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Should we pay carbon taxes?

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  • #2
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    no


  • #3
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭token56


    I do not mind paying a carbon tax if there is a clear plan also outlined which details exactly how the money gained from this tax will be used to help develop green energy or sustainable energy sources, and create jobs in this sector etc. The development of this sector is important, however given the current economic climate and the exchequer returns I do not see it being used in this manner for the moment anyway.

    So unless they can give us a detailed plan of how this will actually develop the sector and create jobs, and I do not mean an outline of a plan, before they implement the tax, then I will have to say no.


  • #4
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    Sorry, does anybody know where the comedy forum is, I just seen this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w62gsctP2gc&feature=player_embedded#


  • #5
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    /Awaits fart jokes.


  • #6
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I think we should use the greens and their voters as a fuel source


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  • #7
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Bambi wrote: »
    I think we should use the greens and their voters as a fuel source

    Yep, they're oily characters.


  • #8
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Bambi wrote: »
    I think we should use the greens and their voters as a fuel source

    Soylent greens if you like.


  • #9
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    GatePost wrote: »
    Sorry, does anybody know where the comedy forum is, I just seen this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w62gsctP2gc&feature=player_embedded#

    Here you go.


  • #10
    themadchef
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    GatePost wrote: »
    Well I don't believe the hype about global warming.

    Yeah, bet you thought the bubble would never burst either.

    Celtic tiger / global warming... "never going to happen" Sure...


  • #11
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    mikom wrote: »
    Soylent greens if you like.

    Good film.


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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are benefits to global warming !! There should be a carbon subsidy
    During the holocene optimum the temp was warmer than it is now. This was the warmest period since the ice age. The Sahara was green and forests in Russia extended 200km further North than they do now. A bad thing?

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara_2.html

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Earth/Computer_simulations_reveal_three_green_Sahara_episodes_over_120000_years/rssarticleshow/3549438.cms

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14536-stone-age-mass-graves-reveal-green-sahara.html?feedId=online-news_rss20


  • #13
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    themadchef wrote: »

    Yeah, bet you thought the bubble would never burst either.

    Celtic tiger / global warming... "never going to happen" Sure...

    And what do speculative bubbles and global warming have to do with eachother??

    Nothing new about people getting greedy

    http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Popular-Delusions-Madness-Crowds/dp/051788433X


  • #14
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    GatePost wrote: »
    So to supposedly please the greenies who have the support of a massive 2.5% of the population, we are going to get a carbon tax.

    Well I don't believe the hype about global warming.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100013173/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-climate-change/

    You can also find research thats says milk can cause cancer.

    the fact is weather caused by man kind or not the planet is heating up... as clearly evident for example mountain peaks that have had snow on them constently for 100's of years up until now... i mean billions of tons of snow dosent just vanish for no reason... thats said the planet is also long over due another ice age.


  • #15
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    The planet always heats and cools its not a reason to get saddled with another tax / power grab by people who just wish to tell you how to live your life


  • #16
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    bizmark wrote: »
    The planet always heats and cools its not a reason to get saddled with another tax / power grab by people who just wish to tell you how to live your life

    "sir, we've got a live one"


  • #17
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Bambi wrote: »
    I think we should use the greens and their voters as a fuel source

    Problem is the greens lost any back bone they had and came up with some utter ****e just to stay in goverment i mean who would want to give up the gravey train that is the government.. all they have to do is complete one term and they get their nice fat pensions


  • #18
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    twinytwo wrote: »
    You can also find research thats says milk can cause cancer.

    the fact is weather caused by man kind or not the planet is heating up... as clearly evident for example mountain peaks that have had snow on them constently for 100's of years up until now... i mean billions of tons of snow dosent just vanish for no reason... thats said the planet is also long over due another ice age.

    100's of years is nothing in the overall context of things.

    The fact is that the earth is not warming, the IPCC have even admitted this and they are the drum beaters of the whole movement.


  • #19
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I'd quite happily pay a carbon tax if I could burn the Green Party and their numbskull followers...lot of fúcking CH4 though but worth it :D


  • #20
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    twinytwo wrote: »
    Problem is the greens lost any back bone they had and came up with some utter ****e just to stay in goverment i mean who would want to give up the gravey train that is the government.. all they have to do is complete one term and they get their nice fat pensions

    Good point. I hear all these people saying, "the greenies are going to pull out of government".

    Are you 'avin a laugh? The whole aim is to get into power, and yet the greenies are going to pull out, some chance, as we have seen.


