Yellow reg, cant hit back

tdc · 13-09-2009 10:00AM

wexfjord wrote: »

I'm still guessing.

based on my original post its fairly obvious :pac:

Eru · 13-09-2009 12:51PM

tdc wrote: »

**** ive been missing out!!! :rolleyes:

who cares, if hes been doing it for a few years its probably legal - if not, well, its not as if its directly affecting you so i think you should mind your own business rather than interfering in your neighbours

It will effect him when some fcker driving like a lunatic smashes into him then flees the scene all on a UK reg plate which means he cant be traced, cant get penalty points and guess who ends up paying to repair the damage? Legally registered and insured drivers is who.

So no, the OP shouldnt mind his own business because people minding their own business is what allows cases like the Christian brothers and domestic violence or child abuse to continue because everyone 'minds their own business'.

Bluefoam · 13-09-2009 12:53PM

Dave147 wrote: »

Because you're a pushover who does whatever he's told? Or was that a rhetorical question. Mind your own business, if he's caught he's caught, if not fair play to him for taking a risk.

Does the same apply for a hit and run driver? Should I let him away once he gets away with it, or does your opinion only relate.to certain laws? If so please give me a list of which ones should be obeyed or not...

tdc · 13-09-2009 01:10PM

Eru wrote: »

It will effect him when some fcker driving like a lunatic smashes into him then flees the scene all on a UK reg plate which means he cant be traced, cant get penalty points and guess who ends up paying to repair the damage? Legally registered and insured drivers is who.

They dont have to give their name or address for insurance in the UK?

ScouseMouse · 13-09-2009 03:12PM

JHMEG wrote: »

VRT is 13.3% on most commercials, ie vans derived from cars.

Its 50 euro VRT to bring a commercial in from the UK.

rebel.ranter · 13-09-2009 04:03PM

superscouse wrote: »

Its 50 euro VRT to bring a commercial in from the UK.

No previous poster is correct, 13.5% for car/jeep derived vans. It is €50 for larger commercial vehicles over 3.5 tonnes.

bonzodog2 · 13-09-2009 04:40PM

As far as i remember, Bus Eirrean operate the coaches to UK on the ferries, under the Eurolines name; I think they're all UK registered

ION08 · 13-09-2009 07:13PM

Eru wrote: »

So no, the OP shouldnt mind his own business because people minding their own business is what allows cases like the Christian brothers and domestic violence or child abuse to continue because everyone 'minds their own business'.

Hardly an applicable example in a scenario of VRT evasion - which is an illegal tax to begin with anyway :rolleyes: (thats a different story tho)

I voted mind your own business. IF, what he is doing is illegal .. it's a risk he is assuming onto himself, and if he gets caught he gets caught. If you want to take the same risk of vrt evasion, for whatever reasons you may have then that's your own business too , not mine or anybody elses here

L1011 · 13-09-2009 09:06PM

ION08 wrote: »

Hardly an applicable example in a scenario of VRT evasion - which is an illegal tax to begin with anyway :rolleyes: (thats a different story tho)

Except its not. Its against the spirit but *entirely* within the letter of the law. And we're not the only country in the EU with an identical system.

"VRT is illegal!" is the most commonly used incorrect statement / lie on the motors forum.

Cuddlesworth · 13-09-2009 10:28PM

He's not paying tax, he's not getting a DOE to say his vans are up to Irish road standards, he most likely is not paying tolls on the M50.

He's ripping off the state and by proxy he is ripping off every person in this country who is paying their way. Vrt, road tax, tolls etc are all there for a reason. To pay for needed services which the state funds, hospitals, schools, road maintenance all of which are having their budgets slashed due to lack of necessary funds.

Report him and let him deal with his ignorance. I would.

Dave147 · 14-09-2009 03:09AM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Does the same apply for a hit and run driver? Should I let him away once he gets away with it, or does your opinion only relate.to certain laws? If so please give me a list of which ones should be obeyed or not...

Great comparison.

Matt Simis · 14-09-2009 02:20PM

Eru wrote: »

It will effect him when some fcker driving like a lunatic smashes into him then flees the scene all on a UK reg plate which means he cant be traced, cant get penalty points and guess who ends up paying to repair the damage? Legally registered and insured drivers is who.

So no, the OP shouldnt mind his own business because people minding their own business is what allows cases like the Christian brothers and domestic violence or child abuse to continue because everyone 'minds their own business'.

Thats a baseless accusation on top of an invented scenario mixed in with an incorrect notion that a Yellow Reg means "no reg".

Be warned Dave147, the VRT Stasi are a powerful and whiny force that patrol these waters.

