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Should Money Management Replace Religion as Subject in School

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

    Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    Squiggle wrote: »
    It should be taught during four of the five hours a week they waste teaching Irish.
    No no no no no no and NO

    I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Jeanious


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    No no no no no no and NO

    I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!

    I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    BOFH_139 wrote: »
    I hope your not talking about bring in banks that got us in the state were in.

    Well, the goal of the education would be to produce a population intelligent and educated enough to not "blame the banks" for the current mess.

    [QUOTE=BOFH_139;62286812Also is this not Business Studies ?[/QUOTE]
    No, this subject would be about personal finance. How to manage your finances, budgeting, debt control, product awareness/understanding etc.

    To be honest, I think it is essential, and merged with an education in politics, media (or tabloid bull$hit as it's more commonly known) and basic law would produce a much better independent, smarter population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    coyle wrote: »
    I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong

    Why?

    It's our first national language.

    I feel proud that I can manage a conversation in our ancestral tongue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Jeanious


    Why?

    It's our first national language.


    Define "first national language"? Call me a gobsh1te, but regardless of whatever fancy title either you or the government wanna give to Irish, English is the primary spoken, written and used language on a daily basis in this country.

    I feel proud that I can speak our ancestral tongue.

    Comhghairdeas ar fad to ya brother, but knowin how to deal with money is FUNDAMENTAL, not having some utterly useless near-extinct language drilled into ya, that you're more than likely never gonna use again.

    <Cue numerous examples of when you've used the language outside of school>

    Im a while outta school at this stage, but i would have preferred by a million times learning useful stuff like what i said in my last post, than "learning" either Irish or religion....it would have been much more useful and practical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    coyle wrote: »
    I'm sad to have to inform you that your beliefs are wrong
    Why are they wrong? It is something to be proud of
    Why?

    It's our first national language.

    I feel proud that I can manage a conversation in our ancestral tongue.

    I am not Irish but if i have kids here, they MUST learn Irish:D

    Conas ata tu:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Jeanious


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    No no no no no no and NO

    I believe Irish is FUNDAMENTAL!!!!

    MIN2511 wrote: »
    Why are they wrong? It is something to be proud of


    Forgive me, but i dont see where you mentioned pride? I meant it's certainly not fundamental.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 316 ✭✭Halla Basin


    Gawa wrote: »
    I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.

    BAHAHA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    orestes wrote: »
    Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

    Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?

    I can't see this happening tbh, I think there'd be no practical way to structure something like that, and it'd be pretty confusing from the childs point of view, learning about multiple perspectives of something abstract.

    But I think there should be a part of class that brushes over the major religions and examines the cultural links they create for people of that religion. As part of a class dealing with various aspects of society, such as multiculturalism, law, politics etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Gawa wrote: »
    I agree that more should be taught about finances, but never at the expense of teaching about religions, imo this is even more vital to everyones lives.
    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 316 ✭✭Halla Basin


    Ruu wrote: »
    Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.

    Yeah and with the advent of womb tanks pretty soon parents won't have to do anything whatsoever! It's win-win!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Yep, might as well, money is the new God, so in a few years time, we will rebel after we realise that our new overlords the bankers have been buggering us all along , the scandals will finally become public , after a brave few come forward and tell of their abuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 589 ✭✭✭Irish Trinity


    you cant get rid of religion and cspe...where will i do my homework then :eek:

    EDIT: just remembered religion has been taken off my school curriculum this year and was replaced with more irish..now i have it 5 times a week...the horror.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    orestes wrote: »
    Religion should be taught in schools with equal and impartial information regarding the major religions taught. We live in a multi-cultural society and educating children on religion is infinitely better than fostering ignorance.

    Money management? We already have basic maths, accounting and business studies, would that not be enough?

    No


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    No

    Why not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Ruu wrote: »
    Dump religion, bring in Basic manners 101 for the children of today.

    Not 'til you say please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    isnt that business studies class so Jane has to choose it herself usually ;)

    and having noticed a new series on RTE (though avoided like plague) called 'does god hate sex' I just dont kniw where to begin with that one :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭You Suck!


    Imo, We should teach our kids to DINE IN HELL!!!

    Oh, and in before long winded discussion on the merits of Irish and its place within our society and the relevance it has to our stupid modern lives :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Cianos wrote: »
    I can't see this happening tbh, I think there'd be no practical way to structure something like that, and it'd be pretty confusing from the childs point of view, learning about multiple perspectives of something abstract.

    But I think there should be a part of class that brushes over the major religions and examines the cultural links they create for people of that religion. As part of a class dealing with various aspects of society, such as multiculturalism, law, politics etc.

    Kids brains are still developing loads of neural pathways. Confusing them can only do good as it will force them to make their own decisions and further their development. Multiple perspectives of something abstract are exactly what kids need.

    I totally agree with the rest of your post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    I agree- Irish and religion should be personal choices and replaced with useful subjects like money management, first aid, health and fitness, personal hygiene, sex ed and possibly more computer studies/web design.

    I spent every religion class (which thought ONLY bible studies btw) dreaming or catching up on homework- plus teachers had the nerve to take me out of serious classes on regular occasions because I was able to draw stupid religious symbols for them on demand. At the time I thought it was great but looking back I really shouldn't have missed those classes!:mad:

    Also I have never spoken Irish, not even once since I finished school (eight years ago) it has never hindered me in work or life. I do like the language but would have preferred to learn it myself on my own terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,969 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    +1 for replacing Religion and Irish with more useful subjects.

    Let's face it, with the exception of a few Gaeltacht areas, it's a dead language and has been for years/decades. I'm not by any means saying it should be stamped out, but the time wasted in schools teaching it could be put to much better use and give kids an advantage (or at least a chance!) in an increasingly multi-cultural, multi-lingual soceity.

    For example: I spent some time in Holland as a kid in the 80s, and most of the kids in my primary school spoke a minimum of 3 languages - namely Dutch, English and whatever their native language was. Contrast this with an Irish Primary school where (unless things have changed dramatically), most children don't even get the option of learning another European language till they hit secondary school.

    It's also increasingly unfair to expect children to have to sit through 5 hours a week of learning a language that their parents only have a vague recollection of.

    Equally, Religion has no place in our schools either. Leaving aside the morality debate on instilling the teachings of an organisation that has been racked by scandal after scandal, it's also increasingly inappropriate given the larger numbers of non-national students in our school system.

    Both of these subjects should be taught in the home, or at summer school camps etc - that way those who feel it is of some value to them can pursue it, but it frees up time badly needed for more useful, practical subjects in schools.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    coyle wrote: »
    Amadan me hole, this man speaks the truth....if they got rid of Irish and Religion they could teach any number of actual useful things, study skills, money management, health and nutrition, basic DIY, even fcuking basic road safety, which god know this country is sorely lacking.

    :rolleyes:

    money management? in all fairness is that not common fcuking sens - dont borrow what you cant pay back!
    study skills? - is incorporated into each subject that is done anyway
    health and nutrition - the essentials are covered in biology.
    DIY - thats for your daddy to show you - anyway woodwork, metalwork, construction covers it.
    road safety - i concur.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭SLUSK


    In this day and age shouldnt our kids be more finance aware,I understand there is a business studies option but I mean a basic money management class where finance fundamentals should be taught.

    So money people,including myself are totally lost when it comes to finance,basic things like interest,lending,equity etc.These are beyond some of us and I believe a large part of the reason why many of us find ourselves in serious debt which could have been easily avoided with some basic knowledge.

    Also I chose Religion to be replaced as I believe it should not be taught in schools except when it is relevant in other studies.

    Are you telling me people these days are so stupid that they have to be taught not to spend more than they earn?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    When i was doing religion in secondary school we learnt about other Christian faiths as well as Judaism and Islam. We learnt about different aspects of those faiths as well as their traditions.

    We also discussed things like suicide, relationships, abortion but there was'nt any religious slant when we were discussing those topics.

    I did'nt mind the subjetc anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 QuoiFaireX


    Economics for the leaving cert teaches you money management and sets you up for life just fine.
    Why destroy a 12-15yr olds carefree youthful innocence and burden them with money management skills.. isnt money a big enough burden in later life..?
    Religion is vital if thought the right way. We did cover suicide, stem cell research, abortion and euthanasia etc but were taught by nuns- guess which side they were on..?!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭SLUSK


    QuoiFaireX wrote: »
    Economics for the leaving cert teaches you money management and sets you up for life just fine.
    Why destroy a 12-15yr olds carefree youthful innocence and burden them with money management skills.. isnt money a big enough burden in later life..?
    Religion is vital if thought the right way. We did cover suicide, stem cell research, abortion and euthanasia etc but were taught by nuns- guess which side they were on..?!!

    I can give people a quick money management class which they can in turn teach to their kids. It can be summed up in one sentence.

    "Don't buy **** you can't afford."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    QuoiFaireX wrote: »
    Economics for the leaving cert teaches you money management and sets you up for life just fine.
    Why destroy a 12-15yr olds carefree youthful innocence and burden them with money management skills.. isnt money a big enough burden in later life..?
    Religion is vital if thought the right way. We did cover suicide, stem cell research, abortion and euthanasia etc but were taught by nuns- guess which side they were on..?!!

    My religion teacher was a priest even though i went to a secular school. He was one of the "Father Trendy" type of priest. He never wore the black clothes with the collar but wore a shirt, tie and jacket like the other male teachers. He was sound and when discussing things like abortion or suicide he discussed it in a neutral manner and did'nt push any religious agenda on us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Kalashnikov_Kid


    I would have neither and teach philosophy instead, like what they do in France AFAIK. And people wonder why the French care more?


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