another coke seizure

genericguy

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.


how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Oliver1985

I could not agree more with you dogg!! Make pubs and clubs nice places again with have the skanks around gone

BraziliaNZ

if you poisoned the cocaine in ireland we'd have no professionals left in the country probably

Coke fueled assaults - what the hell are you on about?

Pighead

genericguy wrote: »

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Alternatively, any method of making money must also be considered. Why don't the government sell the coke to the populace?

Stark

When I first saw the thread title, I thought you were complaining that you had a coke stroke or something.

why can't our government cop the **** on, poison this **** and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per **** per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/200.../story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.


how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy ***** that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Coke is very much the white collared middle class drug of choice. Although it has become more affordable for the working class in recent times. You'd probably wipe out half the doctors and nurses working in A&E if you poisoned the stuff.

My name is URL

Coke is horrible. I don't see the fascination that people have with it.

Sure it makes you feel like Jesus but so does 3 litres of vodka

BraziliaNZ

coke in ireland is probably about 10% pure anyway

genericguy

Pighead wrote: »

Alternatively, any method of making money must also be considered. Why don't the government sell the coke to the populace?

absolutely, but poison the stuff before that, to get rid of the people society doesn't need.

Dancor

A fine excuse for Andrew Strong to buy the cheaper stuff again.

ScumLord

genericguy wrote: »

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.


how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

You stay the hell away from my cocaine, all yous all stay the hell away from my cocaine!!

Pace2008

Where are you getting the idea that 'coke-fuelled assaults' are commonplace in the country? And do you not think that thousands of poisonings would place a bit of a strain on our A&E wards, which you admit are stretched as it is? Maybe think for a minute before you post again instead of spewing bile from your fingertips.

I guess the irony of frivolously labelling people as 'scumbags' while advocating genocide as a pragmatic solution to a problem that doesn't exist is lost on you.

trad

genericguy wrote: »

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

I have never heard of Governmenr sponsored mass murder as a method of getting rid of drug users.

The thousands of scumbags you wish death on will no doubt reduce the number of boardsies given the ambivolent attidude to drugs on this forum. Not all drugs are consumed by scumbags and no I don't use drugs.

ProjectColossus

That is one hell of a rant. You know what though, I agree. **** the lot of them. Half the professionals in the country dead someone says? Jobs for the rest of us.

SEPT 23 1989

Thats enough corpses to fill the new Aviva stadium

Oliver1985

ProjectColossus wrote: »

That is one hell of a rant. You know what though, I agree. **** the lot of them. Half the professionals in the country dead someone says? Jobs for the rest of us.

Amen brother I never tried it and never will! Its very dirty how to people do it in pubs off toilet roll holders is beyond me!!

renraw

I know a good few people that take coke regularly and they're not scumbags! They're people who work and dabble at the weekends....bit of a generalisation there....

Euro_Kraut

renraw wrote: »

I know a good few people that take coke regularly and they're not scumbags! They're people who work and dabble at the weekends....bit of a generalisation there....

Supporting the illegal trade in the drugs makes them 'a scumbag'. Giving money to Ireland's Drug lords make them scumbags. The industry they fund cause countless deaths across the globe.

Just because they wear nice clothes does not stop them from being scumbags.

ScumLord

ProjectColossus wrote: »

That is one hell of a rant. You know what though, I agree. **** the lot of them. Half the professionals in the country dead someone says? Jobs for the rest of us.

Oh, bags vagina doctor! No wait pilot! Yes, no, definitely pilot.

amacachi

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Supporting the illegal trade in the drugs makes them 'a scumbag'. Giving money to Ireland's Drug lords make them scumbags. The industry they fund cause countless deaths across the globe.

Well then surely buying clothes made in SE Asia sweatshops makes you a scumbag. Getting on any form of transport with rare metals mined in countries with no safety regulations leading to thousands of early deaths and misery for countless more makes you a scumbag. There's always a bigger picture.

Pace2008

My name is URL wrote: »

Coke is horrible. I don't see the fascination that people have with it.

Sure it makes you feel like Jesus but so does 3 litres of vodka

Thing is, half a gram of charlie leaves you in control of of your bladder and motor functions. That said, I'm not a fan. (Or more likely, I'm not a fan of persil, novocaine and ephedrine).

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Supporting the illegal trade in the drugs makes them 'a scumbag'. Giving money to Ireland's Drug lords make them scumbags. The industry they fund cause countless deaths across the globe.

Just because they wear nice clothes does not stop them from being scumbags.

Please don't steer this towards another bi-weekly drugs legalisation debate.

