Liverpool squad/keeper/spending comparison thread [read post #161]

whatawaster wrote: »

well he's better than Park.
He's better than Nani
He's better than Valencia.
He gets in the Dutch team
He'd get in the United team.

park is not first choice.

nor is valencia

nor is nani.

so you pick 3 sqaud players to put him up against? LOL

you make this so easy.

I'm simply amazed that people still speak to ntbell and his kind. Seriously. Amazed. What a waste of time.

Step away from your keyboards and go do something more productive.

whatawaster wrote: »

Who's your first choice RW?

depends, who's the opposition left back?

whatawaster wrote: »

it's either Park, Nani or Valencia.

And your reply to my above post where you said i made it too "easy" by picking those players makes it clear you know Kuyt is better than all of them.

night night

huh?

try count how many players this season alone the amount of players who at some stage played on the RW

count, name, and come back

k/thnx/bai

rarnes1 wrote: »

Valancia and Nani can't cement a permanent RW place.

That speaks volumes in fairness.

PS all your posts are B0llix

sorry just saw post

The Muppet wrote: »

They claim they have and that is supported by the figures. Before the yanks took over Liverpool spent on average £10 million per season on transfers., since they took over that average has risen to over £ 15 million per season.

To claim Rafa has not been given financial support is plainly wrong. He hasn't been given a bottomless pit but he has been given considerable money to spend.

Rafa’s average spend per season is around £14million.
That’s very similar to United, less than Spurs, I think less than Villa, not much more than Sunderland, a lot less than Chelsea and City.
Why isn’t he judged by the same standards as Martin O’Neill?

whatawaster wrote: »

Rafa’s average spend per season is around £14million.
That’s very similar to United, less than Spurs, I think less than Villa, not much more than Sunderland, a lot less than Chelsea and City.
Why isn’t he judged by the same standards as Martin O’Neill?

No it's not, it's higher than everyones with the obvious exception of Chelsea and City.

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

How much was he given this season muppet?

Since the yanks took over he has had plenty of money to spend, £69 million in season one £39 million in season two and £36 million so far this season. How that level of spending can be classed as unsupportive is strange.

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

£36 million spent on transfers lets say approx
£36 million gained on transfers lets say approx

NET Spend = approx 0
Money put into transfers this season by Owners approx 0

Hasn't purslow said Rafa was given £28 million of new money this season? £36 million to spend is a lot of money irrespective of the source, if the yanks were as unsupportive as claimed thay could have pocketed that money.

The club is a business and like any business it hast to be able to generated the revenue to pay it's costs. He can't be given £70 million every year.

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Do you want to go through the figures again?
By any stretch of the imagination where would you get +28 mil net?

They are not my figures , they are official club figures, purslow being the source.

The Muppet wrote: »

Hasn't purslow said Rafa was given £28 million of new money this season? £36 million to spend is a lot of money irrespective of the source, if the yanks were as unsupportive as claimed thay could have pocketed that money.

The club is a business and like any business it hast to be able to generated the revenue to pay it's costs. He can't be given £70 million every year.

He’s including contract renewals for existing players, signing on fees, agent fees etc.

The kind of thing that we add on to no other clubs transfer fees. So for arguments sake here, we have to leave them out.

I don’t know how anyone could argue that we’ve spent any significant money on transfers this summer.
Alonso out – widely reported to be for an initial 30m
Arbeloa out – around 3.5 million

Johnson in – around 17m
Aquilani in – around 17m (confirmed by Roma)
Kyriakos in – around 2 million

Liverpool sold a few youths and bought one or two as well. That all adds up to a quite immaterial transfer spend.
If we apply to Liverpool the same transfer spend criteria we do to United, Arsenal and everyone else then I don’t see how anyone could say we spend money in the summer.

Boggles wrote: »

Which players got new contracts this season?

I think – Yossi, Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Kuyt, Agger?

whatawaster wrote: »

I don’t know how anyone could argue that we’ve spent any significant money on transfers this summer.
Alonso out – widely reported to be for an initial 30m
Arbeloa out – around 3.5 million

Johnson in – around 17m
Aquilani in – around 17m (confirmed by Roma)
Kyriakos in – around 2 million

That's £36 million spent , thats significant money. I see your point that he recouped that from sales but as I said earlier the yanks could have pocketed the money.


To be fair and to get a realistic picture of whats happening you cant just take half of one season in isolation and base an opinion on that. There is another transfer window this season, Rafa may have funds available for that, we don't know.

whatawaster wrote: »

I think – Yossi, Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Kuyt, Agger?

I dont want a whole debate over this but all of the signing on fees etc for those players contracts will be taken from 'transfer money' available. Its going to be a handsome sum considering who is included in there.

Now, i know folk dont like it but has it ever occurred to you that benitez may have held onto some of his 'projected money' for whatever reason?, maybe the manager didnt find the right player or if he did, he wasnt available? Maybe hes had enough of the 'dossena's' and is biding his time for a serious aquisition? (stated in hope more than fact). Like it or not (or just ignore it), i dont think it was the best time to be going for players this past summer, city had the cash to splash and artificial inflation more than likely took over as players agents swooned over the potential treasure to be found at the feet of the sheik. Maybe, just maybe, rafa got the players he wanted and the talk/rumour of others joining simply wasnt a viable option on the table. I just think next summer will be a better indication of who is being backed and who isnt. With a world cup coming up, potential targets may not have wanted to move this summer, preferring to wait 12 months before starting a new footballing life somewhere else.

daithijjj wrote: »

I dont want a whole debate over this but all of the signing on fees etc for those players contracts will be taken from 'transfer money' available. Its going to be a handsome sum considering who is included in there.

Now, i know folk dont like it but has it ever occurred to you that benitez may have held onto some of his 'projected money' for whatever reason?, maybe the manager didnt find the right player or if he did, he wasnt available? Maybe hes had enough of the 'dossena's' and is biding his time for a serious aquisition? (stated in hope more than fact). Like it or not (or just ignore it), i dont think it was the best time to be going for players this past summer, city had the cash to splash and artificial inflation more than likely took over as players agents swooned over the potential treasure to be found at the feet of the sheik. Maybe, just maybe, rafa got the players he wanted and the talk/rumour of others joining simply wasnt a viable option on the table. I just think next summer will be a better indication of who is being backed and who isnt. With a world cup coming up, potential targets may not have wanted to move this summer, preferring to wait 12 months before starting a new footballing life somewhere else.

Possible, given that there were very strong indications that he wanted Tevez and Silva at earlier stages in the summer.
What is most likely though, is that with the loan refinancing, the playing field and his transfer budget changed.

But those contract renewals aren’t completely unexpected costs.
Any club is going to have to expect to renew the contracts of around 25-30% of their players in any given year. If they have any decent accountants doing up these budgets they’ll be completely separate from transfer spending.