CPC courses & training

AllGunsBlazing · 25-09-2009 03:55PM

Richie15 wrote: »

Does it have to be every calender year you do one, or is it a period of one year from when you get the licence? What about if you pass your test in December?

As far as I know that December 31st deadline is for people who already held a bus licence before the changes came into place.

It was supposed to be September 10th 2009, so effectively any one with acquired rights would have got their CPC on that same date in 2008, giving them twelve months to complete the first training module. But they put it back because enough training centres didn't come online fast enough, I think.

So if someone else was to pass their bus driving test on December 1st 2009 for example, then I'd imagine that person would have 12 months from that exact date to complete the first day's training.

BUACHAILL · 25-09-2009 07:44PM

I had my test today for a c licence and failed. Do I know have to do the cpc part 1 before my retest or can I just bull ahead for a retest. I am not driving for a living and just wanted to have the licence ??

Thanks in advance

driverite · 25-09-2009 09:26PM

Yes you have to do the cpc now because you didnt pass. The RSA gave exemptions to people who had applied for there test by the 10th of september.

Richie15 · 25-09-2009 09:30PM

If you don't want to drive for a living, you wont need the CPC but if you do decide to go for it you have to do it within two years of doing the test, otherwise you'd have to do that again too. I'd say you're better off getting it over with in the first place but it's up to you.

driverite · 25-09-2009 09:30PM

The Bus cpc can in on the 10th of september 2008 so you have to have your first day (7 hours) done by the 31st of december.

Its 35 hours training over 5 years for d licence holders pre september 2008. Luckily for them they dont have to take an exam after it,

BUACHAILL · 25-09-2009 11:17PM

driverite wrote: »

Yes you have to do the cpc now because you didnt pass. The RSA gave exemptions to people who had applied for there test by the 10th of september.

Can I boldly say its a conflict of interest then for RSA to pass people? I honestly dont see where I failed today and when I asked the guy he said he couldnt recall where exactly I got a grade 3 ( you would think for a potential dangerous / dangerous driving he would easily recall). Rest of my test was pretty much flawless. Its not sour grapes either just dont see why they would want people passing if they can accumilate vasts amoount of profit from this cpc !!

driverite · 26-09-2009 05:43PM

I wouldnt say the RSA fail people at all, They dont recieve anything from the cpc. There are 70 approved training centre around the country, and they are all independent from the RSA.

If i got that answer of i dont remember when it happened on a test, i would appeal it straight away. When i was testing you always recalled the pinks. It has to be dangerous or potentially dangerous before they would award it.

Its going to cost you the guts of €500 to resit your test. €350 for the CPC and the tests and €110 for the driving test, So for €20 appeal it, If he goes to the judge and says he forgots where you got it you will get a retest.

By they way every tester has to write a report when somebody gets a pink on a test just in case there was an appeal.

And also the cpc is an European directive for all EU countries not just Here

http://www.rsa.ie/SERVICES/RSA_Services/CPC_Unit.html

Wishbone Ash · 26-09-2009 05:52PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Here is a list of training providers on a county by county basis.

http://www.rsa.ie/SERVICES/upload/File/CPC/ApprovedTrainerProvidersRSA.pdf

Thanks for that AllGunsBlazing.

Wishbone Ash · 26-09-2009 06:04PM

The RSA site only gives prices for the ordinary CPC tests. I can't find any mention of a price for the two days per year that I will have to do under the 'acquired rights' for bus and truck.

AllGunsBlazing · 26-09-2009 09:50PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The RSA site only gives prices for the ordinary CPC tests. I can't find any mention of a price for the two days per year that I will have to do under the 'acquired rights' for bus and truck.

The course providers will set their own price, expect it to be in the 75 - 100 euro range per module.

Also, maybe I'm misreading you here but you won't have to do two days training per year to keep both. You certainly will not need to attend two courses every year if that is what you are thinking. You will be required to do six modules (42 hours training in your case as opposed to 35 hours for just the one licence category).

Remember, four of the six modules cover both licence categories - the other two are specific to bus or truck.

