Should Money Management Replace Religion as Subject in School

orestes · 28-09-2009 03:14AM

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

I would have neither and teach philosophy instead

Making philosophy courses (particularly the modules on moral and political philosophy) mandatory would be interesting.

"You have to sit down and listen while we discuss whether or not people have free will."

"Democratic governments respect the autonomy of the individual, sit here while we discuss that."

Could get kinda tricky

In All Fairness · 28-09-2009 04:35AM

brummytom wrote: »

People do seem to have mis/pre-conceptions about the teaching of religion in schools. I go to a Catholic school, partly funded by the diocese. RE lessons have nothing to do with any kind of indoctrination. The fundemental teachings are about morals.
Neither are they exclusively about Catholicism. Other religions are explored in detail; educating kids about other religions should instill greater tolerance within them.

And do you have Citizenship over there? It's a lesson we only have fortnightly, that talks about economics/finances

Yup. But over here it's covered in Modern History.;):p

SoundWave · 28-09-2009 08:38AM

i read the thread title as "Monkey Management" and was thinking hell yeah it should replace religion etc... so nvm....

faceman · 28-09-2009 10:55AM

Financial matters as a topic, you wouldnt get mileage out of it.

I'd be against dumping religion however. Although religion in schools should cover the teaching of students about the fundementals of all religions. Otherwise you breed intolerance.

Min · 28-09-2009 11:05AM

Billions of people have a religion or faith in this world, why would it be a good idea to bury our heads in the sands and ignore that?
Religion is important to many and despite how some feel about it, religion does also offer a lot of positive stuff to society.
It could be religion that is keeping someone going who has money worries...

There is room for both religion and money management.

pickarooney · 28-09-2009 11:06AM

smccarrick wrote: »

In all fairness- if you have a reasonable grasp of Irish- it makes learning any other Latin based languages much simpler- there are tenses in Irish that exist in German for example- that have long vanished from English.

Irish and German are Latin-based languages, are they?

I think they should pur more emphasis on geography in schools, myself.

Dyr · 28-09-2009 11:11AM

When the banks are funding our primary schools they can have money management classes. As it is the pope is footing the bill so they get to teach kids about the adventures of jesus.

I'd love to see citizenship classes (personal finance, how our political system works etc) taking the place of the SES classes that we were indoctrinated with.

ChocolateSauce · 28-09-2009 11:44AM

Religion should be replaced by anything worthwhile, and the religious organisations which run the schools should also be replaced.

Don't they owe us a few billion anyway for raping children? Seems to me that their network of schools would be the perfect payment.

Min · 28-09-2009 11:46AM

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

Religion should be replaced by anything worthwhile, and the religious organisations which run the schools should also be replaced.

Don't they owe us a few billion anyway for raping children? Seems to me that their network of schools would be the perfect payment.

No, but if the state was to take over all schools owned by the Catholic church or church of Ireland the state would owe them billions.....

eVeNtInE · 28-09-2009 12:03PM

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TorresDaLegend · 28-09-2009 01:07PM

**** me yes!

Anything to replace religion tbh.. Its an exam subject for the Junior but its an option for the leaving but its still compulsory to study it

I think its actually compulsory to sit the exam in Loreto on the Green me thinks..

But our teacher cant even teach it, every class he's brought "back up" , ie principal , vice principal, or career guidance guy..:rolleyes:

He asked if anyone doesnt want to be there and learn religion put up your hand.. half the class left

G_R · 28-09-2009 04:50PM

in my school, they wouldn't let you take Religion as an exam subject but still insisted on making you sit through three classes a week, its BS.

Granted, we learned about morals and ethics and stuff but i dont think it requies 3 classes a week, that could be covered in one a week. Budgeting would be a much better option for a class.

and dont get me started on the waste of time that is Irish. 14 bloody years and i can bareky put a sentence together. I should be fluent!

philologos · 28-09-2009 05:47PM

sneakerfreak wrote: »

In this day and age shouldnt our kids be more finance aware,I understand there is a business studies option but I mean a basic money management class where finance fundamentals should be taught.

Isn't what is taught in Business Studies useful in this respect? Why is another subject needed.

