Was the Lisbon treaty rigged?

samson09 · 06-10-2009 08:13PM #1

Watch the following clip and you'll see a guy walk out of Cork City Hall with a ballot box, he disappears into the distance. Maybe the box was empty, maybe it wasn't. But if one person could walk away with a ballot box, maybe others did too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t764ACqXK3M

Tellox · 06-10-2009 08:14PM

samson09 wrote: »

Was the Lisbon treaty rigged?

No.

Dinner · 06-10-2009 08:25PM

I love the fact that this guy just 'happened' to be recording the people carrying in the ballot boxes and when he spotted somebody carrying a box out of the count centre and he stood well back and made his little video while muttering to himself.

He was so outraged at this subversion of democracy that he stood still before going inside to have a look around.

He had 3 options:

1) Follow the guy and see where he was going or get a reg plate if he got into a car.
2) Stop the guy and ask him what was he doing
3) Do nothing, record it, speak in hushed tones and put the video up on youtube asap.

He went for 3. The guy did the least useful thing possible in the situation. He could have sorted the issue out very quickly by using option 1 or 2. But no, that wouldn't have made a good youtube video would it? That wouldn't add fuel to the fire of a conspiracy now would it?

Which begs the question, why did he do nothing?

Bandit12 · 06-10-2009 08:25PM

Don't know about the clip but out of my circle of friends,work mates,family etc... there is no way in hell 60-70% of them voted yes. If anything i'd say 80% voted no. Go figure.

humanji · 06-10-2009 08:28PM

Bandit12 wrote: »

Don't know about the clip but out of my circle of friends,work mates,family etc... there is no way in hell 60-70% of them voted yes. If anything i'd say 80% voted no. Go figure.

Hell, I don't know anyone who voted no, so it all depends on who you know, I guess.

GerardKeating · 06-10-2009 08:43PM

humanji wrote: »

Hell, I don't know anyone who voted no, so it all depends on who you know, I guess.

Same here, most people i talked to voted yes, was surprised the yes vote was not higher...

samson09 · 06-10-2009 08:51PM

Dinner wrote: »

I love the fact that this guy just 'happened' to be recording the people carrying in the ballot boxes and when he spotted somebody carrying a box out of the count centre and he stood well back and made his little video while muttering to himself.

He was so outraged at this subversion of democracy that he stood still before going inside to have a look around.

He had 3 options:

1) Follow the guy and see where he was going or get a reg plate if he got into a car.
2) Stop the guy and ask him what was he doing
3) Do nothing, record it, speak in hushed tones and put the video up on youtube asap.

He went for 3. The guy did the least useful thing possible in the situation. He could have sorted the issue out very quickly by using option 1 or 2. But no, that wouldn't have made a good youtube video would it? That wouldn't add fuel to the fire of a conspiracy now would it?

Which begs the question, why did he do nothing?

Well he was singing away to himself quite a bit, so he was probably after a feed of pints and was too pissed to make any real attempt to stop the guy legging it away with the box.

samson09 · 06-10-2009 08:54PM

Bandit12 wrote: »

Don't know about the clip but out of my circle of friends,work mates,family etc... there is no way in hell 60-70% of them voted yes. If anything i'd say 80% voted no. Go figure.

Me too, but I suppose it all boils down to the type of people you associate with i.e. "nutters"

Max Power1 · 06-10-2009 08:56PM

me too

guess it wasnt rigged, the electorate are even more stupid than i anticipated.

Dinner · 06-10-2009 09:05PM

samson09 wrote: »

Well he was singing away to himself quite a bit, so he was probably after a feed of pints and was too pissed to make any real attempt to stop the guy legging it away with the box.

Don't think that was him singing. It was the sound from a video that he uploaded a month earlier called "Irish No to Lisbon song". He was also well able to go and have a wander into the count centre without seeming to drunk too follow and approach the man.

Looking at the guy leaving with the box again he's carrying the parcel that contains the left over ballot papers, the stubs from papers used, the marked register of electors plus a form that is filled in by the Presiding Officer that states how many ballot papers were used. Each of these things are in a seperate envelope and each envelope is usually either sealed with tape or a wax seal so anybody could tell if it has been tampered with. Usually that parcel is tied to the top of the ballot box for extra security but by the looks of other people it isn't always done.

There would simply be far too many things to change to feasible alter the result of a referendum. More likely that he was at the wrong count centre or something.

But still, the biggest question for me is why this brave defender of democracy didn't stop the guy and ask him where he was going.

samson09 · 06-10-2009 09:07PM

Max Power1 wrote: »

me too

guess it wasnt rigged, the electorate are even more stupid than i anticipated.

I'd prefer if it had been rigged, for aforementioned reasons. I cant believe so many people fell for the B.S.

"Hook, line and f*ckin wink wink"
(Skip to 2:44)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlso1ASZTyE

The_Kew_Tour · 06-10-2009 09:14PM

ya never know;)

Tipsy Mac · 06-10-2009 09:30PM

Even if someone stole half of all boxes the result would still have been more or less the same as there's a mixed bunch of Yes/NO votes in every ballot box, would be impossible to know which would have more Yes/No votes.

squod · 07-10-2009 12:17AM

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Even if someone stole half of all boxes the result would still have been more or less the same as there's a mixed bunch of Yes/NO votes in every ballot box, would be impossible to know which would have more Yes/No votes.