They report Jay-Walkers, dogs with no leads and horses with no diapers too as its the right thing to do..
Report on glorious comrades.

Eru · 14-09-2009 03:39PM

tdc wrote: »

They dont have to give their name or address for insurance in the UK?

Last time I checked the Republic of Ireland and An Garda Siochana were not part of the UK and had no jurisdiction outside the Republic of Ireland. Nor do we have an automatic system for recording the registration details of foriegn registered vehicles. Perhaps Im wrong and its common to see Gardai arresting people in England and mainland europe while our tax system contains all the information on the worlds cars.

Matt Simis wrote: »

Thats a baseless accusation on top of an invented scenario mixed in with an incorrect notion that a Yellow Reg means "no reg".

Nope, its history. People knew crime was being commited but ignored it as it was 'none of their business'. Many witnesses have stated this as why they didnt speak out at the time. As for yellow reg as you call it, it is no reg within the Republic. Its not insured, its not taxed, he doesnt pay toll's and as pointed out already, if he smashes into you and flees the scene there is no way for your insurance company or the Gardai to trace him as we do not contain registration details for foreign vehicles (which are probable old or incorrect anyway) anymore than a French authority will know who owns your car.

Yes, the information can be obtained via interpol or europpol but it cant be acted on and as said, is more than likely old or incorrect.

Matt Simis · 14-09-2009 03:52PM

Eru wrote: »

Nope, its history. People knew crime was being commited but ignored it as it was 'none of their business'. Many witnesses have stated this as why they didnt speak out at the time. As for yellow reg as you call it, it is no reg within the Republic. Its not insured, its not taxed, he doesnt pay toll's and as pointed out already, if he smashes into you and flees the scene there is no way for your insurance company or the Gardai to trace him as we do not contain registration details for foreign vehicles (which are probable old or incorrect anyway) anymore than a French authority will know who owns your car.

Yes, the information can be obtained via interpol or europpol but it cant be acted on and as said, is more than likely old or incorrect.

History?
So you are saying this "business mans" vehicles specifically have been in accidents and fled the scene or are you just saying, like I stated, what could happen, not what did happen?

Not Insured?
Ive driven 3 cars recently, all Yellow regs and all insured, what are you on about? There is no connection to the UK Reg and Insurance. All my cars were insured by IRISH INSURANCE companies.

Untracable reg plates... Interpol? Lol, bless.
Granted, finding out the ownership of a foreign reg isnt something a Garda can do on the side of the road (easily), but its very doable. Do you really think all that it takes to be some untouchable, invisible criminal mastermind is to pop over and back to Holyhead? Lets hope you dont put this outside the box law breaking genius of yours to work or we are all screwed hmm?
And to illustrate the ease of finding out UK Reg plates and Irish Insurance companies; I called out the reg number of one of the cars to them incorrectly accidentally, they rang me back within 2hrs saying they couldnt find the reg I gave them on their system.. ie the system of UK registration plates they seemingly have access to. This is just the Customer Support rep in XS Direct btw, not some Super Intendant in Interpol you like to portray.

Jesus, just stop digging already, you dont have a case here. The begrudgery and outright naivety on this forum regarding VRT and foreign cars is embarrassing.

Cuddlesworth · 14-09-2009 04:08PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

Untracable reg plates... Interpol? Lol, bless.
Granted, finding out the ownership of a foreign reg isnt something a Garda can do on the side of the road (easily), but its very doable. Do you really think all that it takes to be some untouchable, invisible criminal mastermind is to pop over and back to Holyhead? Lets hope you dont put this outside the box law breaking genius of yours to work or we are all screwed hmm?
And to illustrate the ease of finding out UK Reg plates and Irish Insurance companies; I called out the reg number of one of the cars to them incorrectly accidentally, they rang me back within 2hrs saying they couldnt find the reg I gave them on their system.. ie the system of UK registration plates they seemingly have access to. This is just the Customer Support rep in XS Direct btw, not some Super Intendant in Interpol you like to portray.

Jesus, just stop digging already, you dont have a case here. The begrudgery and outright naivety on this forum regarding VRT and foreign cars is embarrassing.

I sincerely doubt that the majority of English regged cars are still registered to anybody besides their previous English owner. So once again, no trace back to the Irish owner. Except from the insurance company who to my belief do not share details with the gardai unless requested. Must be nice to have to go through the hundreds of insurance company's for the remote possibility its insured.

Matt Simis · 14-09-2009 04:54PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I sincerely doubt that the majority of English regged cars are still registered to anybody besides their previous English owner. So once again, no trace back to the Irish owner. Except from the insurance company who to my belief do not share details with the gardai unless requested. Must be nice to have to go through the hundreds of insurance company's for the remote possibility its insured.