And though I've mentioned this before you need to get that first module done before the new year to keep on track for the bus.

N.B. - If and when you do attend the first training course it would be great if you could post here and basically give us the lowdown on what the day was like.

BUACHAILL · 29-09-2009 10:40AM

ok guys sorry to be a pest but I am confused on this thing !!

Do I need to know do the cpc as I am not driving for a living ?
will I need to complete the cpc before I re-take my test or can it be done afetrwards ?

thanks in advance

Richie15 · 30-09-2009 01:33AM

BUACHAILL wrote: »

ok guys sorry to be a pest but I am confused on this thing !!

Do I need to know do the cpc as I am not driving for a living ?
will I need to complete the cpc before I re-take my test or can it be done afetrwards ?

thanks in advance

TheoryTest.ie:

Is the CPC test mandatory?Yes, if you do not hold a full licence for a truck or bus before the Driver CPC comes into force (that is 10 September 2008 for buses and 10 September 2009 for trucks). You must pass the Driver CPC theory test before you can apply for the driving and practical tests, if you intend to drive a bus/truck professionally (for a living).

Certain drivers in the bus and truck licence category are exempt from the changes; can you give me examples of who is exempt?Drivers of vehicles for non-commercial purposes eg. driving as a volunteer, drivers of emergency or rescue vehicles, drivers of vehicles while delivering driving instruction, drivers of vehicles used by a driver in the course of his/her work provided that driving the vehicle is not the drivers principal occupation e.g. A plumber who uses a light truck to transport his/her materials would not require a Driver CPC. A driver of a truck delivering cement would require a Driver CPC.

RSA.ie:

8. I do not want to drive professionally (or I believe I have an exemption from CPC) but I do want to get a bus/truck driving licence, what do I do?
Nothing has changed for you; you can still apply for the learner permit theory test and obtain your learner permit. You can then apply and take the standard driving test in the normal way.

That's not much help on the "can I change my mind?" question but it's the most I can find anywhere...

driverite · 30-09-2009 05:59PM

The answer to your Question is no you dont need one. Only if you are doing volunteer work and wont be paid for your work...........but you will not get a test date with out one.

My Pal has been waiting since april for a D licence and when he rang to see when it was, he was told told he need the cpc before they can give him a date

Dankoozy · 07-10-2009 09:45PM

If you get a D license and a C or E+C would you have to spend more on this CPC thing than if you just had one license that required a CPC? what about the 8 hours a year thing, will that be 16 hours a year then?

jimmyw · 08-10-2009 11:19AM

Dankoozy wrote: »

If you get a D license and a C or E+C would you have to spend more on this CPC thing than if you just had one license that required a CPC? what about the 8 hours a year thing, will that be 16 hours a year then?

Well I assume you need a cpc for each category, but could be wrong on that. The hours are 35 over 5 years i.e 7hrs per year by 5.

http://www.rsa.ie/SERVICES/RSA_Services/CPC_Unit.html

HighlyCooL · 08-10-2009 11:34AM

driverite wrote: »

My Pal has been waiting since april for a D licence and when he rang to see when it was, he was told told he need the cpc before they can give him a date

I had that problem you just ring them and tell them your not doing CPC, the first one i got on the fone was a wagon, and wouldnt execpt no as an answer rang back again, go talking to some one else had my date a week later

Del2005 · 10-10-2009 04:30AM

Has anyone got their CPC cards yet? I passed my D and practical CPC recently and when I rang the RSA after passing the D, failed it 1st time, they told me to keep the CPC cert as they wheren't issuing the cards yet. Has anyone who passed sent in their CPC pass cert? I must call them, but will have to wait till Mon.

electron · 21-10-2009 01:33PM

no, passed the test about a month ago, no card yet. was actually expecting to get it sooner.

Richie15 · 24-10-2009 07:13PM

Any more word on the case studies? Anyone know what kind of questions are there?

electron · 27-10-2009 12:43AM

sorry, i can't recall what the exact questions were... all i remember is it wasn't anything too hard.
i'm going for a truck licence now and was just wondering, what's the story with the case studies there? cuz it seems that the bus ones are the only ones available to download from their website.

