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Jacques Fresco and "Future By Design"
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27-10-2008 9:28pm#1
Has anyone heard of this guy Jacques Fresco?
I recently watched an interesting film about him, "Future By Design".
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7x79kJ1S0
He's kind of an eccentric futurist utopian engineer/designer. I'm sure many here would be able to pick chunks out of his points, theories and concepts, but he is a facsinating man nontheless, if only for his radical views and naive charm.
The subject of religion comes up in the second half of the film, and his atheism is softly brushed on.
I'm sure the full version is available online somewhere.
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Hmm just read this:Zeitgeist: Addendum, a 2008 documentary film produced by Peter Joseph, is a continuation of the film Zeitgeist, the Movie.......
........concluding with the advocating of the Venus Project, created by social engineer Jacque Fresco.
Haven't yet watched part 2 of Zeitgeist but I wasn't in the least bit surprised to see these two slightly bonkers entities coming together.
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Hmm just read this:
Haven't yet watched part 2 of Zeitgeist but I wasn't in the least bit surprised to see these two slightly bonkers entities coming together.
Whats so "bonkers" about it? fairness it goes on a bit of a rant in a few bits but for the vast majority its spot on... as for jacque he's got the head screwed on, talking about things though that we wont see happen in our generation because of egocentric materialistic narrow minded f*****s like you & I! :cool:
ps if they ever do build one of these "future cities" let dublin be the first! Level the place dubs inc. and start again!!! 0 -
2xensemble wrote: »Whats so "bonkers" about it? fairness it goes on a bit of a rant in a few bits but for the vast majority its spot on... as for jacque he's got the head screwed on, talking about things though that we wont see happen in our generation because of egocentric materialistic narrow minded f*****s like you & I! :cool:
ps if they ever do build one of these "future cities" let dublin be the first! Level the place dubs inc. and start again!!!
No, the first 1/3 of it is entirely unaccurate, in the very least. Their interpretation of the money multiplier would make a 1st year economics student cringe. Good god, lad, read a book!0 -
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so you do believe in the existance of an all powerful figure head which created the world, universe and all living entities within it? Just so were clear I'm not trying to be an advocate of zeitgeist here. and FYI someone who Posts 6.59 times per day every day since may 2008 does for the vast majority of people living in real world with real social lives constitute that you are a SAD INDIVIDUAL!! 0
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2xensemble wrote: »so you do believe in the existance of an all powerful figure head which created the world, universe and all living entities within it?
No.2xensemble wrote: »Just so were clear I'm not trying to be an advocate of zeitgeist here.
But you are. Saying you're not doesn't make it so when you seem to think the video is 'spot on' for the 'vast majority' and that the 'ideas and way of thinking is correct'.2xensemble wrote: »and FYI someone who Posts 6.59 times per day every day since may 2008 does for the vast majority of people living in real world with real social lives constitute that you are a SAD INDIVIDUAL!!
Interesting, however you have posted five times already today. Doesn't take much effort, does it?
Secondly, you must think that the mods of this forum are sad individuals, by that logic.
Thirdly, there are rules to this forum, in particular about personal abuse.0 -
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I saw him in the button factory this year. He's got some balls joining the KKK (to try change their views), gotta respect him for that.
Although, i gotta say, he (and zeitgeist) with their "resource based economy" show some serious disrespect for nature. As far as i can see they see the planet as something that exists only for humans and they want to turn the earth into a giant farm and engineer a society to live on it.
I've got an idea who he is looking for:
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Some of the alleged goals of the NWO according to Dr. John Coleman Ex-MI6, quite similar to some of the aims of the Venus Project.
1. To establish a One World Government/New World Order with a unified church and monetary system under their direction. The One World Government began to set up its church in the 1920:s and 30:s, for they realized the need for a religious belief inherent in mankind must have an outlet and, therefore, set up a "church" body to channel that belief in the direction they desired.
That's the absolute opposite of the Venus Project. The VP is completely against any monetary system, advocating a resource based economy instead.2. To bring about the utter destruction of all national identity and national pride, which was a primary consideration if the concept of a One World Government was to work.
Utter destruction of national identity? You say that in a most negative way. If one studies paleontology and the theory of evolution, they realise how utterly vacuous are the notions of race, religion etc. Nations as we know them have developed based on monetary systems and scarcity. By removing these boundaries to allow a resource based economy to flourish, as opposed to a scarcity based, capitalist, monetary system a la NWO, everybody thrives and 'national identity' is exposed as the meaningless, small-minded notion that it actually is. By achieving such a position, one realises that the Earth belongs to everyone and from this position, more people can cast their attention to the cosmos and actually begin to educate themselves about what we are, where we came from, and where we are going.3. To engineer and bring about the destruction of religion, and more especially, the Christian Religion, with the one exception, their own creation, as mentioned above.
The destruction of religion is a favorable concept to any right-minded person. It impedes science, segregates communities and nations, and inflicts untold evils on the world. Maintaining religion is perhaps a favorable concept to those wishing to establish the NWO, as it essentially keeps the sheep of the world relatively content in their monotony, for when they lose their jobs or their homes they can squirm to find some meaning for these events by turning to their God and the elation that his Kingdom will provide upon death. The VP is about science and education and with each of these things the inanity of religion becomes quickly apparent.4. To establish the ability to control of each and every person through means of mind control and what Zbignew Brzezinski called techonotronics, which would create human-like robots and a system of terror which would make Felix Dzerzinhski's Red Terror look like children at play.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the VP. Your contempt for that concept as well as Brzezinski and his ilk is more than justified, however you are gravely mistaken if you ascribe such intentions to Fresco. I would ask you to point to an example of this in the work of Fresco and the VP not because I haven't researched it myself, for indeed I have, but because I know that it does not exist and therefore I am curious as to why you draw this conclusion. You have apparently taken the NWO and the VP to be one and the same, without any knowledgeable basis for same.5. To bring about the end to all industrialization and the production of nuclear generated electric power in what they call "the post-industrial zero-growth society". Excepted are the computer- and service industries. US industries that remain will be exported to countries such as Mexico where abundant slave labor is available. As we saw in 1993, this has become a fact through the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. Unemployables in the US, in the wake of industrial destruction, will either become opium-heroin and/or cocaine addicts, or become statistics in the elimination of the "excess population" process we know of today as Global 2000.
This is clearly inapplicable to the VP for the reasons set out above.6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an "art-form", which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.
7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.
Again, While I am aware of this in the context of the NWO, again I will ask you to please reconcile this agenda with some semblance of a citation in respect of the VP.
What I have learned from your post is that you entirely misunderstand two diametrically opposed concepts to be one and the same. It's truly remarkable how you are mistaken to this extent. You appear to have a more than elementary knowledge of what the NWO and its proponents seek to achieve, however you appear to be practically devoid of any information regarding the VP. I would recommend that you research the latter and realise that you are beyond mistaken in believing that the two are 'very similar'.0 -
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