Should Money Management Replace Religion as Subject in School

sneakerfreak

In this day and age shouldnt our kids be more finance aware,I understand there is a business studies option but I mean a basic money management class where finance fundamentals should be taught.

So money people,including myself are totally lost when it comes to finance,basic things like interest,lending,equity etc.These are beyond some of us and I believe a large part of the reason why many of us find ourselves in serious debt which could have been easily avoided with some basic knowledge.

Also I chose Religion to be replaced as I believe it should not be taught in schools except when it is relevant in other studies.

Gummy Panda

you mean home economics?

The_Conductor

Surely it should be a subject in its own right?

Ps- given the reported calls to MABS- I'd recommend bringing in an outsider rather than a teacher to teach to the subject.......

Gawa

I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.

sneakerfreak

Gummy Panda wrote: »

you mean home economics?

isnt that cooking and homeworking education?

Gummy Panda

sneakerfreak wrote: »

isnt that cooking and homeworking education?

thats what its become but surely economics in the name, it should be about budgeting.

My name is URL

I did Home Economics and it only touched on the subject, but Business Studies covers it sufficiently as the same principals apply

Though I do think that Religion should be replaced with a more secular form of itself, or just plain Theism

Earthhorse

sneakerfreak wrote: »

So money people...

All's money that monies money.

dyl10

Gawa wrote: »

I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.

What, you mean finance is bigger than the single biggest purpose in the universe?:eek:*








*I kid, I kid

BaconZombie

I hope your not talking about bring in banks that got us in the state were in.

Also is this not Business Studies ?

smccarrick wrote: »

Surely it should be a subject in its own right?

Ps- given the reported calls to MABS- I'd recommend bringing in an outsider rather than a teacher to teach to the subject.......

Squiggle

It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.

brummytom

People do seem to have mis/pre-conceptions about the teaching of religion in schools. I go to a Catholic school, partly funded by the diocese. RE lessons have nothing to do with any kind of indoctrination. The fundemental teachings are about morals.
Neither are they exclusively about Catholicism. Other religions are explored in detail; educating kids about other religions should instill greater tolerance within them.

And do you have Citizenship over there? It's a lesson we only have fortnightly, that talks about economics/finances

Max Power1

Yes.

Religion as a subject needs to be replaced anyway, this is a viable option

Corkfeen

Business covers it fairly well and of course you learn that bit extra too. Its up there as my favourite subject.
Religion should just become philosophy,its a for more interesting subject, I don't think i've ever actually learned anything in a religion class.

thomond2006

Squiggle wrote: »

It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.

Amadán

The_Conductor

Squiggle wrote: »

It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.

In all fairness- if you have a reasonable grasp of Irish- it makes learning any other Latin based languages much simpler- there are tenses in Irish that exist in German for example- that have long vanished from English.

Gawa

dyl10 wrote: »

What, you mean finance is bigger than the single biggest purpose in the universe?

I think you misunderstand me:)

finisklin

sneakerfreak wrote: »

In this day and age shouldnt our kids be more finance aware,I understand there is a business studies option but I mean a basic money management class where finance fundamentals should be taught.

So money people,including myself are totally lost when it comes to finance,basic things like interest,lending,equity etc.These are beyond some of us and I believe a large part of the reason why many of us find ourselves in serious debt which could have been easily avoided with some basic knowledge.

Also I chose Religion to be replaced as I believe it should not be taught in schools except when it is relevant in other studies.

That is such a common sense, practical idea and one which I have asked myself. Money management is vital and it is a skill that can be taught. Everyone learns this through their own journey and careers. It is soemthing that is picked up along the way, some learn quicker than others while most just make bad spending/investment mistakes and may or may not learn from them.

The unfortunate thing is that implementing such a great idea (never mind thinking of it, in the first instance) is beyond the department of education. Money management and cash flow management is a life skill and is one of the common themes running through everone's lives (from start to finish) whether they care to admit it or not.

As an aside I think there is a board game that teaches the fundamentals of cash flow analysis to families/interested individuals. Can't remember the name, but is relevant.

Now, how does this idea gain momentum......

Aidric

sneakerfreak wrote: »

I believe a large part of the reason why many of us find ourselves in serious debt which could have been easily avoided with some basic knowledge.

How much of a development loan are you sitting on? Seriously, that's a piss poor excuse for not being able to manage your finances.

themilkyone

To be honest,subjects like Religion,Home Ec and CSPE should be replaced by First Aid.

It's not a difficult thing to learn and it is a life saver after all. Even an hour a week.

The_Conductor

brummytom wrote: »

I go to a Catholic school, partly funded by the diocese. RE lessons have nothing to do with any kind of indoctrination. The fundemental teachings are about morals.

Fine- the fundamentals are about morals. You are deluding yourself though if you imagine that Diocese make any meaningful financial contribution to the running costs of schools.......

thomond2006

Nothing wrong with teaching religion, it's actually interesting to learn about other beliefs and customs.

Jeanious

Squiggle wrote: »

It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Amadán

Amadan me hole, this man speaks the truth....if they got rid of Irish and Religion they could teach any number of actual useful things, study skills, money management, health and nutrition, basic DIY, even fcuking basic road safety, which god know this country is sorely lacking.

SoupyNorman

brummytom wrote: »

RE lessons have nothing to do with any kind of indoctrination. The fundemental teachings are about morals.