  • #21
    8k2q1gfcz9s5d4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭8k2q1gfcz9s5d4


    GatePost wrote: »
    So to supposedly please the greenies who have the support of a massive 2.5% of the population, we are going to get a carbon tax.

    Well I don't believe the hype about global warming.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100013173/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-climate-change/

    we live in ireland, compared to china and the US our carbon contribution is nothing. why should we pay?

    i dont believe in global warming either, its called "climate change" now because the warming has stopped.


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  • #22
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    Jaelyn Freezing Snobbishness wrote: »
    we live in ireland, compared to china and the US our carbon contribution is nothing. why should we pay?

    But is this really about "climate change"??

    Look at the effects of these taxes, it will de-industrialise the western world, along with crippling the developing nations. That is the ultimate aim, forget about all this "save the whales" stuff.


  • #23
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    GatePost wrote: »
    But is this really about "climate change"??

    Look at the effects of these taxes, it will de-industrialise the western world, along with crippling the developing nations. That is the ultimate aim, forget about all this "save the whales" stuff.

    That will never happen though people will only tolerate this stuff till it effects them in their pocket and choice's which is fast approaching, The possibility of global cooling over the next few years will also open eye's plus for all their lip service and opportunity's to get more tax money governments aren't that self destructive nor would their people allow them to be...one would hope anyway


  • #24
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    GatePost wrote: »
    100's of years is nothing in the overall context of things.

    The fact is that the earth is not warming, the IPCC have even admitted this and they are the drum beaters of the whole movement.

    for example they all say that " CO2 is not a pollutant" it is not co2 we have to worry about but cfc's etc. Anyway there is evidence for and against global warming.. i however would rather we changed our ways thatnto not do anything and find out we are neck high in the doo doo


  • #25
    GavRedKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Carbon tax = run out of ideas to charge us for something


  • #26
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, Ireland is such a massive massive polluter with hundreds of sky scrapers illuminated every second of the day and million of homes with lights on every day.:rolleyes:

    Our pollution contribution is next to zero and this is another loony policy from a
    loony party

    Climate change, global warming, how about plain Nature?


  • #27
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    twinytwo wrote: »
    for example they all say that " CO2 is not a pollutant" it is not co2 we have to worry about but cfc's etc. Anyway there is evidence for and against global warming.. i however would rather we changed our ways thatnto not do anything and find out we are neck high in the doo doo

    What utter nonsense we should totaly change the way we live now based on dodgy science, what might happen's , and the word of our religious leader al gore ? :rolleyes:


  • #28
    GatePost
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭GatePost


    bizmark wrote: »
    That will never happen though people will only tolerate this stuff till it effects them in their pocket and choice's which is fast approaching,

    I hope you are right. But remeber they are targeting the children at school, they are being taught environmentalism as a religion.
    twinytwo wrote: »
    i however would rather we changed our ways thatnto not do anything and find out we are neck high in the doo doo

    I'll take my chances.

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
    H. L. Mencken

    gavredking wrote: »
    Carbon tax = run out of ideas to charge us for something

    There is a lot more to it than that.


  • #29
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    bizmark wrote: »
    What utter nonsense we should totaly change the way we live now based on dodgy science, what might happen's , and the word of our religious leader al gore ? :rolleyes:

    when i say change are ways i mean our dependence on fossil fuels etc..there is no need for ignorance


  • #30
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    That's grand and all in theory but seeming that there's no reliable alternatives apart from nuclear power which is another massive bug bear for the green's taxing the balls off us now and trying to scare tactic us into installing god awful unreliable wind turbines and solar panels isn't going to do anything.

    BTW I'm not against new tech to replace the current oil dependent but there's no alternative, In time when there's a real reason for it market force's and human ingenuity will produce one might be 30-50 year's down the road though seeming that oil is still cheap. In the end in my opinion a goverment trying to create make beleave demand will only end up as a failure costing us money.


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  • #31
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    bizmark wrote: »
    That's grand and all in theory but seeming that there's no reliable alternatives apart from nuclear power which is another massive bug bear for the green's taxing the balls off us now and trying to scare tactic us into installing god awful unreliable wind turbines and solar panels isn't going to do anything.

    BTW I'm not against new tech to replace the current oil dependent but there's no alternative, In time when there's a real reason for it market force's and human ingenuity will produce one might be 30-50 year's down the road though seeming that oil is still cheap

    Ireland is one of the most ideal locations on the planet for wind farms... an investment of 1 billion euro which taking into account the amount given to the banks and to bail out the developers is not a huge amount would generate more than enough energy to meet the countries needs.. also considering wind turbines have a life span of 20-25 years i said that is an alternative option to going nuclear


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