Jacques Fresco and "Future By Design"

condra · 27-10-2008 10:28PM #1

Has anyone heard of this guy Jacques Fresco?

I recently watched an interesting film about him, "Future By Design".

Clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7x79kJ1S0

He's kind of an eccentric futurist utopian engineer/designer. I'm sure many here would be able to pick chunks out of his points, theories and concepts, but he is a facsinating man nontheless, if only for his radical views and naive charm.

The subject of religion comes up in the second half of the film, and his atheism is softly brushed on.

I'm sure the full version is available online somewhere.

studiorat · 27-10-2008 11:59PM

Great Artist. A modern day Da Vinci?

pinksoir · 28-10-2008 01:37AM

Yeah, I saw that documentary. Inspiring stuff.

condra · 28-10-2008 03:45AM

Hmm just read this:

Zeitgeist: Addendum, a 2008 documentary film produced by Peter Joseph, is a continuation of the film Zeitgeist, the Movie.......
........concluding with the advocating of the Venus Project, created by social engineer Jacque Fresco.

Haven't yet watched part 2 of Zeitgeist but I wasn't in the least bit surprised to see these two slightly bonkers entities coming together.

Dades · 28-10-2008 10:49AM

womoma wrote: »

Has anyone heard of this guy Jacques Fresco?

I knew his brother, Al. :pac:

Have any of his designs actually come to fruition? If he's been doing this his whole life you'd expect not everything is still just a concept.

Zillah · 28-10-2008 11:16AM

Dades wrote: »

I knew his brother, Al. :pac:

:facepalm:

studiorat · 28-10-2008 12:01PM

Dades wrote: »

I knew his brother, Al. :pac:

Man! Even I passed on that one.

2xensemble · 01-10-2009 12:55AM

womoma wrote: »

Hmm just read this:

Haven't yet watched part 2 of Zeitgeist but I wasn't in the least bit surprised to see these two slightly bonkers entities coming together.

Whats so "bonkers" about it? fairness it goes on a bit of a rant in a few bits but for the vast majority its spot on... as for jacque he's got the head screwed on, talking about things though that we wont see happen in our generation because of egocentric materialistic narrow minded f*****s like you & I! :cool:
ps if they ever do build one of these "future cities" let dublin be the first! Level the place dubs inc. and start again!!!

Flamed Diving · 01-10-2009 02:50PM

2xensemble wrote: »

Whats so "bonkers" about it? fairness it goes on a bit of a rant in a few bits but for the vast majority its spot on... as for jacque he's got the head screwed on, talking about things though that we wont see happen in our generation because of egocentric materialistic narrow minded f*****s like you & I! :cool:
ps if they ever do build one of these "future cities" let dublin be the first! Level the place dubs inc. and start again!!!

No, the first 1/3 of it is entirely unaccurate, in the very least. Their interpretation of the money multiplier would make a 1st year economics student cringe. Good god, lad, read a book!

2xensemble · 01-10-2009 03:27PM

Flamed Diving wrote: »

No, the first 1/3 of it is entirely unaccurate, in the very least. Their interpretation of the money multiplier would make a 1st year economics student cringe. Good god, lad, read a book!

God freak alert!!! :eek: Is it because i added the dublin bit? cause in fairness it is a s***hole that should be removed from the earth TBH... in fairness though like i said they do tend to go on rants from time to time (and i personally would not be taking anything said for granted FYI) however they do say repeatedly throughout that a lot of the 'topics' have explained in generalisations. The ideas and way of thinking is correct however to explain something factual of that manner in a short space of time is almost impossible... actually why am I even bothering replying... as for the read a book, WTF would you know "MR 3,241 replies to bords.ie" what a sad individual you are GET A LIFE!:D

robindch · 01-10-2009 03:38PM

2xensemble wrote:

egocentric materialistic narrow minded f*****s like you & I!