994

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Supporting the illegal trade in the drugs makes them 'a scumbag'. Giving money to Ireland's Drug lords make them scumbags. The industry they fund cause countless deaths across the globe.

But so does the oil industry, the mining industry, agriculture, etc.

Euro_Kraut

amacachi wrote: »

Well then surely buying clothes made in SE Asia sweatshops makes you a scumbag. Getting on any form of transport with rare metals mined in countries with no safety regulations leading to thousands of early deaths and misery for countless more makes you a scumbag. There's always a bigger picture.

I see where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between coke use and the examples you outlined. Firstly the coke user is knowingly supporting the lives of Drug lords. I don't think many people go out of there way to deliberately buy goods produced by slave labour (although they may inadvertently do).

Secondly the coke user is engaging in serious criminal activity. That alone must cause us to question their moral judgement.

I don't like the term 'scumbag' and only used it to illustrate the point to the poster who initially used it.

To me the coke user is as complicit in the deaths of gang land drug feuds (and other drug related violence) as the funders of the IRA were in the deaths during the troubles. The real kicker for me though is that coke use funds the lifestyle of our top criminals. I do not think it is acceptable give money to people like John Gilligan.

c0rk3r

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

To me the coke user is as complict in the deaths of gang land drug feuds (and other drug related voilence). The real kicker for me is that coke use funds the lifestyle of our top criminals.

What would you say to someone who know this fully and accepts it yet is indifferent towards it

ScumLord

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

I see where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between coke use and the examples you outlined. Firstly the coke user is knowingly supporting the lives of Drug lords. I don't think many people go out of there way to deliberately buy goods produced by slave labour (although they may inadvertently do).

Not really, everybody just chooses to ignore the fact that there's no way that €3 tshirt could be made by high paid European workers. People do go out of their way to find the cheapest clothing so are actively seeking out clothes made in places where workers are treated like animals.

Secondly the coke user is engaging in serious criminal activity. That alone must cause us to question their moral judgement.

Serious? The only danger you'll encounter when buying drugs is the guards. Your just buying into this media outrage and propaganda. Those thugs that go around killing each other are using drugs money to fuel their violence but they simply hate each other, it's not really the drugs that made them hate each other it's a long running feud.

Euro_Kraut

c0rk3r wrote: »

What would you say to someone who know this fully and accepts it yet is indifferent towards it

I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking me what I would say to some who accepted my argument that drug use fuels the lifestyles of Ireland's criminals?

I would probably tell them that. If they chose to be indifferent about that than that’s their choice. I wouldn't choose to be friends with some one like that though. In the same way I would not be friends with some who was giving money to Taliban.

c0rk3r

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Are you asking me what I would say to some who accepted my argument that drug use fuels the lifestyles of Ireland's criminals?

Yes that's what I'm saying. There is no point snorting self deception and smoke illusions like scumlord is trying to do. People know the damage they are doing, where the money is going and what manner that money is funding. Why deny it. It is what it is and they accept it. I doubt they care if you dont wish to be friends or associate with them, there are plenty of other people that will.

Euro_Kraut

ScumLord wrote: »

Not really, everybody just chooses to ignore the fact that there's no way that €3 tshirt could be made by high paid European workers. People do go out of their way to find the cheapest clothing so are actively seeking out clothes made in places where workers are treated like animals.

I disagree. There is nothing to suggest that expensive clothes could not also have been made in sweat shops. The retail price for a product in Ireland does not always reflect the condition in which the product was produced in Asia. The greatest determinant of price here is the mark-up and distrucbiton cost, not the manufacturing cost.

I would agree with you that most of us turn deliberately turns a blind eye to slave labour/sweat shops in SE Asia. Hopefully an awareness similar to the Fairtrade coffee movement can develop.

In any case, I think that issue absolves drugs users from their participation in the drugs industry.

Serious? The only danger you'll encounter when buying drugs is the guards. Your just buying into this media outrage and propaganda. Those thugs that go around killing each other are using drugs money to fuel their violence but they simply hate each other, it's not really the drugs that made them hate each other it's a long running feud.

What was the feud over? Most drug feuds are over money. Drug money. The prospect of Drugs money leads many in our society to a life of crime and violence. I think many drugs users choose to miss the link between their choices and supporting criminality.

Pace2008

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

I see where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between coke use and the examples you outlined. Firstly the coke user is knowingly supporting the lives of Drug lords. I don't think many people go out of there way to deliberately buy goods produced by slave labour (although they may inadvertently do).

