Yellow reg, cant hit back

Leo Demidov · 12-09-2009 08:33PM #1

Just wondering how its possible for a businessman to run a fleet of vans around the south east, all on british plates, some of them in the country a few years, some of them sign written with his address etc.

There could be no way that he forgot or didnt have time to attend to vrt, which i believe is cheap for such vehicles. He also has at least one passenger jeep, bringing them in and selling them on every few months.

I presume that he has exempted himself from DOE and road tax also. Is there a special club or something.

pa990 · 12-09-2009 08:55PM

title is confusing.. what do you mean by "..can't hit back" ??

Shield · 12-09-2009 09:03PM

Moved from ES with redirect.

Leo Demidov · 12-09-2009 09:06PM

My apologies, its a throw back to a childhood game where you hit your siblings when you saw a yellow reg and they couldnt hit you back, great on a long journey or in the border counties. You havent lived.

tdc · 12-09-2009 09:21PM

wexfjord wrote: »

My apologies, its a throw back to a childhood game where you hit your siblings when you saw a yellow reg and they couldnt hit you back, great on a long journey or in the border counties. You havent lived.

**** ive been missing out!!! :rolleyes:

who cares, if hes been doing it for a few years its probably legal - if not, well, its not as if its directly affecting you so i think you should mind your own business rather than interfering in your neighbours

Bluefoam · 12-09-2009 09:35PM

tdc wrote: »

**** ive been missing out!!! :rolleyes:

who cares, if hes been doing it for a few years its probably legal - if not, well, its not as if its directly affecting you so i think you should mind your own business rather than interfering in your neighbours

Why should I pay vrt and tax while this guy benefits from dodgy activity. He should be reported and have to deal with the full extent of the law

tdc · 12-09-2009 09:52PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Why should I pay vrt and tax while this guy benefits from dodgy activity. He should be reported and have to deal with the full extent of the law

well (assuming he is doing it illegally) he's taking the risk and he knows that if he gets caught he's fcuked. if paying the vrt/tax bothers you that much then be like him and dont pay. several of my neighbours are driving uk red'd cars but im not losing any sleep over it. im driving my irish reg'd car with the up to date tax but why would i ring the gaurds/revenue office? because i have nothing better to do than worry about what money my neighbours are spending? ill look after my money and my neighbours can look after theirs, thanks.

Drummerboy08 · 12-09-2009 10:51PM

OP why not just report it to the Gardai? He'll be caught sooner or later either way.

pa990 · 12-09-2009 11:14PM

Report it to the Gardai or Customs.

either of them can take action

Wishbone Ash · 12-09-2009 11:26PM

wexfjord wrote: »

some of them in the country a few years, some of them sign written with his address etc.

Is the business address in the ROI?

(The VRT for a commercial vehicle is usually a flat rate of €50 (unless it exempted) so it's not really depriving the state of much income).

bladebrew · 12-09-2009 11:30PM

there are loads of people driving around on yellow plates who "forget" the vrt,i have seen a car on english plates with a munster sticker in the back window,thats asking for trouble:)

JHMEG · 12-09-2009 11:32PM

VRT is 13.3% on most commercials, ie vans derived from cars.

budda15c · 12-09-2009 11:45PM

tdc wrote: »

**** ive been missing out!!! :rolleyes:

who cares, if hes been doing it for a few years its probably legal - if not, well, its not as if its directly affecting you so i think you should mind your own business rather than interfering in your neighbours

Well really it does effect the OP, if the VRT isn't paid and it's not registered in the Republic, the vehicle can't be taxed. Why should the rest of us pay tax on our cars to use the roads and some people not a cent.. Just call the Revenue or Customs.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 12:15AM

In reply to several posts, he has panel vans and rigid trucks, Irish registered business and i dont like him so i'm making it my business, that and civic duty obviously. His brother in law is a garda so customs might be the way to go. The only thing holding me back is karma.

ant043 · 13-09-2009 12:34AM

i voted for mind your own business. I know alot of people i don't like driving uk reg cars but i'd never report them. It's not my business what they get up to and i have better things to be doing. Don't be a snitch.

stevie.enright · 13-09-2009 12:46AM

Not saying you are lying or anything like but if he has a fleet of veichles I really and truly could not imagine him getting away without re-registering the vehicles in the Republic for too long. I meet Gardai checkpoints often enough whether it is daytime or night time and I am just me, myself and I! I know that An Gardai and customs are clamping down on this very heavily of late. Perhaps his business is registered in Northern Ireland or he has a Northern Ireland postal address or some other means which exonorates him from VRT'n the vehicles. It may perhaps be immoral but he may/ (may not) be operating on the correct side of the law all the same?

ninty9er · 13-09-2009 01:18AM

Like has already been mentioned, if they're proper vans it's only €50 per vehicle so not that much, all the same it is your moral obligation to make sure that he is contributing the same as anyone else. However, I can't help but feel that you know SFA about the business end and that this is actually an Irish subsidiary of a UK business with one owning vehicles and the other operating the drivers.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 01:27AM

stevie.enright wrote: »

Not saying you are lying or anything like but if he has a fleet of veichles I really and truly could not imagine him getting away without re-registering the vehicles in the Republic for too long. I meet Gardai checkpoints often enough whether it is daytime or night time and I am just me, myself and I! I know that An Gardai and customs are clamping down on this very heavily of late. Perhaps his business is registered in Northern Ireland or he has a Northern Ireland postal address or some other means which exonorates him from VRT'n the vehicles. It may perhaps be immoral but he may/ (may not) be operating on the correct side of the law all the same?