Well then you dont know how to import a car then. When you export a car from the UK it very much doesnt remain registered in the previous owners name (otherwise they would be stung for tax etc).
Every time I exported a car from the UK my name and address were sent to the DVLA along with the of permanent UK Export section of the V5C. On top of that, the previous owner/seller likely knows who they sold the car to, a bit of detective work (if only we employed some sort of civil servant to do this detective work) would be all that is required. There also arent 100s of independent insurers in Ireland.

All completely irrelevant to this thread as the OP knows the Business owner, marked vans in question.

This all comes down to one thing; people dont like to see other people doing better or not doing as bad as themselves in Ireland.
Its not about running over schoolchildren and racing away, its not over no insurance, its not about large, sweeping Interpol investigations for invisible cars. They are excuses from those that wont acknowledge their socially indoctrinated begrugrery. And thats why the more BS "facts" are thrown up, the easier it gets to pick them apart.

stealthyspeeder · 14-09-2009 05:11PM

I have a yellow reg on my car and I live in Dublin, because I am down here with work and I regularly go home. I am excempt from the VRT (special excemption for this purpose).

If some busy body reported me becasue they thought I was evading VRT, I would be pissed off! I have all the documentaion to prove that I am excempt according to the exception, and would show customs this on being asked. However if I somebody reported me, and I knew who it was, I would be going out of my way to find the slightest thing illegal about them and I would be putting them in it at the first oppertuinity.

So by all means, if your cleaner than clean and want to act in the tax payers interest, go for it.

My advice would be mind you own business, its better to have friends than enemies.

Cuddlesworth · 14-09-2009 05:43PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

Well then you dont know how to import a car then. When you export a car from the UK it very much doesnt remain registered in the previous owners name (otherwise they would be stung for tax etc).
Every time I exported a car from the UK my name and address were sent to the DVLA along with the of permanent UK Export section of the V5C. On top of that, the previous owner/seller likely knows who they sold the car to, a bit of detective work (if only we employed some sort of civil servant to do this detective work) would be all that is required. There also arent 100s of independent insurers in Ireland.

No I have never imported a car.Who confirms the name and address you gave are correct?

Matt Simis wrote: »

This all comes down to one thing; people dont like to see other people doing better or not doing as bad as themselves in Ireland.

No, it comes down to seeing people not paying their way in life. And the fact that there abuses are mindlessly ignored. I have no doubt that you would be top of the queue screaming that FAS wasted your money, the government gets paid too much etc. Where do you think this money comes from? What right have you to complain if you don't believe people should have to pay towards it?

Matt Simis wrote: »

Its not about running over schoolchildren and racing away, its not over no insurance, its not about large, sweeping Interpol investigations for invisible cars. They are excuses from those that wont acknowledge their socially indoctrinated begrugrery. And thats why the more BS "facts" are thrown up, the easier it gets to pick them apart.

No its about spongers. The ones who rip off hard working tax paying members of our country. If you don't like the idea of road tax, VRT, DOE or any other tax's then feel free to find a country which doesn't have them in some form or other.

Matt Simis · 14-09-2009 05:57PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

No I have never imported a car.Who confirms the name and address you gave are correct?

I had to provide my Passport each time to the seller. But yeah, I could have had a fake passport, fake Bank Draft (Sterling Drafts are hand written by Bank personal, so Id have to fake all that too) etc too right? Gimmie a break, if you and rest here dont know then stop frick'en commenting as if you do!

No, it comes down to seeing people not paying their way in life. And the fact that there abuses are mindlessly ignored. I have no doubt that you would be top of the queue screaming that FAS wasted your money, the government gets paid too much etc. Where do you think this money comes from? What right have you to complain if you don't believe people should have to pay towards it?

Having heard again on the radio about a certain Minister spending 10s of thousands on Limo rides to the airport, I really think if people were a bit more considerate and intelligent with their tax money (as opposed to paying it then bitching about neighbours, then voting in the same people again and again) we would infact have a better run country. Regardless, if someone doesnt pay VRT to then get squandered by our government, I really just cant get upset over that. Im not on for doing things out of principle or tradition if they are moronic or wasteful. So Im not going to be won over by such a weak argument.

No its about spongers. The ones who rip off hard working tax paying members of our country. If you don't like the idea of road tax, VRT, DOE or any other tax's then feel free to find a country which doesn't have them in some form or other.

Well, you see here you have made another false assumption, or at the very least alluded to, that I dont pay VRT or Tax. I do indeed and infact I have personally handed over EUR36,000 to our government in the last 4.5years as VRT plus about EUR8000 as Motor Tax. Which I dare say is a lot more than the vast majority of people on this thread or on the road. So there.
I think Im very entitled to have an opinion on how this money was spent (wasted) and how I feel about those that didnt pay it (I dont care, I dont spy on neighbours).