Morals based on the teachings of the Bible yes


By the way, Religion being taught in schools makes me feel ill.

finisklin

thomond2006 wrote: »

Amadán

Translate?

dyl10

Max Power1 wrote: »

Yes.

Religion as a subject needs to be replaced anyway, this is a viable option

Haven't they just made it an examinable subject?

sneakerfreak

Aidric wrote: »

How much of a development loan are you sitting on? Seriously, that's a piss poor excuse for not being able to manage your finances.

Im not in any debt at all,Im quite comfortable but I did struggle for a long time to understand some basics.

sneakerfreak

thomond2006 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with teaching religion, it's actually interesting to learn about other beliefs and customs.

As far as I remember they only taught about one religion,I would welcome kids being taught about different beliefs.

sneakerfreak

Gaelic should be taught,it was just taught the wrong way for a long time and still is to an extent.

dyl10

sneakerfreak wrote: »

As far as I remember they only taught about one religion,I would welcome kids being taught about different beliefs.

That has changed now

confusedgirl

as other people have said, primary schools are funded by a lot of church parishes so think its handier for government to let them pick up the tab! but some catholic schools definitely do bang on about religion too much-when i was in secondary school, we had an "abstinence lecture"! I wouldnt mind as much only we weren't given ANY sex ed on contraception!

some schools are definitely living in dark ages! this is the way it should be:

money management/budgeting-yes
sex ed-yes
confidence/assertiveness skills-yes because of very high level of depression etc in ireland
religion-optional for whoever wants to do it/opt in or out policy
cspe-same as religion option-honestly if anyone reads the papers, they know most of it anyway...bit of waste of time really

orestes

Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?

MIN2511

Squiggle wrote: »

It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.

No no no no no no and NO

I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!

Jeanious

MIN2511 wrote: »

No no no no no no and NO

I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!

I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong

dotsman

BOFH_139 wrote: »

I hope your not talking about bring in banks that got us in the state were in.

Well, the goal of the education would be to produce a population intelligent and educated enough to not "blame the banks" for the current mess.

[QUOTE=BOFH_139;62286812Also is this not Business Studies ?[/QUOTE]
No, this subject would be about personal finance. How to manage your finances, budgeting, debt control, product awareness/understanding etc.

To be honest, I think it is essential, and merged with an education in politics, media (or tabloid bull$hit as it's more commonly known) and basic law would produce a much better independent, smarter population.

thomond2006

coyle wrote: »

I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong

Why?

It's our first national language.

I feel proud that I can manage a conversation in our ancestral tongue.

Jeanious

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why?

It's our first national language.

Define "first national language"? Call me a gobsh1te, but regardless of whatever fancy title either you or the government wanna give to Irish, English is the primary spoken, written and used language on a daily basis in this country.

thomond2006 wrote: »

I feel proud that I can speak our ancestral tongue.

Comhghairdeas ar fad to ya brother, but knowin how to deal with money is FUNDAMENTAL, not having some utterly useless near-extinct language drilled into ya, that you're more than likely never gonna use again.

<Cue numerous examples of when you've used the language outside of school>

Im a while outta school at this stage, but i would have preferred by a million times learning useful stuff like what i said in my last post, than "learning" either Irish or religion....it would have been much more useful and practical.

MIN2511

coyle wrote: »

I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong

Why are they wrong? It is something to be proud of

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why?

It's our first national language.

I feel proud that I can manage a conversation in our ancestral tongue.

I am not Irish but if i have kids here, they MUST learn Irish:D

Conas ata tu:D

Jeanious

MIN2511 wrote: »

No no no no no no and NO

I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!

MIN2511 wrote: »

Why are they wrong? It is something to be proud of

Forgive me, but i dont see where you mentioned pride? I meant it's certainly not fundamental.

Halla Basin

Gawa wrote: »

I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.

BAHAHA

Ruu_Old

Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.

Cianos

orestes wrote: »

Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?

I can't see this happening tbh, I think there'd be no practical way to structure something like that, and it'd be pretty confusing from the childs point of view, learning about multiple perspectives of something abstract.

But I think there should be a part of class that brushes over the major religions and examines the cultural links they create for people of that religion. As part of a class dealing with various aspects of society, such as multiculturalism, law, politics etc.

Fighting Irish

Gawa wrote: »

I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.

:rolleyes:

Halla Basin

Ruu wrote: »

Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.

Yeah and with the advent of womb tanks pretty soon parents won't have to do anything whatsoever! It's win-win!

galwayrush

Yep, might as well, money is the new God, so in a few years time, we will rebel after we realise that our new overlords the bankers have been buggering us all along , the scandals will finally become public , after a brave few come forward and tell of their abuse.

Irish Trinity

you cant get rid of religion and cspe...where will i do my homework then :eek:

EDIT: just remembered religion has been taken off my school curriculum this year and was replaced with more irish..now i have it 5 times a week...the horror.

Fighting Irish

orestes wrote: »

Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?

No

orestes

Fighting Irish wrote: »

No

Why not?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Ruu wrote: »

Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.

Not 'til you say please.

IM0

isnt that business studies class so Jane has to choose it herself usually

and having noticed a new series on RTE (though avoided like plague) called 'does god hate sex' I just dont kniw where to begin with that one :rolleyes:

You Suck!

Imo, We should teach our kids to DINE IN HELL!!!

Oh, and in before long winded discussion on the merits of Irish and its place within our society and the relevance it has to our stupid modern lives :rolleyes: