm

Bet 2: €10 Schalke to beat Frankfurt @ 1.54

Net Profit: +€38.77 +€10 in play

Boxfresh · 03-10-2009 9:57am

Bet 1: €10 Schalke to beat Frankfurt @ 1.54 WIN €15.13

Net Profit: +€53.90

Boxfresh · 03-10-2009 10:02am

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE

Net Profit: +€43.90

Boxfresh · 03-10-2009 9:43pm

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64 LOSE

Net Profit: +€23.90

allthedoyles · 04-10-2009 1:50am

Boxfresh wrote: »

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64

Net Profit: +€23.90 + €20 in play

both NW and Leeds let us down today for an acc.

Boxfresh · 05-10-2009 12:45pm

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64 LOSE
Bet 3: €40 Man City to beat Aston Villa @ 2.66
LOSE

Net Profit: -€16.10

Boxfresh · 06-10-2009 11:53am

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64 LOSE
Bet 3: €40 Man City to beat Aston Villa @ 2.66
LOSE
Bet 4: €80 Leeds half time/full time @1.77

Net Profit: -€16.10 -€80 in play

Boxfresh · 06-10-2009 10:02pm

Bet 1: €10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64 LOSE
Bet 3: €40 Man City to beat Aston Villa @ 2.66 LOSE
Bet 4: €80 Leeds half time/full time @1.77 WIN €138.52

Net Profit: +€42.42

Boxfresh · 10-10-2009 11:56am

Bet 1: €10 Mk Dons to beat Walsall @ 1.66

Net Profit: +€32.42 + €10 in play

argosy2006 · 10-10-2009 9:53pm

would be nice profit with 100 200 400,,, on each beat,,, will you up stake any any point,

Boxfresh · 10-10-2009 9:54pm

Bet 1: €10 Mk Dons to beat Walsall @ 1.66 WIN €16.27

Net Profit: +€48.69

Boxfresh · 10-10-2009 10:00pm

argosy2006 wrote: »

would be nice profit with 100 on each beat,,, will you up stake any any point,

If I started of by using €100 stakes I'd have +€486.90 at this stage. I'm going to stick by using the €10 stakes for now though.

Boxfresh · 11-10-2009 8:41am

Bet 1: €10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02

Net Profit: +€38.69 +€10 in play

Boxfresh · 13-10-2009 1:56pm

Bet 1: €10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Livingston to beat Annan Ath @ 1.56

Net Profit: +€18.69 +€20 in play

Boxfresh · 13-10-2009 9:21pm

Bet 1: €10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Livingston to beat Annan Ath @ 1.56 WIN €30.64

Net Profit: +€49.33

POINTBREAK · 13-10-2009 10:05pm

Boxfresh wrote: »

Bet 1: €10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Livingston to beat Annan Ath @ 1.56 WIN €30.64

Net Profit: +€49.33

This is interesting. How many bets have you had in total and what has your outlay been. I know I could trawl back through the thread but I assume you have those details. The reason I ask is so I can see the ROI.

POINTBREAK · 13-10-2009 10:08pm

Boxfresh wrote: »

Bet 1: €10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02 LOSE
Bet 2: €20 Livingston to beat Annan Ath @ 1.56 WIN €30.64

Net Profit: +€49.33

I dont understand this one........... you lost 10 and then had 20 on at 1.56 ?
That would only be a profit of .64 surely?

L'prof · 13-10-2009 10:21pm

POINTBREAK wrote: »

I dont understand this one........... you lost 10 and then had 20 on at 1.56 ?
That would only be a profit of .64 surely?

Read through the thread and it will make sense!

POINTBREAK wrote: »

This is interesting. How many bets have you had in total and what has your outlay been. I know I could trawl back through the thread but I assume you have those details. The reason I ask is so I can see the ROI.