Richie15 · 27-10-2009 01:45AM

electron wrote: »

sorry, i can't recall what the exact questions were... all i remember is it wasn't anything too hard.
i'm going for a truck licence now and was just wondering, what's the story with the case studies there? cuz it seems that the bus ones are the only ones available to download from their website.

They're all listed here:
http://www.theorytest.ie/english/cpc/CPC-multiple-choice.pdf
Think that's the same site the bus ones were on before, but now they both are. The MCQ is the same.

I don't mind if you haven't got the exact questions, just trying to figure out what kind of thing it is? Do they ask you to point out faults the driver has made? That's the most likely thing I can think of.

Del2005 · 27-10-2009 09:46PM

Richie15 wrote: »

They're all listed here:
http://www.theorytest.ie/english/cpc/CPC-multiple-choice.pdf
Think that's the same site the bus ones were on before, but now they both are. The MCQ is the same.

I don't mind if you haven't got the exact questions, just trying to figure out what kind of thing it is? Do they ask you to point out faults the driver has made? That's the most likely thing I can think of.

It's been a while since I did the case studies, but as I remember they just ask some questions about the story you have to read as you said point out faults and customers service issues. They wheren't too hard, just make sure to read the case studies a couple of times and you should be OK. They asked some questions about the deaf person getting onto the bus, which I didn't realise till doing the test. I forgot to print out one of the case studies and still managed it.

Just make sure you read the questions carefully as all the answers are in the case studies, which you can still see when doing the test.

wingknot · 27-10-2009 09:48PM

Hello to all,
I finaly have a test date next month for my D1 driving test and the CPC practical test after numerous cockups with the rsa,waiting since June,
anyway after waiting this long I don't want to make any mistakes,question is do I need to do a course for the CPC practical test or is it common sense and straight'forward,any info would be very welcome,Thanks.

CiniO · 11-11-2009 02:12AM

Maybe someone will know.
I had D licence before 10.09.2008, so I acquired CPC rights automatically.
Recently I started thinking about doing C licence. Will I need to go through all the initial qualification for CPC with C licence, even I already got CPC from my D licence ?
It pretty much seems the same thing for both C and D.

Also another question.
So far, my D licence issued before 10.09.2008 is a proof of my acquired CPC. I'm sure it's good enough proof for Gardai. But if someone drives abroad (within EU), I don't think this proof will be enough, considering in most EU countires, everyone got CPC drivers cards.

It's supposed to be valid all over Europe, so I would expect them to issue me CPC drivers card, so I can get job in any European county.

Does anyone think it's possible to ask them for CPC card, if I aquired my rights automatically?

driverite · 11-11-2009 07:55AM

Cinio you need to do 1 day training before the 31st december, and 1 day every year for the next 5 years.........the good news is you dont have to sit an exam for it.

As far as i know the cpc is different between the d and the c licences. The cpc came in for the c on the 10th september 2009. So anyone with it will have to do 1 day training before 31st december 2010 etc etc.

redpoppy · 26-11-2009 12:05AM

I have just taken all of the CPC exams for the bus and truck licence last Saturday and today and passed them all thank god !!

Saturday was the multiple choice for both the bus & truck and you only need to take one exam to cover both categories. That exam was pretty easy as you just need to learn the question bank, if you know that, you can’t fail really. You can download the 238 question bank from the RSA website, I printed 4 pages onto one sheet and it cut down the paper for printing. There are 100 questions in the exam and you need 61 to pass.

Today I had the bus case study exam this morning and the truck later on this afternoon.

The bus case study was pretty ok and a lot of the answers were in the case study, the truck one was a different story and I honestly thought I had failed that one. I had only studied the case studies, nothing else and kind of wished I had read another book or something !

I will try list as many of the questions I can think of but there was 90 between both exams so I can’t remember them all. This is not even the correct wording for a lot of them but it will give you an idea !!