2xensemble wrote: »

God freak alert!!! [...] it is a s***hole [...] WTF [...] what a sad individual you are GET A LIFE!:D

You've been carded for inappropriate language, and if there were a card for inconsequentiality, you'd have received one of them too.

Flamed Diving · 01-10-2009 04:32PM

2xensemble wrote: »

God freak alert!!! :eek: Is it because i added the dublin bit?

What Dublin bit? Oh, I see. No, it's the quoting of Zeitgeist that was enough.

2xensemble wrote: »

cause in fairness it is a s***hole that should be removed from the earth TBH...

Ah, it's not that bad, in fairness. I sense some trauma with you and Dublin.

2xensemble wrote: »

in fairness though like i said they do tend to go on rants from time to time

I know someone else like that...

2xensemble wrote: »

(and i personally would not be taking anything said for granted FYI)

I remain skeptical to anyone who gives Zeitgeist a moment of thought.

2xensemble wrote: »

however they do say repeatedly throughout that a lot of the 'topics' have explained in generalisations.

Generalisations = half-explained, half-understood, semi-truths.

2xensemble wrote: »

The ideas and way of thinking is correct however to explain something factual of that manner in a short space of time is almost impossible...

No, their understanding of the MM is laughable. If it were true, inflation would be at infinite levels. They do not understand economics at even a basic level, but with uncritical fans, it really doesn't matter.

2xensemble wrote: »

actually why am I even bothering replying...

There is still time not to...

2xensemble wrote: »

as for the read a book, WTF would you know "MR 3,241 replies to bords.ie" what a sad individual you are GET A LIFE!:D

According to my stats:

Posts Per Day: 6.59

Good day.

Dades · 01-10-2009 05:20PM

I sense much fear in you, 2xensemble.

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

2xensemble · 01-10-2009 06:27PM

so you do believe in the existance of an all powerful figure head which created the world, universe and all living entities within it? Just so were clear I'm not trying to be an advocate of zeitgeist here. and FYI someone who Posts 6.59 times per day every day since may 2008 does for the vast majority of people living in real world with real social lives constitute that you are a SAD INDIVIDUAL!!

2xensemble · 01-10-2009 06:31PM

Powerful you have become Dades, however, the dark side I sense in you.

Flamed Diving · 01-10-2009 07:02PM

2xensemble wrote: »

so you do believe in the existance of an all powerful figure head which created the world, universe and all living entities within it?

No.

2xensemble wrote: »

Just so were clear I'm not trying to be an advocate of zeitgeist here.

But you are. Saying you're not doesn't make it so when you seem to think the video is 'spot on' for the 'vast majority' and that the 'ideas and way of thinking is correct'.

2xensemble wrote: »

and FYI someone who Posts 6.59 times per day every day since may 2008 does for the vast majority of people living in real world with real social lives constitute that you are a SAD INDIVIDUAL!!

Interesting, however you have posted five times already today. Doesn't take much effort, does it?

Secondly, you must think that the mods of this forum are sad individuals, by that logic.

Thirdly, there are rules to this forum, in particular about personal abuse.

Dades · 01-10-2009 10:35PM

2xensemble wrote: »

Powerful you have become Dades, however, the dark side I sense in you.

The dark side of me has just given you a couple of days holiday from A&A.

If you're inclined to post here after that, ensure you read the charter in the interim - particularly the part about how you engage with other posters.

robindch · 01-10-2009 11:00PM

Dades wrote: »

The dark side of me has just given you a couple of days holiday from A&A.

Thanks -- saved me the effort.

2xensemble · 10-10-2009 04:38AM

Dades wrote: »

The dark side of me has just given you a couple of days holiday from A&A.

