How to beat a casino - Derren Brown

Liathroidi Dana · 02-10-2009 10:43PM

Terrontress wrote: »

No, he only had one correct guess. Given the way the ball was thrown it was not going to land in the 2 rows furthest from where she was standing. Nor was it going to land in the two leftmost columns. Chances are it could be narrowed down to ten numbers. Easy to then do.

Not really as the edges of the numbers were raised makiing it quite unpredictable. Also you could see that it went across the room a couple of times.

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 02-10-2009 10:51PM

Bring back witch drowning IMO

Terrontress · 02-10-2009 10:58PM

Liathroidi Dana wrote: »

Not really as the edges of the numbers were raised makiing it quite unpredictable. Also you could see that it went across the room a couple of times.

It went off the left, then back then right wall, as per his instructions so it's easy to identify a lot of places it won't land.

Anyway, back to the casino bit, if he could read the roulette wheel, roulette would be illegal. Same with his lottery trick.

Eoin · 02-10-2009 11:04PM

I don't really understand the need for the quiet eastern European casino where he wouldn't be recognised.

I'd say any casino would be absolutely delighted to have him there, especially if he actually won. Nothing like one guy winning big to have thousands more flocking in thinking they can win too.

I'm usually a fan, but this series seems pretty crap.

mink_man · 02-10-2009 11:09PM

eoin wrote: »

I don't really understand the need for the quiet eastern European casino where he wouldn't be recognised.

I'd say any casino would be absolutely delighted to have him there, especially if he actually won. Nothing like one guy winning big to have thousands more flocking in thinking they can win too.

I'm usually a fan, but this series seems pretty crap.

yes because all the people watching live in eastern europe....

asdasd · 02-10-2009 11:15PM

It was clearly a staged fail. Otherwise the trick would be a guy with a crappy "live feed" going into a "casino" ( which didnt seem very busy) and guessing a number which came out correctly. That could be done in any number of ways. The thing only seems hard, it only seems that he is doing it the way he pretends - judging the velocity of the ball - if he fails by one.

Not very good TV. For the Derren brown fans ( and I think he is good live, but the evnts were ****e...) imagine that that last ten minutes were from Paul Daniels. Same setup, same result.

Think it good now?

Eoin · 02-10-2009 11:17PM

mink_man wrote: »

yes because all the people watching live in eastern europe....

You may have missed my point.

I was saying that he didn't need to go somewhere undercover where he wasn't recognised.

He could have gone to a big casino in somewhere like Vegas where they would be delighted to have the publicity and hope that it brought in more punters who thought there was a way to beat the system.

Big winners are great for business for casinos.

zuroph · 02-10-2009 11:32PM

Thought it was a great ending! He'll have loads of publicity from it tomorrow

ErinGoBrath · 02-10-2009 11:55PM

asdasd wrote: »

It was clearly a staged fail.

Completely agree.

zuroph · 02-10-2009 11:57PM

it was nowhere near live either.

zuroph · 03-10-2009 12:00AM

or earlier when he said "Ben, we're just waiting for the camera feed". lol

zonEEE · 03-10-2009 12:01AM

eoin wrote: »

You may have missed my point.

I was saying that he didn't need to go somewhere undercover where he wasn't recognised.

He could have gone to a big casino in somewhere like Vegas where they would be delighted to have the publicity and hope that it brought in more punters who thought there was a way to beat the system.

Big winners are great for business for casinos.

Hes more then likely bared from the vegas ones. Seen a interview with Keith Barry before and he was only aloud into 1 or 2 casinos in vegas so i guess it would be the same for Darren Brown if not worse

zuroph · 03-10-2009 12:05AM

strongr wrote: »

Hes more then likely bared from the vegas ones. Seen a interview with Keith Barry before and he was only aloud into 1 or 2 casinos in vegas so i guess it would be the same for Darren Brown if not worse

http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/10/derren-banned-casinos-story/

lol

Eoin · 03-10-2009 12:27AM

That's a good point. He might be barred as a punter but I'm sure the production company could work out an arrangement though.

Sir Gallagher · 03-10-2009 12:53AM

Derren Brown is a gentleman, he's a class act, he's a rebel and he stands up to bullies! Oh no wait, that's somebody else i'm thinking of.

asdasd · 03-10-2009 12:54AM

That's Micky Brown, the older bother, Lovely man.

OK-Cancel-Apply · 03-10-2009 01:11AM

Yes folks, this was the "Oh look he failed, therefore it all must be real" episode. Ugh, what BS.

TV shows don't hypnotise people and take their money any more than they point cameras in people's houses and drag the bewildered occupants outside. How could they get away with such behaviour? Besides, Jedi mind tricks don't work outside of Star Wars.

I really hope there's some big payoff soon, as this series has been pretty LAME. Talk about fake, cheap stooge-ridden nonsense.

asdasd · 03-10-2009 01:17AM

Thats it. It's over. No payoff. Overall crap, but I liked the third one, though it didnt work on me it did on some people I know.

zuroph · 03-10-2009 01:35AM

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Yes folks, this was the "Oh look he failed, therefore it all must be real" episode. Ugh, what BS.

TV shows don't hypnotise people and take their money any more than they point cameras in people's houses and drag the bewildered occupants outside. How could they get away with such behaviour? Besides, Jedi mind tricks don't work outside of Star Wars.

I really hope there's some big payoff soon, as this series has been pretty LAME. Talk about fake, cheap stooge-ridden nonsense.

He hypnotised him alright. He never took his money though, that was misdirection. He just gave him an envelope and told him to return it after. The filming from the street is perfectly fine as a) its a public place and b) He had volunteered for the show and presumably signed lengthy T+Cs.

I haven't seen a stooge all series, its often far too easy to blame stooges, IMO, he didnt use one anywhere, and didnt need to.

Mark200 · 03-10-2009 10:23AM

artanevilla wrote: »

You mean he's not really magic! :eek:

That's not the point. He doesn't claim to be magic, he tries to make out that he's just an extremely clever person who is extremely good at maths and that that's how he does all these things.

zuroph wrote: »

it was nowhere near live either.

Yeah, especially when he was giving the guy directions to the truck.

"Just a bit further"

When he was almost there

"There you go"

Right as he reached the entrance to the truck, quickly followed by "I can't see you, are you there yet?"

OK-Cancel-Apply · 03-10-2009 11:02AM

zuroph wrote: »

He hypnotised him alright. He never took his money though, that was misdirection. He just gave him an envelope and told him to return it after. The filming from the street is perfectly fine as a) its a public place and b) He had volunteered for the show and presumably signed lengthy T+Cs.

I haven't seen a stooge all series, its often far too easy to blame stooges, IMO, he didnt use one anywhere, and didnt need to.

Come on man, Jedi mind tricks? And you didn't see a stooge the whole series... how do you know?

TBH I don't think you believe any of it-- I think you are trying to protect the industry! Admit it!

zuroph · 03-10-2009 02:08PM

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Come on man, Jedi mind tricks? And you didn't see a stooge the whole series... how do you know?

TBH I don't think you believe any of it-- I think you are trying to protect the industry! Admit it!

I correct myself, the casino was stooged, that's it. The only non live bit was d casino. I hypnotise people, its possible to create the effect you saw last night with some hypnosis and some editing. My take is ;
Derren or accomplice meets ben, hypnotises him, and sets up d square scene.
Derren then films the scene nd makes it look like first meeting.
Off-edit he gives him envelope and tells him to return it after visit to ba k.
The house scene is live. I'd even guess derren was in d first truck.
The casino was pre-recorded.

Its the simplest way to do the trick, and works.

Thursday night i was asked for a demo of hypnosis. I walked over to a girl in club, held out hand and two seconds later she was in a deep trance. Spectator amazed. Of course, the spectator doesnt know i've previously spent a long time deepening this girls suggestability to hypnosis and now can be brought back under much quicker.

A few other things in derren's favour, the fact that he's well known and respected means the subject is instantly more subceptible.

drkpower · 03-10-2009 02:23PM

zuroph wrote: »

Thursday night i was asked for a demo of hypnosis. I walked over to a girl in club, held out hand and two seconds later she was in a deep trance. Spectator amazed. Of course, the spectator doesnt know i've previously spent a long time deepening this girls suggestability to hypnosis and now can be brought back under much quicker.

If true, you do realise that is a fairly serious offence, dont you?

Ricky91t · 03-10-2009 02:29PM

He failed.

zuroph · 03-10-2009 02:33PM

drkpower wrote: »

If true, you do realise that is a fairly serious offence, dont you?

eh, its not. point me to the legislation that says it is. 1952 hypnosis act, in the UK?

drkpower · 03-10-2009 02:36PM

zuroph wrote: »

eh, its not. point me to the legislation that says it is. 1952 hypnosis act, in the UK?

Its fine if she consented to being hypnotised but the mere fact that one knows one is being "hypnotised" adds in a massive amount of bias to the point that I would be quite dubious about how real it was.

If she didnt consent, it would be assault.

zuroph · 03-10-2009 02:48PM

drkpower wrote: »

Its fine if she consented to being hypnotised but the mere fact that one knows one is being "hypnotised" adds in a massive amount of bias to the point that I would be quite dubious about how real it was.

If she didnt consent, it would be assault.

did you read my post at all? She had previously been hypnotised by me! numerous times. She's actually a good friend. My point is, she had consented previously, and I knew her to be a good subject, but, in the eyes of the spectator that asked for a demo, he just saw me walk up to a random girl in a club and induct her instantly.
I'm just saying that we don't know how much pre-show work was done with the subject to get him to this level of trance instantly.

also, what adds bias for Derren is
a) His fame,
b) The surrounding camera crew
c) Ben, obviously a fan, has seen him do these inductions previously.
d) He is utterly convince he's about to win a crazy amount of money.

Sometimes, the presence of a camera-man is all thats needed to be able to instant induct, as the brain doesnt process the situation as a mugging, but as the performer filming something...

drkpower · 03-10-2009 03:03PM

zuroph wrote: »

did you read my post at all?

In your previous post, you didnt mention if she consented. And in your last post you didnt mention if she consented in this specific incidence.

toiletduck · 03-10-2009 03:11PM

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

TV shows don't...y point cameras in people's houses and drag the bewildered occupants outside. How could they get away with such behaviour?

Umm The Late Late used to do that all the time with winners of big prizes back in Gaybo's days!

orourkeda · 03-10-2009 03:35PM

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How to beat a casino - Derren Brown

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