While I'm quite sure the business is registered in ireland, I'd presume that any non-national companies would have to re-register their vehicles if they are permenantly used on Irish roads

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 01:28AM

ninty9er wrote: »

Like has already been mentioned, if they're proper vans it's only €50 per vehicle so not that much, all the same it is your moral obligation to make sure that he is contributing the same as anyone else. However, I can't help but feel that you know SFA about the business end and that this is actually an Irish subsidiary of a UK business with one owning vehicles and the other operating the drivers.

The CRO offer a great service to anyone with a valid credit card.

stevie.enright · 13-09-2009 01:35AM

wexfjord wrote: »

if they are permenantly used on Irish roads

Are they though?

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 01:46AM

stevie.enright wrote: »

Are they though?

Some vehicles are parked up outside his business premises at night, others at the homes of his employees who live locally. None of them venture over the border after dark. In any event its an irish registered company so your question was based on the hypothetical notion of a company based outside the state with vehicles operating within the state on a long term/permanent basis.

tdc · 13-09-2009 02:34AM

wexfjord wrote: »

The only thing holding me back is karma.

so get on with yourself and let it catch up with him!

guess which one i voted for :pac:

wexfjord wrote: »

some vehicles are parked up outside his business premises at night, others at the homes of his employees who live locally.

im not too up on this so correct me if im wrong but if he is using uk plated cars for his business and using them as company cars (for his employees) would that mean he wouldnt be able to put them down as a business expense? maybe he is paying, one way or another?!

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 03:04AM

For the sake of clarity I should state that I assume the vehicles do not traverse the border overnight, based on the random times I have seen them parked up, and in any event that is irrelevant based on my previous post.

I have a certain sympathy for those who find themselves working outside the letter of the law but not for someone who seeks to gain unfair advantage over others in business by engaging in unscrupulous practices.

The gentleman in question is widely acknowledged as a gangster and will ultimately engage with justice. This thread was originally posted in Emergency Services and should probably have been posted in Law.

Realistically I'm very unlikely to report him, the intention of my post is to determine whether the contempt I hold for such a person is justified. Given our current economic status is it just that someone in a position to contribute to society should be permitted to shirk his social responsibility, give two fingers to those of us who play largely by the rules.

Currently the poll sems to agree with my sentiments, well done to those who think its okay to turn a blind eye to transgressions of the law. Is it only certain laws you like to see broken or only the victimless ones like revenue etc.

L1011 · 13-09-2009 03:06AM

If he's legit, Revenue will back off; if he's conning us he's doing everyone out of money in some regard - the vehicles will be taxed and properly insured out of the state also. Shop him. Revenue in Burnfoot (Donegal) used to be where you reported to.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 03:20AM

tdc wrote: »

so get on with yourself and let it catch up with him!

guess which one i voted for :pac:

im not too up on this so correct me if im wrong but if he is using uk plated cars for his business and using them as company cars (for his employees) would that mean he wouldnt be able to put them down as a business expense? maybe he is paying, one way or another?!

Fair point and you may well be correct, my knowledge of the law might be similar to your own. In this instance though he is , for the most part using these vehicles personally, as are his staff. They are large, panel vans so no BIK and I'm sure that when he does sell them on there is no loss to him, regardless of how long he kept them. If he can hold onto a vehicle for a certain period of time, pay no VRT, no tax or doe and then sell it on, even in the current climate he might just break even.

Allowing that he has been doing this for years I'm certain that its for his benefit and not ours, as per my original post, I am bemused as to how he is geting away with this.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 03:29AM

tdc wrote: »

guess which one i voted for :pac:

I'm still guessing.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 03:32AM

MYOB wrote: »

If he's legit, Revenue will back off; if he's conning us he's doing everyone out of money in some regard - the vehicles will be taxed and properly insured out of the state also. Shop him. Revenue in Burnfoot (Donegal) used to be where you reported to.

While I accept what you say, does MYOB not stand for Mind Your Own Business as per my poll on page 1. Signed Pedantic Pat.;)

L1011 · 13-09-2009 03:45AM

wexfjord wrote: »

While I accept what you say, does MYOB not stand for Mind Your Own Business as per my poll on page 1. Signed Pedantic Pat.;)

I've been meaning to stump up the cash for a subscription to change that for *years*....

There is BIK on vans, btw - just sod all. I pay less for mine than I did in petrol when I didn't have one.

Leo Demidov · 13-09-2009 04:02AM

MYOB wrote: »

I've been meaning to stump up the cash for a subscription to change that for *years*....

There is BIK on vans, btw - just sod all. I pay less for mine than I did in petrol when I didn't have one.

That is why I fear karma. I did not know that there was BIK on vans. Looks like I'm the real criminal here with my BIK free Transit. I fear I may go to hell.

seanybiker · 13-09-2009 04:07AM

wexfjord wrote: »

My apologies, its a throw back to a childhood game where you hit your siblings when you saw a yellow reg and they couldnt hit you back, great on a long journey or in the border counties. You havent lived.

Dont forget if ya see a reg with two numbers the same ya can hit the person also. Cant remember what 3 numbers the same was.

Dave147 · 13-09-2009 04:21AM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Why should I pay vrt and tax while this guy benefits from dodgy activity. He should be reported and have to deal with the full extent of the law

Because you're a pushover who does whatever he's told? Or was that a rhetorical question. Mind your own business, if he's caught he's caught, if not fair play to him for taking a risk.

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