If you're inclined to post here after that, ensure you read the charter in the interim - particularly the part about how you engage with other posters.

hypocrite

2xensemble · 10-10-2009 04:40AM

So the worlds perfect then... no need for any kind of change economical or social. sad narrow minded loner

robindch · 10-10-2009 08:28AM

Barring a public apology, or adjudication to the contrary, 2xensemble's holiday is now permanent.

condra · 10-10-2009 11:27AM

So the worlds perfect then... no need for any kind of change economical or social.

Nobody said that. This method of arguing is naive, and putting a personal insult on top only serves to further diminish any integrity anyone might have afforded you.

Recon20k · 16-08-2010 06:12PM

I saw him in the button factory this year. He's got some balls joining the KKK (to try change their views), gotta respect him for that.

Although, i gotta say, he (and zeitgeist) with their "resource based economy" show some serious disrespect for nature. As far as i can see they see the planet as something that exists only for humans and they want to turn the earth into a giant farm and engineer a society to live on it.

I've got an idea who he is looking for:

Funglegunk · 16-08-2010 10:04PM

Jesus its fairly full on. 10 seconds in and they're comparing this guy to DaVinci!

Jarndyce · 29-08-2010 10:20AM

Recon20k wrote: »

Although, i gotta say, he (and zeitgeist) with their "resource based economy" show some serious disrespect for nature. As far as i can see they see the planet as something that exists only for humans and they want to turn the earth into a giant farm and engineer a society to live on it.

Well done. You managed to completely misunderstand his concepts. He strives for the exact opposite of what you stated above. I suggest that you do some more research before making such an asinine assessment of his work.

Zillah · 29-08-2010 01:07PM

Jarndyce wrote: »

He strives for the exact opposite of what you stated above.

He wants to turn Earth into one big...city...and then engineer a society that...can't live on it?

Jarndyce · 29-08-2010 01:18PM

Zillah wrote: »

He wants to turn Earth into one big...city...and then engineer a society that...can't live on it?

In that the science and technology is used to invigorate and preserve nature and all the species therein. It is far from "something that exists only for humans". The previous poster said it shows 'disrespect' for nature'. That is an willfully ignorant statement to make. If he bothered to do so much as a quick google and watch a video like this then he would see just how absurd his comment was.

Zillah · 29-08-2010 01:24PM

If he plans on giving technology to dolphins then I have to protest. Those guys might be even smarter than we are, and if they get their hands on some guns or a wireless internet connection we could be in serious trouble.

Jarndyce · 29-08-2010 01:36PM

Zillah wrote: »

If he plans on giving technology to dolphins then I have to protest. Those guys might be even smarter than we are, and if they get their hands on some guns or a wireless internet connection we could be in serious trouble.

You're right, that would be reckless. I don't think that's on the table though, thankfully.

demonspawn · 30-08-2010 04:16AM

Here's something to keep in mind.

TVP full library - $295
9 DVD set + book - $170
5 DVD set - $65
15 CD lecture set - $125
Autographed photos - $100
I think I remember a tour of his home in Florida going for $200

For someone who preaches about free living and the all the rest, he sure does charge a lot for his crap.

Don't be a sucker.

Edit: Requesting a "Cults" section be added to religion and spirituality and this thread be moved there. :rolleyes:

Jarndyce · 30-08-2010 03:27PM

demonspawn wrote: »

Here's something to keep in mind.

TVP full library - $295
9 DVD set + book - $170
5 DVD set - $65
15 CD lecture set - $125
Autographed photos - $100
I think I remember a tour of his home in Florida going for $200

For someone who preaches about free living and the all the rest, he sure does charge a lot for his crap.

Don't be a sucker.

Edit: Requesting a "Cults" section be added to religion and spirituality and this thread be moved there. :rolleyes:

If you bothered to read his work or view some of his lectures you would hear him quite candidly address the very point you make. Furthermore, it is willfully ignorant to dismiss the theories of one of the 20th century's greatest minds as a mere 'cult'. Perhaps an "ignorant posters who spew uninformed opinions" section should be added and your post could be moved there.

Jacques Fresco and "Future By Design"

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