Amazing comment, truly amazing.

meglome · 07-10-2009 01:41AM

humanji wrote: »

Hell, I don't know anyone who voted no, so it all depends on who you know, I guess.

I only know one person who voted No.

meglome · 07-10-2009 01:47AM

Max Power1 wrote: »

me too

guess it wasnt rigged, the electorate are even more stupid than i anticipated.

samson09 wrote: »

I'd prefer if it had been rigged, for aforementioned reasons. I cant believe so many people fell for the B.S.

You know guys you really have very little respect for the people of this country. In the first vote the largest number of people voted No as they had no idea what was in the treaty. So maybe when people did find out what was in the treaty they didn't have a problem with it and they just disagree with you. Sure maybe you're just wrong.

major bill · 07-10-2009 01:50AM

meglome wrote: »

I only know one person who voted No.

i only know 3 people that voted yes your point been?.

personally it should be investigated. i had emails sent to me by many people expressing their concern by the council in their dealing with the election and the need to keep an eye on these people.

wouldnt suprise me in the slightest!!. the polls in the run up were very close so the final verdict result from a dublin point of view regarding the amount of people i know that voted no just doesnt add up.

07-10-2009 01:51AM

Yep. The 20-30 people in the average social circle is a perfect sample size to accurately do an opinion poll.

Don't know why all those proper polls bother to have sample sizes in the thousands.

major bill · 07-10-2009 01:56AM

King Mob wrote: »

Yep. The 20-30 people in the average social circle is a perfect sample size to accurately do an opinion poll.

Don't know why all those proper polls bother to have sample sizes in the thousands.

sarcasm love it:)

uprising · 07-10-2009 02:01AM

Very possibly could have been rigged, nothing new there, and they REALLY needed a yes, bastaards. Come what may!

07-10-2009 02:46AM

uprising wrote: »

Very possibly could have been rigged, nothing new there, and they REALLY needed a yes, bastaards. Come what may!

So why didn't they rig the first one?

meglome · 07-10-2009 03:53AM

King Mob wrote: »

So why didn't they rig the first one?

Maybe they did rig the first one. (See below)

major bill wrote: »

i only know 3 people that voted yes your point been?.

personally it should be investigated. i had emails sent to me by many people expressing their concern by the council in their dealing with the election and the need to keep an eye on these people.

wouldnt suprise me in the slightest!!. the polls in the run up were very close so the final verdict result from a dublin point of view regarding the amount of people i know that voted no just doesnt add up.

Most of the polls around the first vote showed a Yes vote but it was a No. Does that mean it was fixed?

Run_to_da_hills · 07-10-2009 04:42AM

King Mob wrote: »

So why didn't they rig the first one?

They didn't have to.

Dave147 · 07-10-2009 04:53AM

I find it funny how we vote No first, then all of a sudden there's thousands of Yes voters trying to convince everyone to vote yes.. How were all these people's opinions changed? Tbh, I don't care about the Lisbon Treaty, it more than likely won't have any affect on us.

humanji · 07-10-2009 09:47AM

Dave147 wrote: »

I find it funny how we vote No first, then all of a sudden there's thousands of Yes voters trying to convince everyone to vote yes.. How were all these people's opinions changed?

Well, thanks to the likes of Coir and Libertas, many people would have changed to a Yes. They did more damage to the No campaign than anyone could of thought.

Dave147 wrote: »

Tbh, I don't care about the Lisbon Treaty, it more than likely won't have any affect on us.

That's exactly how I feel about it. It's a bit of housecleaning and nothing else.

Penn · 07-10-2009 11:54AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They didn't have to.

Evidently they did, seeing as how most people expected a No vote the first time. Why go through all the trouble of having to hold a second referendum when they could have rigged the first one in order to be sure that there was a Yes vote? If this was all a big plot by the Masons/NWO/EU, why leave things like this to chance?

07-10-2009 12:13PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They didn't have to.

So what then?

People just changed their minds and the results where different?

Those bastards!

robtri · 07-10-2009 12:39PM

major bill wrote: »

i had emails sent to me by many people expressing their concern by the council in their dealing with the election and the need to keep an eye on these people.

care to expalin this???

major bill wrote: »

wouldnt suprise me in the slightest!!. the polls in the run up were very close so the final verdict result from a dublin point of view regarding the amount of people i know that voted no just doesnt add up.

Don't know where you got that from, in the run up to the election the indicators where for a Big yes vote

macshadow · 07-10-2009 01:14PM

http://www.gopetition.com/online/31224.html a petition has been set up, if you suspect lisbon was rigged please sign it.

07-10-2009 01:36PM

So they used pencils instead of pens and an out of context video?
Proof positive alright.

Paddyo · 07-10-2009 01:41PM

Maybe he was trying to rig it for the no vote - but the extent of the yes vote was too great

Was the Lisbon treaty rigged?

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