another coke seizure

Pace2008 · 14-09-2009 01:16PM

Wazdakka wrote: »

I take Coke occasionally and I don't consider myself a scumbag, or useless to society.

I'm 25 years old and I work in a very productive job where I am liked and respected by my colleagues.
Every day I solve new problems and use the knowledge my university degree gave me.
I work quite hard to make sure my career keeps progressing and to pay for the mortgage on the house I bought two years ago.
I generally (with a few obvious exceptions) lead a law abiding life.

I don't overdo it at the weekends and start/get involved in fights.
I've never physically hurt somebody except in self defence.
I don't steal.

There are quite a few people out there who are very productive and useful members of society who use various drugs for various reasons.

Just because every now and again they might have a wild party with some friends and make a decision that they want to take some Coke, or Pills, or Weed, Or MDMA or Vitamin B12 or whatever does not make them a useless scumbag.

Some people seriously need to realise that here are thinner brushes.

Thing is, I don't think people like the OP realise they interact with normal recreational drug users on a daily basis, and probably like and even respect quite a few. They think they can recognise them on sight from their sunken cheeks and the horns growing out of their heads.

Turd Ferguson · 14-09-2009 01:50PM

genericguy wrote: »

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.

how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Ahhhhh dont be wreckin me buzz

ScumLord · 14-09-2009 01:50PM

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

What was the feud over? Most drug feuds are over money. Drug money. The prospect of Drugs money leads many in our society to a life of crime and violence. I think many drugs users choose to miss the link between their choices and supporting criminality.

The feuds began before drug use became popular in Ireland and the feud would probably continue even if drugs where legalised, they'd just lose their income and have to turn to other ways to fuel their hatred for each other.

Drugs don't cause the problem, that's a fact, the legality of drugs is the source of the problem. I can think of only one drug that really turns people violent regularly and that's alcohol. People who think coke turns you into a violent psychopath don't know what their talking about.

Min · 14-09-2009 02:05PM

Cocaine users fund groups like terrorist organisations like FARC.
Heroin users fund groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

All these drugs go way beyond murdering drug gangs in Ireland, drug users are most likely the biggest funders of terrorism in the world.

Dragan · 14-09-2009 02:08PM

genericguy wrote: »

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.

how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

DO we have any idea what the weight was? The weight versus the actual worth never matches up.

Wazdakka · 14-09-2009 02:09PM

Min wrote: »

Cocaine users fund groups like terrorist organisations like FARC.
Heroin users fund groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

All these drugs go way beyond murdering drug gangs in Ireland, drug users are most likely the biggest funders of terrorism in the world.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

rainbowdrop · 14-09-2009 02:16PM

Since the recession started, the only thing that I had to give up, simply because I can't afford any more, is coke:(

c0rk3r · 14-09-2009 02:17PM

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

Min · 14-09-2009 02:18PM

Wazdakka wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Tell that to the families of innocent people killed by FARC in car bombs in Colombia or to the survivors of AQ terrorism.......

People cannot simply remove themselves from these violent acts when they choose to fund them through the purchase of harmful illegal drugs.

Nichololas · 14-09-2009 02:21PM

I think what is needed here is some kind of Fair Trade cocaine (tm) organisation, buying directly from farmers in some of the poorest countries of the world. This way it would take power out of the hands of the drug lords and help stimulate the local economy of these poor farmers, helping to ensure a brighter future for their children.

wudangclan · 14-09-2009 02:22PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 2 thirds of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan

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Dragan · 14-09-2009 02:23PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

And just like Che, any of those mother****ers could end up on a t-shirt, espoused by clueless ***** as a hero.

