Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

A-Trak · 05-10-2009 1:56pm

D4RK ONION wrote: »

I must be blind, I didn't see fireballs at any stage?

In the video interview you can see Juri "kicking" out angled foreballs in the background, similar to Goukens.

Video is here

Orim · 05-10-2009 2:18pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

No new backgrounds I see

This kind of crap makes Bad Companies DLC look good. I'm going to have to pay full price for the same game which effectively only has the equivalent of an expansion pack included, and no doubt they'll make everyone pay again if they want the additional costumes.

If I decide to stick with SFIV, will I be able to play people using SSFIV?

It's not going to be full price and it's not the same game. Not only do you have the new characters but you will have a rebalancing of the current cast.

Personally I'd pay the full price just to see what they do to Sagat. I hope they don't go too mad with the nerfbat, just tone him down a little.

It will be interesting to see how quickly Terry changes char

D4RK ONION · 05-10-2009 2:19pm

Ah, I didn't see that one. Thanks A-Trak

L31mr0d · 05-10-2009 4:10pm

A-Trak wrote: »

Video is here

She also seems to have a crazy large hitbox on her focus attack. Yuri definitely looks very interesting. Might finally have a candidate for my second character. Guiles flashkick, Goukens fireballs, Akumas dive kick... sold

He also said that there would be 8 new characters. Do we have the full character list for SSFIV yet? Deejay, T-Hawk, Yuri... do we know about any others?

I'm more than likely going to get the next game, as I'm sure everyone on here will be getting it and then drop the old SFIV like a wet rag, leaving me to play all the 30 second rounds in ranked mode against achievement whore Giefs. No thanks

animaX · 05-10-2009 4:24pm

Is it just me or did she do a dive kick into ultra at 1.03?! Seems a bit easy. That would be like round-housing into ultra....oh wait..

chopperbyrne · 05-10-2009 4:25pm

The heavy rumours are Makoto, Ibuki, Dudley, Adon, Guy and Cody.

That would make nine new characters. Cody is a crap character though so hopefully he gets dropped.

Retr0gamer · 05-10-2009 4:32pm

I think Adon is just a rumour so far, perhaps he might be included if his character works out in time.

Juri also has a nice jumping overhead giving her a nice mix up game.

Zapp Brannigan · 05-10-2009 4:58pm

animaX wrote: »

Is it just me or did she do a dive kick into ultra at 1.03?! Seems a bit easy. That would be like round-housing into ultra....oh wait..

Dive kick to Ultra works in the corner. She tries to do it in the middle of the screen in that video and it whiffs.

bush · 05-10-2009 6:25pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

The heavy rumours are Makoto, Ibuki, Dudley, Adon, Guy and Cody.

That would make nine new characters. Cody is a crap character though so hopefully he gets dropped.

Isnt there a new wrestler too?

Orim · 05-10-2009 6:32pm

bush wrote: »

Isnt there a new wrestler too?

Yup. An arabian oil obessed wrestler. Hopefully he'll be a charge char as so far it looks like charge characters are being binned

chopperbyrne · 05-10-2009 6:51pm

Oh yeah forgot about him.

Hopefully Adon makes it in. He is featured in Sagats story.

BleedTheF!FtH · 08-10-2009 2:30pm

Ok, all capcom needs to do to sell this game, is get rid of the f*cking intro music,
tone sagat down, he's ridiculously over-powered in this game,
bring back shin akuma,
give each character an extra super.
Improve the netcode, online play is brutal in SFIV,
and possibly make more challenges or something to put a bit more into the single player aspect of the game,
and also i would like to see better combos from AI when on a higher difficulty,
i mean I could probly slaughter any hardest AI with my eyes closed the way it is,
so theres a couple of things that would make it an exellent game, i would actually pay full price for that.
The soundtrack is something that definatly HAS to be improved.
Maybe they could add more costumes.. That DONT come as dlc, that we have to fork out more money for.

This could be an excellent game if capcom does this right.
Its already a great fighting engine and they kept most of the defining aspects of the game from street fighter 2 & super turbo, which is great, they just need to correct the minor mistakes they made with sf4.

Zapp Brannigan · 08-10-2009 2:45pm

Ok, people hate Sagat. I get it. But he isn't ridiculously OP like people suggest. He hits like a tank, that's true but it's not like he has 7-3 match-ups over most of the cast. I still say Akuma is the best character in the game because of his wake-up vortex (shudder) and general mixup game.