I'm too lazy to do any more, but her's all the bets:

€10 St. Patricks to beat Monaghan Utd @ 1.4 LOSE
€20 Kettering to beat Gateshead @ 1.57 WIN €29.83
€10 England to beat Croatia @ 1.62 WIN €15.39
€10 Leeds (away) to beat Southend @ 1.96 Lose Southend 0-0 Leeds
€20 Liverpool/Liverpool ht/ft @ 1.63 WIN €32.63 Liverpool 4-0 Burnley
€10 Man Utd V Tottenham - (Man Utd Draw No Bet) @ 1.64 WIN €15.58 Tottenham 1-3 Man Utd
€10 Hamilton v Hibernian @ 2.0 LOSE
€20 Nantes to beat Strasbourg @ 1.73 WIN €32.87
€10 Man Utd (away) to beat Besiktas @ 1.56 WIN €14.82
€10 Liverpool v Debrecen - Over 2.5 goals @ 1.46 LOSE
€20 Ajax half time/full time @ 1.94 LOSE
€40 Arsenal half time/full time @ 1.81 WIN €68.78
€10 Barcelona v Atl Madrid - Over 2.5 goals @ 1.43 WIN €13.56
€10 Man Utd to beat Man City @ 1.6 WIN €15.20
€10 Sp Lisbon half time/full time @ 1.88 LOSE
€20 Arsenal v West Brom Over 2.5 Goal @ 1.58 LOSE
€40 Juventus Draw No Bet @ 1.6 Draw €40 returned
€40 Everton (away) to beat Portsmouth @ 1.97 WIN €74.86
€10 Arsenal v Olympiacos - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.64 LOSE
€20 Man Utd v Wolfsburg - Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.61 WIN €30.59
€10 PSV to beat CFR Cluj @ 1.61 WIN €15.30
€10 Schalke to beat Frankfurt @ 1.54 WIN €15.13
€10 Newcastle to beat Bristol City @ 1.6 LOSE
€20 Everton to beat Stoke @ 1.64 LOSE
€40 Man City to beat Aston Villa @ 2.66 LOSE
€80 Leeds half time/full time @1.77 WIN €138.52
€10 Mk Dons to beat Walsall @ 1.66 WIN €16.27
€10 Notts County v Torquay - HT/FT Notts/Notts @ 2.02 LOSE
€20 Livingston to beat Annan Ath @ 1.56 WIN €30.64

POINTBREAK · 13-10-2009 10:36pm

29 Bets
540 invested
49.33 Profit

An ROI of about 9% isnt great ,but a profit is a profit. The average profit per bet is 1.70 and if you can maintain that the road to more profit must be ,do more bets. Good luck.

L'prof · 13-10-2009 10:46pm

POINTBREAK wrote: »

29 Bets
540 invested
49.33 Profit

An ROI of about 9% isnt great ,but a profit is a profit. The average profit per bet is 1.70 and if you can maintain that the road to more profit must be ,do more bets. Good luck.

Better than the bank

dsmythy · 13-10-2009 11:02pm

POINTBREAK wrote: »

29 Bets
540 invested
49.33 Profit

An ROI of about 9% isnt great ,but a profit is a profit. The average profit per bet is 1.70 and if you can maintain that the road to more profit must be ,do more bets. Good luck.

You'll struggle to find many with a higher ROI. 9% is brilliant for someone who may not devote their entire time to it.

wb · 14-10-2009 12:11am

With all due respect to Boxfresh...

I'm not sure I understand the thread. Are they selections that show a profit over time or is it simply loss chasing?

If it's the latter, would one not be quicker using the roulette wheel?

I mean, could anyone not do this really? Real money loss-chasing almost always goes t*its up as the stakes end up too high.... but if using fake money, loss chasing will always show a profit as the recovery bank is limitless; so I'm unsure what the purpose of the thread is. Would these selections show a profit to levels?

Do you for example, have a stakes limit (or a bank for want of a better word) that would bust this system?

(OP - I make these comments genuinely - not trying to be argumentative here, but just wondering if I'm missing something).

I should also add that I once ran a loss-chase system on this forum many many moons ago but it was just for fun and I entitled the tread 'Don't try this at home" !

In_tuition · 14-10-2009 12:51am

Read his 1st post. He's trying out a system. I know most of us know all about the system and other system's - that being they don't work cause if they did then we'd all be fecking at it :pac:

now whether he is actually using his own money to place the bets well that's up to him, but if I am right in reading then this thread was only set up to have an attempt at the system. i know no one is knocking the bloke to the floor but it's heading that way, leave him to it I say, in ain't gone totally pear shaped but I was a little worried when I seen the €80 bets coming out a while back and hoped he hadn't be using his own funds.

wb · 14-10-2009 12:55am

Ah no, I'm not knocking the guy.

But I do worry when people start talking about a 9% ROI etc and I'm wondering if they understand the term fully. Of course it's going to show a positive ROI if you work out the ROI following a successful bet! But how about working out ROI in the middle of a losing run?