To be honest I'd have a bigger problem associating with people who are ignorant of how the world works and hold double standards in regards to issues like this.

Euro_Kraut

I doubt they care if you dont wish to be friends or associate with them, there are plenty of other people that will.

No, they won't lose much sleep over it

Prof.Badass

genericguy wrote: »

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

Yes, because everyone who does coke deserves to die :rolleyes:.

And i suppose you've never done anything naughty ever?
Perhaps you should stop being so judgemental.

Besides......what sort of idiot politician would poisin themselves?

Wazdakka

I take Coke occasionally and I don't consider myself a scumbag, or useless to society.

I'm 25 years old and I work in a very productive job where I am liked and respected by my colleagues.
Every day I solve new problems and use the knowledge my university degree gave me.
I work quite hard to make sure my career keeps progressing and to pay for the mortgage on the house I bought two years ago.
I generally (with a few obvious exceptions) lead a law abiding life.

I don't overdo it at the weekends and start/get involved in fights.
I've never physically hurt somebody except in self defence.
I don't steal.

There are quite a few people out there who are very productive and useful members of society who use various drugs for various reasons.

Just because every now and again they might have a wild party with some friends and make a decision that they want to take some Coke, or Pills, or Weed, Or MDMA or Vitamin B12 or whatever does not make them a useless scumbag.

Some people seriously need to realise that here are thinner brushes.

Pace2008

Wazdakka wrote: »

I take Coke occasionally and I don't consider myself a scumbag, or useless to society.

I'm 25 years old and I work in a very productive job where I am liked and respected by my colleagues.
Every day I solve new problems and use the knowledge my university degree gave me.
I work quite hard to make sure my career keeps progressing and to pay for the mortgage on the house I bought two years ago.
I generally (with a few obvious exceptions) lead a law abiding life.

I don't overdo it at the weekends and start/get involved in fights.
I've never physically hurt somebody except in self defence.
I don't steal.

There are quite a few people out there who are very productive and useful members of society who use various drugs for various reasons.

Just because every now and again they might have a wild party with some friends and make a decision that they want to take some Coke, or Pills, or Weed, Or MDMA or Vitamin B12 or whatever does not make them a useless scumbag.

Some people seriously need to realise that here are thinner brushes.

Thing is, I don't think people like the OP realise they interact with normal recreational drug users on a daily basis, and probably like and even respect quite a few. They think they can recognise them on sight from their sunken cheeks and the horns growing out of their heads.

Turd Ferguson

genericguy wrote: »

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.


how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Ahhhhh dont be wreckin me buzz

ScumLord

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

What was the feud over? Most drug feuds are over money. Drug money. The prospect of Drugs money leads many in our society to a life of crime and violence. I think many drugs users choose to miss the link between their choices and supporting criminality.

The feuds began before drug use became popular in Ireland and the feud would probably continue even if drugs where legalised, they'd just lose their income and have to turn to other ways to fuel their hatred for each other.

Drugs don't cause the problem, that's a fact, the legality of drugs is the source of the problem. I can think of only one drug that really turns people violent regularly and that's alcohol. People who think coke turns you into a violent psychopath don't know what their talking about.

Min

Cocaine users fund groups like terrorist organisations like FARC.
Heroin users fund groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

All these drugs go way beyond murdering drug gangs in Ireland, drug users are most likely the biggest funders of terrorism in the world.

Dragan

genericguy wrote: »

i've just seen this

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0914/drugs.html

3 million fooking euro.

calculated that if a gram costs e70, which i believe it does where I am anyway, that's 42,857 deals. add this to the other seizures recently, and that one in cork where the whole world's supply of marching powder was found.

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

and reduce garda workload/overtime because deco and anto are brown bread.

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.


how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

DO we have any idea what the weight was? The weight versus the actual worth never matches up.

Wazdakka

Min wrote: »

Cocaine users fund groups like terrorist organisations like FARC.
Heroin users fund groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

All these drugs go way beyond murdering drug gangs in Ireland, drug users are most likely the biggest funders of terrorism in the world.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

rainbowdrop

Since the recession started, the only thing that I had to give up, simply because I can't afford any more, is coke:(

c0rk3r

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

Min

Wazdakka wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Tell that to the families of innocent people killed by FARC in car bombs in Colombia or to the survivors of AQ terrorism.......

People cannot simply remove themselves from these violent acts when they choose to fund them through the purchase of harmful illegal drugs.