Placebo · 08-10-2009 2:49pm

why cyber akuma? enough shotos

BleedTheF!FtH · 08-10-2009 2:54pm

I said shin akuma. Cyber would be stupid.
And sagat has NO bad match ups, every single other character in the game has there weaknesses, no matter waht situation sagat is in, he has options, ALWAYS..
And in those situations his options almost always conclude to ultra, which is simply ridiculous, and mashers can use him alot easier in this game cause of the "short cut system"

animaX · 08-10-2009 2:55pm

BleedTheF!FtH wrote: »

tone sagat down

Improve the netcode, online play is brutal in SFIV,

and also i would like to see better combos from AI when on a higher difficulty,

Ssshhhuuuussshhh!

Agree, I hate the waiting time online

Agree also, wouldn't it be great if the AI would FADC into ultra?!

Zapp Brannigan · 08-10-2009 3:10pm

BleedTheF!FtH wrote: »

I said shin akuma. Cyber would be stupid.
And sagat has NO bad match ups, every single other character in the game has there weaknesses, no matter waht situation sagat is in, he has options, ALWAYS..
And in those situations his options almost always conclude to ultra, which is simply ridiculous, and mashers can use him alot easier in this game cause of the "short cut system"

Ryu has no bad matchups either

EDIT: Also, if you wanna talk easy Ultra set-ups let's look at Rufus. Which move of his doesn't lead to Ultra?

Placebo · 08-10-2009 3:22pm

cyber shin whatever, why do we need these special alterations, thats like having evil ken or something of that variation.

Yreval · 08-10-2009 3:44pm

BleedTheF!FtH wrote: »

And sagat has NO bad match ups, every single other character in the game has there weaknesses, no matter waht situation sagat is in, he has options, ALWAYS..
And in those situations his options almost always conclude to ultra, which is simply ridiculous, and mashers can use him alot easier in this game cause of the "short cut system"

If SF4 Sagat is too overpowered for you then you don't want to know about... well, you can pick almost any fighting game ever made, take the top character from that game, and they'd make SF4 Sagat seem decidedly puny.

Case in point:

http://shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/File:ThridStrikeDiagramCropped.jpg

Let's take a look at Yun (the top character):

He has one even matchup (versus Ken). The other 17 are all winning for Yun.
Of these matchups, five are 6-4, nine are 7-3 and three are 8-2
His average matchup (over the entire roster, including himself) is 6.68-3.32.
And then there's Chun-Li (second from top) - OK, she loses badly to Yun, but look at all those 8-2s! Those low-tier characters might as well drop dead just from seeing her thighs!

Compare with SF4 Sagat:

http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/oct/17/street-fighter-4-tiers-character-rankings/

Three 5-5s, sixteen 6-4s, five 7-3s.

Don't want to take the tier lists' word for it? Fine - there were no Sagats in the top eight at Evolution.

chopperbyrne · 08-10-2009 3:48pm

Yep, Chun and Yun make Sagat look tame.

Champion Edition Bison is probably worse again.

animaX · 08-10-2009 4:03pm

Yreval wrote: »

If SF4 Sagat is too overpowered for you then you don't want to know about...

Thank you Yreval! Now i feel better

Placebo · 08-10-2009 4:11pm

those are accumulated over a period of a few years, not just 1.
Only ken used to top tier in the first few years for along time.

A-Trak · 08-10-2009 4:12pm

animaX wrote: »

Thank you Yreval! Now i feel better

Worse than Hitler I say.

Azza · 08-10-2009 6:57pm

Some more details about SSF IV from a recent interview with Yoshinori Ono.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/oct/08/more-ssf4-details-gathered-expanded-famitsu-article/

Basically the plan is to introduce 2-3 characters from previous games, since all of ST cast is accounted for now that leaves Street Fighter 4, Alpha (maybe Street Fighter 1) as the source for those characters.

People who bought the DLC for SF IV won't have to buy it again.

The replay system will be improved.

Ono mentioned that currently Guile not being able to combo into ultra is a problem so you can expect that to be fixed.

Also in a different article Seth Killian is reported as saying that there may be a character poll to decide on the added characters. Remember people vote Q if thats the case!

Hank Scorpio · 15-10-2009 10:18pm

Just got this game for the pc yesterday and god damn am i impressed. i was a huge fan of SF2 on the snes when i was younger and this is really bringing me back to my roots.

Even on my specs Q8200 quad, 3 GB of ram and a poor geforce 9500gs i am getting 60fps stable on highish res and high player/background details.

Delighted so far, the gameplay just feels so right

D4RK ONION · 15-10-2009 10:29pm

Hello Nuxxx! This is the discussion for SUPER SF4, the sequel arriving sometime next year.

Doctor DooM · 15-10-2009 10:41pm

Azza wrote: »

Ono mentioned that currently Guile not being able to combo into ultra is a problem so you can expect that to be fixed.

Oh, yes.

Hank Scorpio · 15-10-2009 10:42pm

sorry :-D

Star Bingo · 15-10-2009 10:56pm

why can't this be DLC / patch for SF4 owners? minor updates to core of the game..

also, why can't it be a PSN/Live d/l IF its cut-price. it all sucks!

Doctor DooM · 15-10-2009 11:05pm

Star Bingo wrote: »

why can't this be DLC / patch for SF4 owners? minor updates to core of the game..

also, why can't it be a PSN/Live d/l IF its cut-price. it all sucks!

Bit late to the game I'm afraid.

http://www.destructoid.com/guide-how-to-stfu-about-super-street-fighter-iv-150353.phtml

Star Bingo · 15-10-2009 11:18pm

damn man what, you have me read that? i don't need this fella's crap it is a really dumb fanboy article man... damn. now i want even MORE discounts for this t-hawk enchanced turd making my original SFIV online almost redundant when the competition migrates, nice one. oh drOOL all the same SUPER rubbish that made the original SFII base lose interest.
STFU indeed

Doctor DooM · 15-10-2009 11:30pm

Star Bingo wrote: »

damn man what, you have me read that? i don't need this fella's crap it is a really dumb fanboy article man... damn. now i want even MORE discounts for this t-hawk enchanced turd making my original SFIV online almost redundant when the competition migrates, nice one. oh drOOL all the same SUPER rubbish that made the original SFII base lose interest.
STFU indeed

How about debating why it's crap?

8 characters isn't DLC territory, IMO. Rebalancing would have been DLC territory.

It's already been pointed out this isn't going to be a full price release. So what's the big problem?

Most people are quite excited at the prospect of a rebalanced SF4. Most SF4 games are not balanced til their third iteration.

Being completely honest I'm just glad I had a new hopping on point for the genre I've loved since my childhood. It's amazing how quick people are to moan. 2 years ago people would have wet themselves as the prospect of 2 SF games in 2 years.

Star Bingo · 15-10-2009 11:52pm

.. well man the 'moaning' brigade will be paltry beside the sheep that will buy regardless - like me probably - are you not bothered about the predictibility of the sequels that are already ensuing - SFII ones all over again - n ease of profits Konami will milk you for? look man quote me on this 'cut price' for a start, i've bought fullprice games sometimes for 40 and still considered them 'fullprice'

patching / DLC could have given us this backed up by our SFIV don't be ridiculous. seriously that guy's 'STFU' article is.. pointless. he's an a*shole

Doctor DooM · 16-10-2009 12:01am

Star Bingo wrote: »

.. well man the 'moaning' brigade will be paltry beside the sheep that will buy regardless - like me probably - are you not bothered about the predictibility of the sequels that are already ensuing - SFII ones all over again - n ease of profits Konami will milk you for? look man quote me on this 'cut price' for a start, i've bought fullprice games sometimes for 40 and still considered them 'fullprice'

patching / DLC could have given us this backed up by our SFIV don't be ridiculous. seriously that guy's 'STFU' article is.. pointless. he's an a*shole

Eh... Street Fighter's not made by Konami.

The interview with Ono on the price is earlier in this thread.

As mentioned before, inevitably SF games don't hit their apex til the second or third iteration, so basically I will wait and see what they produce before declaring it an evil abuse of the games buying public.

Star Bingo · 16-10-2009 12:09am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Eh... Street Fighter's not made by Konami.

The interview with Ono on the price is earlier in this thread.

As mentioned before, inevitably SF games don't hit their apex til the second or third iteration, so basically I will wait and see what they produce before declaring it an evil abuse of the games buying public.

..

schmonami whoever the f- they'd still be conning me w/ this. who is it?! miz i asked you the price, think i'm backtracking here? u are not a very useful tool

K.O.Kiki · 16-10-2009 12:10am

Star Bingo wrote: »

.. well man the 'moaning' brigade will be paltry beside the sheep that will buy regardless - like me probably - are you not bothered about the predictibility of the sequels that are already ensuing - SFII ones all over again - n ease of profits Konami will milk you for? look man quote me on this 'cut price' for a start, i've bought fullprice games sometimes for 40 and still considered them 'fullprice'

patching / DLC could have given us this backed up by our SFIV don't be ridiculous. seriously that guy's 'STFU' article is.. pointless. he's an a*shole

...
Out.
Get out, and come back when you understand how DLC relates to consoles.

