How to beat a casino - Derren Brown

FearDark · 02-10-2009 9:00pm #1

FAIL!

*Not a Derren Bashing thread, the mans a genius but this last series "The Events" was just utterly crap and totally set up.

marbar · 02-10-2009 9:01pm

did he blow it?
the other two yokes were dirt so i didn't watch this

mailrewop · 02-10-2009 9:02pm

disaster :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

iangaffney · 02-10-2009 9:02pm

serious fail!! what the hell happened!? kinda proves his vulnerability i suppose, makes me appreciate him a bit more to be honest.

Sharpshooter · 02-10-2009 9:02pm

What's the point then,OP?
Maybe if you had started the thread while the programme was actually on?

mailrewop · 02-10-2009 9:03pm

marbar wrote: »

did he blow it?
the other two yokes were dirt so i didn't watch this

he was out by one

Firewalkwithme · 02-10-2009 9:04pm

Ben - we're gonna get your money back alright

Liathroidi Dana · 02-10-2009 9:04pm

Wow!!
That was so unexpected...damn!

Really shows he was doing this legit.!

TanG411 · 02-10-2009 9:05pm

Ah unlucky. At least it shows that he is human and does make mistakes. If he got it right there'd be people questioning his authenticity again so at least they have nothing to question this time.

I'm greatful that the person will get his money back. I bet the production company never saw that coming

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:07pm

does any1 else think he failed on purpose to make the other tricks seem real??

My name is URL · 02-10-2009 9:09pm

Am I the only one that thinks that by missing by 1 place, he actually (tried to) validate the fact that he is fallable, and not setting it up?

Mark200 · 02-10-2009 9:10pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Does it?

I mean the show would have pulled in tons of viewers ($$$$$$$) so it being fake or real might have nothing to do with it. It was good televsion regardless, so they could just be "milking" it?

hahah I was literally about to reply with "does it?" and give a similar post.

I'm very suspicious that this was faked. The whole episode was very different to others.

First of all, he could easily go to jail for STEALING £5000 straight out of someones bank account if this was real.

Second of all, how would he KNOW the guy would just happen to be watching his show?

Third of all, I find it extremely hard to believe that he could just predict where that girl's throw would land when she threw the ball. Especially after about half a second.

Fourth of all, being able to predict the SPEED AND MODEL AND YEAR of a car just from the SOUND on a very busy road?

Sorry, but yeah right.

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:10pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Am I the only one that thinks that by missing by 1 place, he actually (tried to) validate the fact that he is fallable, and not setting it up?

i do scan!

biko · 02-10-2009 9:12pm

Didn't see it but Derren is cool

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:14pm

just to back up my point, C4 get all the viewers, and it also seems that his other tricks were real and its not just a coincidence that he failed on the last show of the series!

Fago! · 02-10-2009 9:15pm

Derren Brown is a useless gee-bag!

I hate him.!

BBAAAAAAAHH!!!

Dun laoire · 02-10-2009 9:16pm

Liathroidi Dana wrote: »

Wow!!
That was so unexpected...damn!

Really shows he was doing this legit.!

AHhhhh, he got you. I reckon it was planned to fail. Just about fail but still to fail. Sucks people in to think the others were legit.

Liathroidi Dana · 02-10-2009 9:16pm

How come alot of people dislike derren, seems pretty cool ta me?

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:17pm

Liathroidi Dana wrote: »

How come alot of people dislike derren, seems pretty cool ta me?

as cool as the day is long!

Sharpshooter · 02-10-2009 9:20pm

mink_man wrote: »

as cool as the day is long!

Cooler in the summer then.

FearDark · 02-10-2009 9:22pm

mink_man wrote: »

does any1 else think he failed on purpose to make the other tricks seem real??

Exactly, he was getting awful abuse over the other shows being staged, and tonights one looked overly staged too.

Terrontress · 02-10-2009 9:23pm

It was all a hoax. If they had got the number right, they'd have had to have given Ben £180k. If it were a real casino it would be illegal. He said he couldn't smuggle in the equipment to scan the wheel. How come he could smuggle in his camera and transmission equipment? Also, if he took 5k sterling, how come the bet was 10 500s if he is in mainland Europe. Eurozone it would be 11 500s anyway.

With the squash court the chance is that it would land in one of 30 squares. 30 times with different volunteers and hey presto.

The whole thing is just a trick.

FearDark · 02-10-2009 9:24pm

Sharpshooter wrote: »

What's the point then,OP?
Maybe if you had started the thread while the programme was actually on?

Well, had you watched it youd know. It was right at the end, the last 10 seconds of the show, forgive me for not posting here in those last 10 seconds.

Kradock · 02-10-2009 9:26pm

Fago_25 wrote: »

Derren Brown is a useless gee-bag!