Nichololas

I think what is needed here is some kind of Fair Trade cocaine (tm) organisation, buying directly from farmers in some of the poorest countries of the world. This way it would take power out of the hands of the drug lords and help stimulate the local economy of these poor farmers, helping to ensure a brighter future for their children.

wudangclan

c0rk3r wrote: »

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 2 thirds of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan




.

Dragan

c0rk3r wrote: »

Are you happy to fund theses freedom fighters ? Because if you are you must agree with their methods and actions ? right? Dont tell me your into the whole denial, self-deceit of the situation. You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that. Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

And just like Che, any of those mother****ers could end up on a t-shirt, espoused by clueless ***** as a hero.

It's a funny world mate.

g5fd6ow0hseima

genericguy wrote: »

why can't our government cop the fuck on, poison this shit and send it back out on the sly.

Yeah, that would work alright,

genericguy wrote: »

and get thousands of scumbags off our streets.

Cocaine isnt exactly a drug for the lower classes is it?

genericguy wrote: »

and free up thousands of jail spots, which cost e90k per cunt per year apparently (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishpost/2007/02/21/story5288.asp).

Decriminalising it would do far more to alleviate the strain on the prison system dont you think?

genericguy wrote: »

and reduce waiting times and doctors' workloads in A+E because there aren't as many coke-fuelled assaults happening around the place.

alcohol?

genericguy wrote: »

how about instead of closing hospital wards, taxing the fcuk out of the common man, and bringing in fees that will stop half the country going to college, we poison a few scummy cunts that nobody really wants anyway. i'm sure that by killing a load of skags we can reduce such burdens.

How about legalising it and (to quote) taxing the fcuk out of the common man?

genericguy wrote: »

i can't see an argument against it, we need to tighten our belts to get through these hard times, and any method of saving money must be considered.

Yes, look at the revenue the government gets off taxing the socially acceptable drugs.

c0rk3r

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

No I accept it. This is the reality of the situation why would i deny it

wudangclan

c0rk3r wrote: »

No I accept it. This is the reality of the situation why would i deny it

well then i'm glad you're keeping it real

g5fd6ow0hseima

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

Exactly, nice post. Most of the clueless ***** giving out about the illegal, socially acceptable drugs, would be the type of stupid **** who would try to impress their other-half with diamonds... but conflict diamonds arent for this discussion. Diamonds are legal you see. There are billboards sporting images of them.

Min

wudangclan wrote: »

do you know when you buy a mobile phone,an essential opponent (and other electronic consumer products) of which is coltan, 90% of the worlds supplies of which are in the congo? do you know that wars are being fought for control of coltan mines and that funds from those supplies are perpetuating the wars and that people are dying,being maimed and women being raped so that you can use your mobile phone?
What do you think about that?

gonna throw away your mobile now?

Don't you mean tantalum which can also be got elsewhere apart from the Congo.

We know the effects of greed is the biggest killer on the planet....

Wazdakka

c0rk3r wrote: »

You do know when you buy the drugs where the money goes and the harm that goes with it? right? What do you think about that.

I do not necessarily condone the actions of who ever is at the top of whatever drugs pyramid that I'm at the bottom rung of but I don't think that my small amount of money makes a difference one way or another.

I'm not deluded enough to think that by me deliberately not purchasing anything illegal or manufactured at the expense of others will stop the practices.

That's like being a vegetarian because you don't agree with killing animals for food.
Fair enough if that is your choice, but it's not going to stop or in any way impact the process happening.

If there was an alternative source available that I could be sure was not funding such organisations, I would use it.

I'm just glad I'm not an American tbh.

My apparently flexible morals can take my €70 once every two months (that maybe €15 makes it to source) helping to fund a "terrorist" organisation to do whatever they do..

But I couldn't justify funding the largest group of arms sellers, drugs smugglers, murderers, and global oppressors from my taxes.

Maybe I'm just on a ranty argumentative buzz today or something,
But I honestly think that if a person buying occasional drugs for recreational purposes is the worst thing they do in life its not that bad..

c0rk3r wrote: »

Tell me you accept it otherwise your a fraud

Tell me you own a purple hair-dryer otherwise you are obsessed by midget porn...

wudangclan

Min wrote: »

Don't you mean tantalum which can also be got elsewhere apart from the Congo.

We know the effects of greed is the biggest killer on the planet....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan

Min

Kamari Fat Dwarf wrote: »

Exactly, nice post. Most of the clueless ***** giving out about the illegal, socially acceptable drugs, would be the type of stupid **** who would try to impress their other-half with diamonds... but conflict diamonds arent for this discussion. Diamonds are legal you see. There are billboards sporting images of them.

How many people every year go to a rehabilitation centre for diamond addiction?