It's a funny world mate.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 14-09-2009 02:25PM

genericguy wrote: »

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

Yeah, that would work alright,

genericguy wrote: »

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

Cocaine isnt exactly a drug for the lower classes is it?

genericguy wrote: »

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

Decriminalising it would do far more to alleviate the strain on the prison system dont you think?

genericguy wrote: »

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.

alcohol?

genericguy wrote: »

how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

How about legalising it and (to quote) taxing the fcuk out of the common man?

genericguy wrote: »

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Yes, look at the revenue the government gets off taxing the socially acceptable drugs.

c0rk3r · 14-09-2009 02:26PM

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

No I accept it. This is the reality of the situation why would i deny it

wudangclan · 14-09-2009 02:30PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

No I accept it. This is the reality of the situation why would i deny it

well then i'm glad you're keeping it real

g5fd6ow0hseima · 14-09-2009 02:30PM

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

Exactly, nice post. Most of the clueless ***** giving out about the illegal, socially acceptable drugs, would be the type of stupid **** who would try to impress their other-half with diamonds... but conflict diamonds arent for this discussion. Diamonds are legal you see. There are billboards sporting images of them.

Min · 14-09-2009 02:37PM

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

Don't you mean tantalum which can also be got elsewhere apart from the Congo.

We know the effects of greed is the biggest killer on the planet....

Wazdakka · 14-09-2009 02:38PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that.

I do not necessarily condone the actions of who ever is at the top of whatever drugs pyramid that I'm at the bottom rung of but I don't think that my small amount of money makes a difference one way or another.

I'm not deluded enough to think that by me deliberately not purchasing anything illegal or manufactured at the expense of others will stop the practices.

That's like being a vegetarian because you don't agree with killing animals for food.
Fair enough if that is your choice, but it's not going to stop or in any way impact the process happening.

If there was an alternative source available that I could be sure was not funding such organisations, I would use it.

I'm just glad I'm not an American tbh.

My apparently flexible morals can take my €70 once every two months (that maybe €15 makes it to source) helping to fund a "terrorist" organisation to do whatever they do..

But I couldn't justify funding the largest group of arms sellers, drugs smugglers, murderers, and global oppressors from my taxes.

Maybe I'm just on a ranty argumentative buzz today or something,
But I honestly think that if a person buying occasional drugs for recreational purposes is the worst thing they do in life its not that bad..

c0rk3r wrote: »

Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

Tell me you own a purple hair-dryer otherwise you are obsessed by midget porn...

wudangclan · 14-09-2009 02:38PM

Min wrote: »

Don't you mean tantalum which can also be got elsewhere apart from the Congo.

We know the effects of greed is the biggest killer on the planet....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan

Min · 14-09-2009 02:39PM

Kamari Fat Dwarf wrote: »

Exactly, nice post. Most of the clueless ***** giving out about the illegal, socially acceptable drugs, would be the type of stupid **** who would try to impress their other-half with diamonds... but conflict diamonds arent for this discussion. Diamonds are legal you see. There are billboards sporting images of them.

How many people every year go to a rehabilitation centre for diamond addiction?

Dragan · 14-09-2009 02:40PM

Min wrote: »

Don't you mean tantalum which can also be got elsewhere apart from the Congo.

Tantalum is extracted from coltan.

Min · 14-09-2009 02:40PM

wudangclan wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan

I see it states: the Democratic Republic of the Congo produces a little less than 1% of the world's tantalum

wudangclan · 14-09-2009 02:42PM

Min wrote: »

How many people every year go to a rehabilitation centre for diamond addiction?

not nearly as many as drink alcohol or gamble or eat too much etc

Min · 14-09-2009 02:43PM

wudangclan wrote: »

not nearly as many as drink alcohol or gamble or eat too much etc

How much food and alcohol consumed by Irish people goes towards the funding of terrorist groups?

wudangclan · 14-09-2009 02:45PM

Columbite-Tantalum, otherwise known as coltan, is a mineral that contains Tantalum, Colombium and Niobium. Once refined, coltan has myriad uses, all of which pertain to its particular properties of being a dense mineral with the ability to withstand high temperatures and stress. As such, coltan derivatives are used as capacitors in devices such as mobile phones and complex missile guidance systems. In fact, “tantalite is classified as a strategic mineral by the US Pentagon,”6 and therefore, the US government owns “extensive stockpiles of it.”7 Furthermore, demand for tantalum averaged an increase of 10 percent per year throughout the 1990s, owing to the fact that “the main attraction of tantalum [...] has been in the construction of capacitors in mobile phones.”8 According to the U.S. Geological Survey, in 2001 the leading mine producers of coltan were Australia (485 metric tons), the DRC (130), Brazil (90) and Canada (57) for a total world mine production of 836 metric tons9. It is estimated that the DRC has 450,000 metric tons of tantalum reserves and “four fifths of the world’s tantalum is found in Africa, of which 80 percent is located in the DRC‘s eastern region.”10

http://journal.heinz.cmu.edu/articles/congo_coltan_conflict/

g5fd6ow0hseima · 14-09-2009 02:45PM

Min wrote: »

How many people every year go to a rehabilitation centre for diamond addiction?

Addiction is a funny thing. I never blame the drug. You often hear the saying 'drugs ****ed him up' or 'the drink ****ed him up', whereas I believe that it is not the drug to blame, for it is that person who chooses to be like that,

Therefore, ive little time for those who are addicted to anything, be it alcohol, cigarettes or heroin. Its up to them to choose.... You cant blame a any one drug for severe weakness in a person's make-up.

Thats my opinion though, feel free to say that addicts arent lazy cunts

Min · 14-09-2009 02:47PM

wudangclan wrote: »

Columbite-Tantalum, otherwise known as coltan, is a mineral that contains Tantalum, Colombium and Niobium. Once refined, coltan has myriad uses, all of which pertain to its particular properties of being a dense mineral with the ability to withstand high temperatures and stress. As such, coltan derivatives are used as capacitors in devices such as mobile phones and complex missile guidance systems. In fact, “tantalite is classified as a strategic mineral by the US Pentagon,”6 and therefore, the US government owns “extensive stockpiles of it.”7 Furthermore, demand for tantalum averaged an increase of 10 percent per year throughout the 1990s, owing to the fact that “the main attraction of tantalum [...] has been in the construction of capacitors in mobile phones.”8 According to the U.S. Geological Survey, in 2001 the leading mine producers of coltan were Australia (485 metric tons), the DRC (130), Brazil (90) and Canada (57) for a total world mine production of 836 metric tons9. It is estimated that the DRC has 450,000 metric tons of tantalum reserves and “four fifths of the world’s tantalum is found in Africa, of which 80 percent is located in the DRC‘s eastern region.”10

http://journal.heinz.cmu.edu/articles/congo_coltan_conflict/

So most of our tantalum in use does not come from the Congo.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 14-09-2009 02:49PM

Min wrote: »

How much food and alcohol consumed by Irish people goes towards the funding of terrorist groups?

Its a bit far flung to say that a person who buys some cocaine is funding terrorism. When I mentioned diamonds, you immediately switched to addiction, and when the other poster mentioned that addiction is more prevalent in other areas, you revert to terrorism. For starters, there is no acceptable definition for that word.

Can you be a bit clearer?

Min · 14-09-2009 02:50PM

Kamari Fat Dwarf wrote: »

Addiction is a funny thing. I never blame the drug. You often hear the saying 'drugs ****ed him up' or 'the drink ****ed him up', whereas I believe that it is not the drug to blame, for it is that person who chooses to be like that,

Therefore, ive little time for those who are addicted to anything, be it alcohol, cigarettes or heroin. Its up to them to choose.... You cant blame a any one drug for severe weakness in a person's make-up.

Thats my opinion though, feel free to say that addicts arent lazy cunts

I think it should be promoted in the media, in ads about who really ends up with the money from illegal drugs, some very serious terrorist organisations in some cases....

c0rk3r · 14-09-2009 02:53PM

I dont particularly mind people buying drugs. Im not anti-drugs. What i cant stand is people denying the reality of the situation and turning into Joseph geobbels figures. As long as people accept reality ive no problem with it

another coke seizure

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