I hate him.!

BBAAAAAAA!!

Out in the fields , the sheep have got the tinternet,
Out in the fields , the posting just begun,
Out in the fields .............

Sharpshooter · 02-10-2009 9:28pm

FearDark wrote: »

Well, had you watched it youd know. It was right at the end, the last 10 seconds of the show, forgive me for not posting here in those last 10 seconds.

I love Derren and watch his show's all the time on C4, that's why I said if you had posted it when the programme was on.

I missed it because I forgot to watch.:pac:

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:29pm

Terrontress wrote: »

It was all a hoax. If they had got the number right, they'd have had to have given Ben £180k. If it were a real casino it would be illegal. He said he couldn't smuggle in the equipment to scan the wheel. How come he could smuggle in his camera and transmission equipment? Also, if he took 5k sterling, how come the bet was 10 500s if he is in mainland Europe. Eurozone it would be 11 500s anyway.

With the squash court the chance is that it would land in one of 30 squares. 30 times with different volunteers and hey presto.

The whole thing is just a trick.

i disagree with your 2nd point, he would have to have up to 30 guests for each number .....they throw ball, derren guesses number 1 for example, it lands in no. 2, wrong!

artanevilla · 02-10-2009 9:29pm

Mark200 wrote: »

hahah I was literally about to reply with "does it?" and give a similar post.

I'm very suspicious that this was faked. The whole episode was very different to others.

First of all, he could easily go to jail for STEALING £5000 straight out of someones bank account if this was real.

Second of all, how would he KNOW the guy would just happen to be watching his show?

Third of all, I find it extremely hard to believe that he could just predict where that girl's throw would land when she threw the ball. Especially after about half a second.

Fourth of all, being able to predict the SPEED AND MODEL AND YEAR of a car just from the SOUND on a very busy road?

Sorry, but yeah right.

You mean he's not really magic! :eek:

MagicMarker · 02-10-2009 9:29pm

TBH I thought it was fake when he called yer man and he was sweating profusely, you don't sweat that much sitting watching the tv, that's when I turned it over. Shame really I would have liked to see the ending.

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:31pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

TBH I thought it was fake when he called yer man and he was sweating profusely, you don't sweat that much sitting watching the tv, that's when I turned it over. Shame really I would have liked to see the ending.

dirty **** benny, sweatin like a tinker tryin to read!

Terrontress · 02-10-2009 9:39pm

mink_man wrote: »

i disagree with your 2nd point, he would have to have up to 30 guests for each number .....they throw ball, derren guesses number 1 for example, it lands in no. 2, wrong!

No, he only had one correct guess. Given the way the ball was thrown it was not going to land in the 2 rows furthest from where she was standing. Nor was it going to land in the two leftmost columns. Chances are it could be narrowed down to ten numbers. Easy to then do.

mink_man · 02-10-2009 9:42pm

Terrontress wrote: »

No, he only had one correct guess. Given the way the ball was thrown it was not going to land in the 2 rows furthest from where she was standing. Nor was it going to land in the two leftmost columns. Chances are it could be narrowed down to ten numbers. Easy to then do.

you're scrapin the end of the barrell there now....

Liathroidi Dana · 02-10-2009 9:43pm

Terrontress wrote: »

No, he only had one correct guess. Given the way the ball was thrown it was not going to land in the 2 rows furthest from where she was standing. Nor was it going to land in the two leftmost columns. Chances are it could be narrowed down to ten numbers. Easy to then do.

Not really as the edges of the numbers were raised makiing it quite unpredictable. Also you could see that it went across the room a couple of times.

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 02-10-2009 9:51pm

Bring back witch drowning IMO

Terrontress · 02-10-2009 9:58pm

Liathroidi Dana wrote: »

Not really as the edges of the numbers were raised makiing it quite unpredictable. Also you could see that it went across the room a couple of times.

It went off the left, then back then right wall, as per his instructions so it's easy to identify a lot of places it won't land.

Anyway, back to the casino bit, if he could read the roulette wheel, roulette would be illegal. Same with his lottery trick.

Eoin · 02-10-2009 10:04pm

I don't really understand the need for the quiet eastern European casino where he wouldn't be recognised.

I'd say any casino would be absolutely delighted to have him there, especially if he actually won. Nothing like one guy winning big to have thousands more flocking in thinking they can win too.

I'm usually a fan, but this series seems pretty crap.

mink_man · 02-10-2009 10:09pm

eoin wrote: »

I don't really understand the need for the quiet eastern European casino where he wouldn't be recognised.

I'd say any casino would be absolutely delighted to have him there, especially if he actually won. Nothing like one guy winning big to have thousands more flocking in thinking they can win too.