BUS –
Case study 1
Should the driver have lowered the kneel facility first or the ramp ?
When pulling off from the supermarket, should the driver accelerate more to pull away and then less power to keep vehicle moving ?
Who did the garda call to inspect the vehicle ?
What should the driver have done to assist the wheelchair person ? (consider manual safety/ allow person to get on independently/ ……………..)
What type of special facilities did bus have ? (Wheelchair access & priority seating)
What should driver do if someone is in wheelchair place on the bus ? (Ask people to move)

Case study 2
Why was driver annoyed cyclist was in contra-flow lane ? (not allowed in lane)
What should driver anticipate cyclist will do ? (go straight ahead)
Where should driver have steered bus to after blowout ? (left shoulder)
What mistake did driver make after stopping bus ? (waving at traffic to stop)

Case study 3
How many extra tonnes did driver calculate for 30 passengers ? (2/4/6/8)
What mistake did driver make about the ABS light ? (ignored it)
What should driver have told children to do ? (sit down & put seatbelts on)
After the detour by gardai what could the driver have done ? (pulled in and checked map)
What safety equipment did the driver not have on the bus ?
How many fire extinguishers, minimum, should bus have ?

TRUCK
Case study 1 (Gavin)
Should Gavin have stopped after spill ?
Can he stop at side of road ?
Why did driver not see car after he moved back into correct lane ?
Was the delivery arrival slot correct ? (different options between hour &half/ two hours)
What type of haulier was he ?
What did he omit to check on walk around check ?
Whose responsible for checking back door secure after loading ?
What was max width of his vehicle ?
What caused load to spill ? (Gravity/centrifugal/centrifuge/centripetal)

Case study 2 (Jim)
Which wheels lifted on bend ?
What was worst situation that could happen on bend ?
What allowed the truck to have extra hold on the road ?
What did the truck have that prevented damage to infrastructure ?
When should he next download his tachograph ?

Case Study 4 (Peter)
Hows many years has he left of his ADR licence ?
How often does he need to complete CPCs training ? (25 hours/ 42/ 45/ 55 over 5 years)
Why did instruct people at the scene of accident ?
Were the right symbols on the truck to the depot ? (Picture of back of lorry)
What symbol should be on back of lorry to France ?
What should he have done when he felt tired ?
What was his weekly rest period coming back to work that day ? (2 questions on rest period)
What did his employer have to obtain for him to travel to France ?
What info should be on consignment note ?

Hope this helps you all, if I think of anymore questions I'll post them - just glad I have it done now as its cost me a bloody fortune and I couldn't afford to fail and have to fork out another 70 euro for the exam.

Richie15 · 27-11-2009 01:03PM

That's brilliant, redpoppy, thanks! Must book the test now, passed the MCQ last week. Are all the questioins multiple choice still?

redpoppy · 27-11-2009 11:07PM

Yep the questions are still multiple choice. I can't really remember the proper wording of anymore of the questions for them both, there was another question on the ADR licence in the scenario, there was a photo of a bridge with the height restrictions asking you what they meant, there was one about the driver skipping gears & saving/not saving fuel, another about the driver delivering fuel and emptying fuel evenly from the tanker compartments to ensure stability.

If you're doing the bus one you'll be ok but if its the C one, read up a bit more on it as there's another 3 case scenarios you could be asked about if you don't get the same one's as I did.

The whole thing is a money making racket ! Through the whole process, I can't honestly say I've learned a whole lot more than I probably would have learned from a driving instructor.

At least now I can get on and book my driving test now and look forward to the practical theory test too, more money !!

electron · 30-11-2009 04:38AM

hmmm i have a question now... as the MCQ is the same for bus and truck, if i already got the bus cpc, is it now enough to do only the case studies for the truck or will i have to sit the MCQ yet once more? (you see i wasn't wise enough to do them all together in the first place)
i'll probably ring them up tomorrow and ask.

jimmyw · 30-11-2009 05:02PM

I passed my c class driving test earlier this year, but just wonderring if I should book a cpc course or should I wait until if I get a driving job first. I might never get to use it given the current climate:(.I am not working at the moment.

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