We're all Spanish on the inside

Rebelheart · 09-10-2009 09:15PM

pickarooney wrote: »

I came across this extract from a book called "The Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer (2006). Obviously the title is a little non-inclusive but by the looks of it Roscommon is a Latin enclave on our fair isle.

Any article that talks about something called the "British Isles" could only have a British nationalist agenda.

PS: If you should look at Dónall Ó Néill's Remonstrance in 1317 you will see that he was very proud of the Spanish origins of the Irish, otherwise known as the Milesians as they claimed descent from the two sons of King Míl of Spain. All true Gaels claim Spanish origin. This is basic Irish history.

PPS: Google 'Milesian'.

starbelgrade · 09-10-2009 09:29PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Any article that talks about something called the "British Isles" could only have a British nationalist agenda.

It's a geographic term, not a political one.

Rebelheart · 09-10-2009 09:38PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's a geographic term, not a political one.

Nothing of the sort. Leaving aside the fact that after centuries of occupation of this country under the name of "British", any authentically "geographic" meaning behind that word was entirely lost, the earliest known use of the term was in 1577 by the English-born "British" imperialist John Dee as part of his advocacy of Tudor crown control over Ireland.

Do you research first before blurting out this sort of stuff.

Saying the "British Isles" is "geographic" is akin to saying the Swastika is merely a Hindu symbol of peace. Language use changes, and John Dee was acutely aware of this.

starbelgrade · 09-10-2009 09:52PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Do you research first before blurting out this sort of stuff.

I did my research & Wikipedia dispells your argument.

Quint · 09-10-2009 10:31PM

And all the spanish are moors. So we're all north african

alfranken · 09-10-2009 10:38PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Any article that talks about something called the "British Isles" could only have a British nationalist agenda.

PS: If you should look at Dónall Ó Néill's Remonstrance in 1317 you will see that he was very proud of the Spanish origins of the Irish, otherwise known as the Milesians as they claimed descent from the two sons of King Míl of Spain. All true Gaels claim Spanish origin. This is basic Irish history.

PPS: Google 'Milesian'.

Did spain exist 7,000 years ago, is it not that teh spanish and irish share ancestry?

Lirange · 09-10-2009 10:50PM

Quint wrote: »

And all the spanish are moors. So we're all north african

The Moors came along much later than the time frame we're discussing as did the Romans. But yes modern day Castillians have been greatly influenced by the Moors, culturally and genetically.

pickarooney · 10-10-2009 12:04AM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Any article that talks about something called the "British Isles" could only have a British nationalist agenda.

PS: If you should look at Dónall Ó Néill's Remonstrance in 1317 you will see that he was very proud of the Spanish origins of the Irish, otherwise known as the Milesians as they claimed descent from the two sons of King Míl of Spain. All true Gaels claim Spanish origin. This is basic Irish history.

PPS: Google 'Milesian'.

That's right pet, you have a nice cup of righteous indignation and off to bed with you.

KungPao · 10-10-2009 06:15AM

El gallo entró el granero, y recogió su dinero. ¿El propietario era descontentado, porque qué podría este martillo querer?

jayteecork · 10-10-2009 06:41AM

Ah sure everyone is Irish.
Check out Trapattoni. He looks like any old Farmer from Kerry.

bob123456 · 10-10-2009 07:00AM

pickarooney wrote: »

That's right pet, you have a nice cup of righteous indignation and off to bed with you.

That's some righteous patronization there!:)

vinylbomb · 10-10-2009 08:01AM

Are we not all Mesopotamians?

Glad thats settled then.

WindSock · 10-10-2009 10:58AM

Tu Mama.

I'm Gibraltarian.

Rebelheart · 10-10-2009 12:46PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I did my research & Wikipedia dispells your argument.

Actually, the wikipedia article on "British Isles" fully supports it. It states, clearly: 'The earliest citation of the phrase "Brytish Iles" in the Oxford English Dictionary[25] is dated 1577 in a work by John Dee.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

And should you drop into the Talk page of that article you will felicitously find that the current discussion there (October 2009) is on the etymology of the term "British Isles" in the political imperialism of John Dee in 1577 and nothing to do with the geography of classical writers. Here's that latest discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:British_Isles#Etymology_section

You can also look at the 34 archives of Talk pages (since 2001) for the same article where British nationalists insist Ireland is in something they claim is "geographical" and call the "British Isles" and Irish people reject it with countless historical references.

As I said, please do your research first.

ejmaztec · 10-10-2009 01:53PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

Actually, the wikipedia article on "British Isles" fully supports it. It states, clearly: 'The earliest citation of the phrase "Brytish Iles" in the Oxford English Dictionary[25] is dated 1577 in a work by John Dee.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

And should you drop into the Talk page of that article you will felicitously find that the current discussion there (October 2009) is on the etymology of the term "British Isles" in the political imperialism of John Dee in 1577 and nothing to do with the geography of classical writers. Here's that latest discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:British_Isles#Etymology_section

You can also look at the 34 archives of Talk pages (since 2001) for the same article where British nationalists insist Ireland is in something they claim is "geographical" and call the "British Isles" and Irish people reject it with countless historical references.

As I said, please do your research first.

You've never mentioned John Dee before.:p

starbelgrade · 10-10-2009 08:33PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

As I said, please do your research first.

I will do exactly as I please.

As for the Spanish being Moors... most of Spain was conquered by the Moors, but they never made it through the mountains of Asturias, where they were stopped by King Pelayo's army.

We're all Spanish on the inside

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