Religion still has it's importance, and it always will do no matter how much some people will intend to deny it. Unfortunately it does not seem to be taught in an effective manner in Ireland at the minute, but if it were it would be useful.

Osgoodisgood · 28-09-2009 06:46PM

Bambi wrote: »

When the banks are funding our primary schools they can have money management classes. As it is the pope is footing the bill so they get to teach kids about the adventures of jesus.

bwahahahahahahahahaha:D
good one!

G_R · 28-09-2009 06:52PM

Bambi wrote: »

I'd love to see citizenship classes (personal finance, how our political system works etc) taking the place of the SES classes that we were indoctrinated with.

it's already there, its called CSPE (Civic, Social and Political Education)

Dyr · 28-09-2009 07:01PM

dannym08 wrote: »

it's already there, its called CSPE (Civic, Social and Political Education)

if its anything like it was in my day it a loads of liberal bollixology like indoctrination sessions on lesbianism and breast feeding

G_R · 28-09-2009 07:19PM

Bambi wrote: »

if its anything like it was in my day it a loads of liberal bollixology like indoctrination sessions on lesbianism and breast feeding

I think you might be thinking of SPHE (social and personal health education) which is also taught in 1st year

Osgoodisgood · 28-09-2009 07:20PM

Bambi wrote: »

if its anything like it was in my day it a loads of liberal bollixology like indoctrination sessions on lesbianism and breast feeding

Ah, ok, I get it now. Irony, love it.
Give it to em Attila!

zonEEE · 28-09-2009 07:28PM

The religion thought in schools today is all about morals and you learn about world religions, different customs, cultures etc its not at all about learning the our father or the hail marry at all. Do some research about the subject before posting

genericguy · 28-09-2009 07:55PM

strongr wrote: »

The religion thought in schools today is all about morals and you learn about world religions, different customs, cultures etc its not at all about learning the our father or the hail marry at all. Do some research about the subject before posting

i've seen my sister's junior cert notes, and they teach catholicism, not religion. and you don't need god at all to teach people about morals.

fcuk it, ban the class. and if our department of education sets out a syllabus for money management, i'd say do the fcuking opposite of what they teach.

Joey the lips · 28-09-2009 08:01PM

No is the simple answer. Money management should be done in business studies.

Why cant money management replace history or geography!

ahh wait another anti religion thread.

now i am with you

Should have just said that in the first place

Osgoodisgood · 28-09-2009 08:05PM

strongr wrote: »

The religion thought in schools today is all about morals and you learn about world religions, different customs, cultures etc its not at all about learning the our father or the hail marry at all. Do some research about the subject before posting

Really? So tell me, which moral do you think they're instilling in my kids during the 3 (count em, 3) compulsory prayer times that they have to stomach every day?

philologos · 28-09-2009 08:18PM

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

Really? So tell me, which moral do you think they're instilling in my kids during the 3 (count em, 3) compulsory prayer times that they have to stomach every day?

Point is null and void. If you wish to have your children opt out of that, that is possible. Let's not engage in deception.

People can deal with their problems without dealing with anti-theism. One can understand that people wish to educate their children in religious ethos schools and campaign for alternatives for irreligious people. Infact I'd get behind such a campaign. However to deny parents the right to educate their children in their moral path and spiritual path isn't acceptable.

zonEEE · 28-09-2009 08:49PM

genericguy wrote: »

i've seen my sister's junior cert notes, and they teach catholicism, not religion. and you don't need god at all to teach people about morals.

fcuk it, ban the class. and if our department of education sets out a syllabus for money management, i'd say do the fcuking opposite of what they teach.

They don't teach "Catholicism" it is included as they teach about all the major world religion. But the course isn't based on it.

Osgoodisgood · 28-09-2009 09:06PM

Point is null and void. If you wish to have your children opt out of that, that is possible. Let's not engage in deception.

Then don't. We've discussed this before. Your pat and patronising answer is that non religious people should feel free to build their own schools. Very decent of you.

People can deal with their problems without dealing with anti-theism.

No idea what you're on about. I'm not sure I want to.

One can understand that people wish to educate their children in religious ethos schools and campaign for alternatives for irreligious people. Infact I'd get behind such a campaign. However to deny parents the right to educate their children in their moral path and spiritual path isn't acceptable.

This is just hopeless. Look, if you wish to discuss these subjects in the correct forum I'll only be too happy to engage.

philologos · 28-09-2009 09:14PM

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

Then don't. We've discussed this before. Your pat and patronising answer is that non religious people should feel free to build their own schools. Very decent of you.

I believe that there should be secular schools for those who do not wish to have their children raised in a faith. However, I don't think any of these parents have a right to deny other parents the right to raise their children with Christian faith, and with Christian morals, the same applies for people of any faith.

There's nothing patronising about it. People will believe in God, or gods. Others won't. That's reality and we should learn that religion is a part of daily life. Likewise, it is reality that there are people who don't believe in Ireland, and we need to stop pretending otherwise. Whatever happened to the middle ground?

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

No idea what you're on about. I'm not sure I want to.

If you have a problem with your children being taught prayers in school, go and ask the teacher to let your children opt out. It's something you have control over.

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

This is just hopeless. Look, if you wish to discuss these subjects in the correct forum I'll only be too happy to engage.

If After Hours is the correct forum to badmouth belief, it's the correct forum for a defence of it and a defence of peoples right to it. That's my take on it anyway.

Jeanious · 28-09-2009 09:24PM

aDeener wrote: »

:rolleyes:

money management? in all fairness is that not common fcuking sens - dont borrow what you cant pay back!

As a great man once said, "common sense is not really all that common"....it could be in more detail than that by the way, mortgages, APR, investments and whatnot...anyway the general point i was makin is why can we not just dump Irish and/or religion for example and replace them with practical things?

I dont see why DIY wouldnt be a useful thing to learn by the way...what about people who dont have anyone to teach them at home? Fcuk it like, i know someone who has a masters and he cant even wire a plug for gods sake!

almostnever · 28-09-2009 09:30PM

strongr wrote: »

They don't teach "Catholicism" it is included as they teach about all the major world religion. But the course isn't based on it.

Incorrect. There are 6 module type things, A,B,C,D,E,F. D,E and F are compulsory,and two of A,B and C must be studied. In my school,we did A,B,D,E,F. C being about major world religions,A being about communities etc,F being about morality and the objectives/points of B, D and E were never made apparent,or properly established,at least not to me. Any understanding of the major world religions came about by research on my part. By making world religions an option,they've made it difficult to say that the course isn't just based on Christianity.Sorry if I'm coming across as rude,I'm very tired.

Anyway,on topic. I kind of get what you're saying OP,but it's hard to pick a class that it should "replace",as I honestly feel they all have their value in some way. Maybe it should be taught to you by your parents/family instead of in school. I can't help but think it'd lose its point if it was taught in a class situation.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 28-09-2009 10:18PM

coyle wrote: »

As a great man once said, "common sense is not really all that common"....it could be in more detail than that by the way, mortgages, APR, investments and whatnot...anyway the general point i was makin is why can we not just dump Irish and/or religion for example and replace them with practical things?

I dont see why DIY wouldnt be a useful thing to learn by the way...what about people who dont have anyone to teach them at home? Fcuk it like, i know someone who has a masters and he cant even wire a plug for gods sake!

Irish is essential, it is needed. Stupid suggestion to dump it.

As for religion, get rid of that rediculous tripe from the cirruculum. It's an insult. Teaching people how to do handstands would be better.

As for what religion is about, my subject was very biased and more like propaganda. We had some great classes and a great project which involved the 5 major religions.

There are more important things our children should be thought instead of religion. My children won't be doing religion

SoupyNorman · 28-09-2009 10:35PM

Min wrote: »

Billions of people have a religion or faith in this world,
why would it be a good idea to bury our heads in the sands and ignore that?

Does not make it all true, is that important you may ask. It is to me, and it's kind of worrying that the majority of the human race believe in something that cannot be proven.

Min wrote: »

Religion is important to many and despite how some feel about it, religion does also offer a lot of positive stuff to society.

Like what? Give me some tangible examples, and I dont want to hear the weak limp wristed comfort of the Lord and so on and so forth.

Min wrote: »

It could be religion that is keeping someone going who has money worries...
There is room for both religion and money management.

AFAIK, repossession orders dont pay heed to religious creed.

Should Money Management Replace Religion as Subject in School

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