I'm usually a fan, but this series seems pretty crap.

yes because all the people watching live in eastern europe....

asdasd · 02-10-2009 10:15pm

It was clearly a staged fail. Otherwise the trick would be a guy with a crappy "live feed" going into a "casino" ( which didnt seem very busy) and guessing a number which came out correctly. That could be done in any number of ways. The thing only seems hard, it only seems that he is doing it the way he pretends - judging the velocity of the ball - if he fails by one.

Not very good TV. For the Derren brown fans ( and I think he is good live, but the evnts were ****e...) imagine that that last ten minutes were from Paul Daniels. Same setup, same result.

Think it good now?

Eoin · 02-10-2009 10:17pm

mink_man wrote: »

yes because all the people watching live in eastern europe....

You may have missed my point.

I was saying that he didn't need to go somewhere undercover where he wasn't recognised.

He could have gone to a big casino in somewhere like Vegas where they would be delighted to have the publicity and hope that it brought in more punters who thought there was a way to beat the system.

Big winners are great for business for casinos.

zuroph · 02-10-2009 10:32pm

Thought it was a great ending! He'll have loads of publicity from it tomorrow

ErinGoBrath · 02-10-2009 10:55pm

asdasd wrote: »

It was clearly a staged fail.

Completely agree.

zuroph · 02-10-2009 10:57pm

it was nowhere near live either.

zuroph · 02-10-2009 11:00pm

or earlier when he said "Ben, we're just waiting for the camera feed". lol

zonEEE · 02-10-2009 11:01pm

eoin wrote: »

You may have missed my point.

I was saying that he didn't need to go somewhere undercover where he wasn't recognised.

He could have gone to a big casino in somewhere like Vegas where they would be delighted to have the publicity and hope that it brought in more punters who thought there was a way to beat the system.

Big winners are great for business for casinos.

Hes more then likely bared from the vegas ones. Seen a interview with Keith Barry before and he was only aloud into 1 or 2 casinos in vegas so i guess it would be the same for Darren Brown if not worse

zuroph · 02-10-2009 11:05pm

strongr wrote: »

Hes more then likely bared from the vegas ones. Seen a interview with Keith Barry before and he was only aloud into 1 or 2 casinos in vegas so i guess it would be the same for Darren Brown if not worse

http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/10/derren-banned-casinos-story/

lol

Eoin · 02-10-2009 11:27pm

That's a good point. He might be barred as a punter but I'm sure the production company could work out an arrangement though.

Sir Gallagher · 02-10-2009 11:53pm

Derren Brown is a gentleman, he's a class act, he's a rebel and he stands up to bullies! Oh no wait, that's somebody else i'm thinking of.

asdasd · 02-10-2009 11:54pm

That's Micky Brown, the older bother, Lovely man.

OK-Cancel-Apply · 03-10-2009 12:11am

Yes folks, this was the "Oh look he failed, therefore it all must be real" episode. Ugh, what BS.

TV shows don't hypnotise people and take their money any more than they point cameras in people's houses and drag the bewildered occupants outside. How could they get away with such behaviour? Besides, Jedi mind tricks don't work outside of Star Wars.

I really hope there's some big payoff soon, as this series has been pretty LAME. Talk about fake, cheap stooge-ridden nonsense.

asdasd · 03-10-2009 12:17am

Thats it. It's over. No payoff. Overall crap, but I liked the third one, though it didnt work on me it did on some people I know.

zuroph · 03-10-2009 12:35am

OK-Cancel-Apply wrote: »

Yes folks, this was the "Oh look he failed, therefore it all must be real" episode. Ugh, what BS.

TV shows don't hypnotise people and take their money any more than they point cameras in people's houses and drag the bewildered occupants outside. How could they get away with such behaviour? Besides, Jedi mind tricks don't work outside of Star Wars.

I really hope there's some big payoff soon, as this series has been pretty LAME. Talk about fake, cheap stooge-ridden nonsense.

He hypnotised him alright. He never took his money though, that was misdirection. He just gave him an envelope and told him to return it after. The filming from the street is perfectly fine as a) its a public place and b) He had volunteered for the show and presumably signed lengthy T+Cs.

I haven't seen a stooge all series, its often far too easy to blame stooges, IMO, he didnt use one anywhere, and didnt need to.

Mark200 · 03-10-2009 9:23am

artanevilla wrote: »

You mean he's not really magic! :eek:

That's not the point. He doesn't claim to be magic, he tries to make out that he's just an extremely clever person who is extremely good at maths and that that's how he does all these things.

zuroph wrote: »

it was nowhere near live either.

Yeah, especially when he was giving the guy directions to the truck.

"Just a bit further"

When he was almost there

"There you go"

Right as he reached the entrance to the truck, quickly followed by "I can't see you, are you there yet?"

How to beat a casino - Derren Brown

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