Boxfresh, I'm not trying to moan about what you are doing - just saying be careful with loss-chasing and the readers of the thread should be too.

In_tuition · 14-10-2009 12:58am

I know you've more cop on and respect for other punters than to be knocking them, but when a few people start to gather and ask questions well you know yourself, the proverbial onslaught usually ensues

POINTBREAK · 14-10-2009 9:08am

wb wrote: »

Ah no, I'm not knocking the guy.

But I do worry when people start talking about a 9% ROI etc and I'm wondering if they understand the term fully. Of course it's going to show a positive ROI if you work out the ROI following a successful bet! But how about working out ROI in the middle of a losing run?

Boxfresh, I'm not trying to moan about what you are doing - just saying be careful with loss-chasing and the readers of the thread should be too.

My understanding of ROI (return on investment) is quite simple. I take all the money invested, add it up, and work out the return that I then convert to a percentage. If there is some other way of doing it please let me know.
There is a big difference between this and Roulette. In Roulette you are betting at even money when the odds are against you 19/18. In Boxfreshs system the odds on element gives a much better strike rate. In horse racing for example 74% of favourites priced at 1/2 and worse win. I imagine football is much the same. Boxfresh has a strike rate in line with what you would expect at almost 71%

wb · 14-10-2009 9:53am

But my point is that you cannot work out ROI on something like this.

You are choosing to work out the ROI after each successful bet. If we worked it out after each bet (including the losing bets) most times the ROI would be negative.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking his selections - indeed, he's had some good bets. But I'd suggest that if they are profitable to level stakes, there are safer ways to go about making money from them.

Boxfresh · 14-10-2009 10:12am

Sorry guys I haven't got time to reply to all your comments cos I'm at work but I'll try and get to them this evening. You might see me online all the time but that's cos I'm always logged on when using boards.ie on my mobile and peeking in from time to time.

At the start of this thread I think I said somewhere that if I was to reach a series of 6 bets that I would call that a fail. I also said that I was using virtual money but I am actually doing these bets with much smaller stakes.

I initially started this thread to test out this system. I seen it somewhere else where the guy made €600 profit in 3 or 4 months. I'm aiming for €500 but it's working out alot slower for me! Hope that answer some questions.

wb · 14-10-2009 10:16am

That answers my questions perfectly Boxfresh - thanks, and best of luck.

POINTBREAK · 14-10-2009 10:22am

wb wrote: »

But my point is that you cannot work out ROI on something like this.

You are choosing to work out the ROI after each successful bet. If we worked it out after each bet (including the losing bets) most times the ROI would be negative.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking his selections - indeed, he's had some good bets. But I'd suggest that if they are profitable to level stakes, there are safer ways to go about making money from them.

I dont understand what you mean by that. All the sites that track tipsters work out ROI the same way I do. They dont work it on each individual bet. If they did that how would they come up with an ROI figure?
So far he has invested 540 and made a profit of 49. I make that an ROI 8.32%. If I had 29 different ROI figures, one for each bet, it would be meaningless.

wb · 14-10-2009 10:36am

Yes, you are correct in how you calculate ROI - but my point is that you worked it out after a winning sequence.

Let's say he hits a losing run now and his next stake is more than the 49 profit...

Then, that bet loses. If you work out the ROI at that point, it would be negative.

My point is that you are waiting until the end of each sequence to work out the ROI.

That's why ROI is meaningless on loss-chasing. I'm not quibbling with the figures.

POINTBREAK · 14-10-2009 11:12am

wb wrote: »

Yes, you are correct in how you calculate ROI - but my point is that you worked it out after a winning sequence.

Let's say he hits a losing run now and his next stake is more than the 49 profit...

Then, that bet loses. If you work out the ROI at that point, it would be negative.

My point is that you are waiting until the end of each sequence to work out the ROI.

That's why ROI is meaningless on loss-chasing. I'm not quibbling with the figures.

I worked it out on all the information that was available. He had 29 bets in total. I didnt wait till he had a winner. There is no other way of doing it.

Boxfresh · 14-10-2009 5:49pm

Bet 1: €10 England half time/full time @ 1.63

Net profit €39.33 +€10 in play

POINTBREAK · 14-10-2009 9:13pm

Boxfresh wrote: »

Bet 1: €10 England half time/full time @ 1.63

Net profit €39.33 +€10 in play

Early goal. Good luck.

Boxfresh's Betting System

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