Star Bingo · 16-10-2009 12:12am

****ing well tell me then prIck

out?! ****ing sheephead ****face cockthrilla

Kiki in the cage

Doctor DooM · 16-10-2009 12:19am

Star Bingo wrote: »

****ing well tell me then prIck

out?! ****ing sheephead ****face cockthrilla

Kiki in the cage

This user has been banned for this post.

K.O.Kiki · 16-10-2009 12:20am

*sigh*

DLC unlocks content already on the disc, or grants access to server-side changes.
Patches change tiny bits of code to make the software work better.

Full sequels, like Super SFIV, change the game engine in myriad ways, add Gigabytes of new content (like WHOLE NEW CHARACTERS), use new compression algorithms to ensure all that content can fit on the disc, and then get tested, shipped, etc.

Your move.

Doctor DooM · 16-10-2009 12:22am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

*sigh*

DLC unlocks content already on the disc, or grants access to server-side changes.
Patches change tiny bits of code to make the software work better.

Full sequels, like Super SFIV, change the game engine in myriad ways, add Gigabytes of new content (like WHOLE NEW CHARACTERS), use new compression algorithms to ensure all that content can fit on the disc, and then get tested, shipped, etc.

Your move.

Dude can't answer man. See above.

Jim · 16-10-2009 1:44am

That Capcom seems like a pretty cool guy. He's sells awesome new versions of games that true fans want and are excitied about and doesn't afraid of anything.

Orim · 16-10-2009 3:10am

We cannot allow the rebalancing of Street Fighter to be done on DLC. If that was the case then some people wouldn't get the DLC and keep their stoopid overpowered characters.

BanjoB · 16-10-2009 5:30am

All I want from SSF4 is chun's kikosho as her 2nd ultra,a spinning bird kick that has a use(not ex) and a little better health..that is all:)

Placebo · 16-10-2009 9:49am

good lols all around here guys,
im supa excited for new version, ultra excited even.
I hope chuners get a better anti air and no whiff of ultras

Creature · 16-10-2009 1:18pm

I hope Chun's legs get broken and she has to fight in a wheelchair.

Cunny-Funt · 16-10-2009 8:43pm

Star Bingo wrote: »

damn man what, you have me read that? i don't need this fella's crap it is a really dumb fanboy article man... damn. now i want even MORE discounts for this t-hawk enchanced turd making my original SFIV online almost redundant when the competition migrates, nice one. oh drOOL all the same SUPER rubbish that made the original SFII base lose interest.
STFU indeed

lol

Star Bingo wrote: »

are you not bothered about the predictibility of the sequels that are already ensuing - SFII ones all over again

Not at all I'm excited, it means a better game. I just have to look at 3rd strike compared to the other versions of street fighter 3.

Star Bingo wrote: »

****ing well tell me then prIck

out?! ****ing sheephead ****face cockthrilla

Kiki in the cage

lol what the hell? never seen such a random over the top reaction, and this guys been on here since November 2008? He must be someones mate taking the piss, no one can be that stupid.

Azza · 16-10-2009 8:57pm

Cunny there is no need to comment on Star Bingo's post. The user has already been banned, so move along people nothing to see here.

K.O.Kiki · 23-10-2009 3:33am

OOOOOOOH YEAHHHHH

Jwonggg on Twitter wrote:

They are not letting ppl matchplay. Me and marn demoed. But juri could do jump strong and jump strong into ultra

Deejay could do cr jab x 2 into cr strong into ex sonicboom move[sic] with kick and have enough time to do ultra

Juri is a motionj char. Qcb+p is a counter qcb+k is a cool kick move. Qcf+k is the kick move that goes circular and air qcb+k is the dive ki

In the corner u can do cr fwd into rh qcf+k into ultra. Or u can do ex divekick into ultra.

Juri & Dee-Jay will be my new mains.

Owwmykneecap · 23-10-2009 4:52am

Unless they go some way towards fixing the mechanics of this game, in particular the ultra system...Then I'm not all that pushed about this upgrade.

Azza · 23-10-2009 5:04am

I assume you dislike getting an ultra for taking taking, if so I don't think you will get your wish, they are not going to change the ultra's at this stage.

I know a lot of people are against the idea of getting a ultra for loosing life but if they switched to getting ultra meter for doing damage to your opponent it would swing the odds to far in favor of the person winning. Yes an ultra is a comeback mechanic but at least everyone gets access to it each round so both players have it and neither is disadvantage.

The other option is get rid of ultra's which they won't do, in fact we are getting more of them. Hopefully they will balance out the fact that currently some ultra's are much more useful than others.

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