Eru · 14-09-2009 07:28PM

OK then so, if your all driving on UK plates (not just the colour yellow as is clear from the OP) how does An Garda Siochana find out who in the Republic of Ireland owns this vehicle? The PULSE system wont have any record of the car unless its previously been stopped for some reason. Now we can get the information but yes believe it or not its through Interpol or Europol. You cant just ring the UK and get this information however were assuming that the information is accurate. What is the person moved her with the vehicle? All we have then is an old name and an old UK address with no follow on.

Secondly, if and when you import a vehicle into the Republic of Ireland you are required to register it which means you obtain an Irish reg plate (99D123456 or whatever as apposed to abc123)

People are exempt under the circumstances that the vehicle will not be in the state longer than 1 year. If you are or intend to remain in the state longer than 1 year you have 24 hours to register the vehicle. Noe this doesnt mean leaving and returning every so often, if you actually live in the republic then you have to register the vehicle. Also, Yellow reg plates are illegal in the Republic regardless of what number they show so anyone driving on yellow plates is commiting an offence.

Theres a case even where people are insured. Most policies will only allow you to drive abroad for 1 month so if your company finds out you actually live abroad they wont honour your policy. Then of course we have to consider that not all countries insurance requirements meet our own standards (personal injury is not covered in all eu countries for example) soi even if you do get details it may be off to court for a few years while you try and sue the driver.

As for all the rest being exempt, etc etc. Theres the genuine of course and the many not so genuine and if you think all the UK, Polish, Lithuanian, etc registered vehicles here are legit well I guess you may want to buy some magic beans as well.

Just dont cry here when said foreign car hits you and leaves the scene which despite belief here is common enough

Matt Simis · 14-09-2009 07:36PM

No one is questioing the legality, and again, you are confusing Irish people on UK plates (the point of this thread) insured via Irish Insurance with foreign people on foreign plates, which may or may not be insured abroad. I surmise from your username and signature spam, your calling in life may infact be following every law without question. What a lively and fun forum the ERU Services one must be!

For someone who goes to such pains to spell out "Garda Síochána", PULSE and even remind us what a ROI reg plate looks like (!?), you really arent reading the thread or posts very closely or near well enough to make any impactful point.

The scaremongering at the end should be saved for SIMI and Gay Byrne-esque radio sound bytes.

stealthyspeeder · 14-09-2009 08:11PM

Eru wrote: »

People are exempt under the circumstances, provided that the vehicle will not be in the state longer than 1 year. If you are or intend to remain in the state longer than 1 year you have 24 hours to register the vehicle. Noe this doesnt mean leaving and returning every so often, if you actually live in the republic then you have to register the vehicle.

Also, Yellow reg plates are illegal in the Republic regardless of what number they show so anyone driving on yellow plates is commiting an offence.

Theres a case even where people are insured. Most policies will only allow you to drive abroad for 1 month so if your company finds out you actually live abroad they wont honour your policy. Then of course we have to consider that not all countries insurance requirements meet our own standards (personal injury is not covered in all eu countries for example) soi even if you do get details it may be off to court for a few years while you try and sue the driver.

Not quite correct. If you have a task of definate duration (like my annual contract wih my work) the 12 month does not apply.

From http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/vrt2.html

2. What Conditions Apply

Any imported vehicle which is owned by or registered in the name of a non-resident person is not required to be registered in Ireland subject to the following conditions:
The vehicle must have been acquired with all the appropriate taxes paid and these must not have been exempted or refunded in any way. The standard registration plates in use in the domestic market of a country are normally accepted as evidence of this.

The vehicle may not in any circumstances be driven by a State resident.

The vehicle may not be disposed of or hired out in the State or lent to a State resident.

The period of time that the vehicle is in the State does not exceed 12 months.

The 12 months time limit will not apply where a person is on a task of definite duration in the State.

3. What is meant by "State resident" and "non-resident"?

A "State resident" is a person whose normal residence is in the Republic of Ireland and a "non-resident" is anyone whose normal residence is outside the State. "Normal residence " means the place where a person usually lives (for at least 185 days each year) because of personal or occupational ties.
If a person's occupational ties are in a different country from his/her personal ties, then the country of personal ties is taken as the normal residence provided the person returns there regularly.
A person who is normally resident in the State but who lives outside the State primarily for the purpose of attending a school or university is regarded as a State resident.

Do you have any sort of backup for this statement that a yellow registration is an illegal one?

90% of Northern Irish insurance companies cover driving in ROI.

Yellow reg, cant hit back

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