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Jumping Around: Acceptable Tactic or Cheap Move?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    Nope, guess again.

    It wasn't a guess, it was statement. Your disagreeing with it isn't my problem, it's yours.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    It wasn't a guess, it was statement. Your disagreeing with it isn't my problem, it's yours.

    You being wrong isn't my problem, its yours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Donagh_mc


    I don't do it and it can be annoying, but at the same time I don't mind it as a tactic. I haven't come across it often to be fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭IgsTer


    Juggernaut and Noobtube are things in the game which obviously give a big advantage to the player using them and are nearly unsportsman like in a way, they just promote a fake image where the player with the most kills at the end has the most skill, instead of making that player think about how he could get better and become a more skilled player. I could be the best player in the world but still get hit with a noobtube from half way across the map from some player who just started playing fps games.

    When it comes down to jumping while shooting etc everyone can do it, its an equal fight, unlike the juggernaut and noobtube, and the advantage is that it makes you harder to hit which in every other fps game ive played to date is one of the main principles of the genre and obviously the right thing to do if you want to stay alive and is probably the second most needed skill in fps gaming you need after aim. It just so happens in this game instead of strafing side to side or strafe jumping which you cant really do properly in this game due to mechanics, your only real option is to jump. Which is nothing different apart from using a different axis. It all comes down to skill in the end imo.

    Also on promods, there made to equal up the playing field so there is no advantage on either side unlike the vanilla games which are full of perks/kill streak rewards etc that dont require skill or tactics to be able to win the game. A person getting dozens of kills from his noobtube before the enemy even knows about it across the map is not going to switch and try different tactics as hes getting alot of easy kills. Hes the one not adapting to challenges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    You being wrong isn't my problem, its yours.
    Keep saying it, you won't change my mind buddy.
    IgsTer wrote: »
    unlike the vanilla games...

    I stopped there :) Promods are the most vanilla of all games, same crap for every single player. It's boring and old. Each perk requires a different skill to be able to use it effectively. It's not all about number of kills either, you only have to look at the number of deaths and the kill:death ratio to get a real idea of the skill of the player. This is why promod is sooo boring.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    Keep saying it, you won't change my mind buddy.

    Doesn't look like you'll stop being wrong anytime soon either.

    r3nu4l wrote: »
    I stopped there :) Promods are the most vanilla of all games, same crap for every single player. It's boring and old. Each perk requires a different skill to be able to use it effectively. It's not all about number of kills either, you only have to look at the number of deaths and the kill:death ratio to get a real idea of the skill of the player. This is why promod is sooo boring.

    'Promod' & 'Vanilla' are polar opposites of each either, are you being deliberately thick or something? If the vanilla game was decent there would be no need for a promod.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    Doesn't look like you'll stop being wrong anytime soon either.




    'Promod' & 'Vanilla' are polar opposites of each either, are you being deliberately thick or something? If the vanilla game was decent there would be no need for a promod.

    Ha ha :D Look mate, it's time we stopped, you and I are polar opposites and while you may be on the majority side of current thinking, I happen to think you are wrong so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Nothing you can ever do or say will change my mind and nothing I ever say or do will ever convince you that you are the one who is 'wrong'. :) So, I'm ending my participation here because it seems to be getting to you what with the 'deliberately thick' comments. If it's getting even more personal then I'm out. :)

    Edit: If you want to continue by PM, the invite is there but I really don't think either of us will ever come close to agreement on this one :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭IgsTer


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    I stopped there :) Promods are the most vanilla of all games, same crap for every single player. It's boring and old. Each perk requires a different skill to be able to use it effectively.

    When I said vanilla I meant the "original unmodied game version" of the word. It had nothing to do with boring and bland or whatever way you may have taking it.

    And tbh I dont think any perks require any skill to use effectively there all common sense on how to use and there is no real way to get better at using perks. Just look at the descriptions nearly all are obviously catered for players looking for either easy kills, an easy big kill count, players who cant aim with a normal gun and require other methods to kill or a get out of jail free card perk. Dont get me wrong I love vanilla CoD, though some perks and other mechanics the game could definetily do without, the perks however noob friendly they are are still fine for a casual game every now and again and the gamers out there that prefer that sort of thing. But when it comes down to the argument of how jumping in the game is unfair and it makes it harder to hit people its not casual anymore, now there thinking competitively. Perks do nothing but make one side have the advantage from the beginning and make it unbalanced. To really see who is the better player the two players must start off the same on equal terms as seen in many if not all big competitive games these days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    Ha ha :D Look mate, it's time we stopped, you and I are polar opposites and while you may be on the majority side of current thinking, I happen to think you are wrong so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Nothing you can ever do or say will change my mind and nothing I ever say or do will ever convince you that you are the one who is 'wrong'. :) So, I'm ending my participation here because it seems to be getting to you what with the 'deliberately thick' comments. If it's getting even more personal then I'm out. :)

    Edit: If you want to continue by PM, the invite is there but I really don't think either of us will ever come close to agreement on this one :)

    So most people would agree with me yet I'm wrong? Iiiiinnnnnnnnnteresting :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 Teg


    Most people (who voted) in the last election, voted for Fianna Fail (yes, Fail), and they're wrong...

    But on topic, if the engine allows it, and the server doesn't have a rule against it, it's fine, imo.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    I have a PS3 and COD4 about 4 weeks. So after reading up on it here and a few guides on gamefaqs, everyone hates:
    • People who use grenade launchers
    • People who camp
    • Snipers
    • People who jump to avoid getting hit
    • Sitting in one corner for 30 minutes with "UAV Fagger and Dead Gayness"
    • Using juggernaut
    • Using Marterdom


    What the hell are you supposed to do?!
    I'm going to start equiping a grenade launcher to piss people off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    So most people would agree with me yet I'm wrong? Iiiiinnnnnnnnnteresting :rolleyes:

    Well, most people used to agree the world was flat, ya know? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    It's ridiclious. I mean you start out and have about 3 shíte guns and a choice of about 4 perks and it takes ages to unlock everything. People are running around shooting you with a P90 with ACOGS, perks I can only dream of and they know every level backwards cos they played 3000 hours on it! I'm stuck with an m16 that fires 3 shots bursts. But i'm the one "cheating" because I have juggernaut and a "n00btube"!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭brian plank


    IgsTer wrote: »
    Juggernaut and Noobtube are things in the game which obviously give a big advantage to the player using them and are nearly unsportsman like in a way, they just promote a fake image where the player with the most kills at the end has the most skill, instead of making that player think about how he could get better and become a more skilled player. I could be the best player in the world but still get hit with a noobtube from half way across the map from some player who just started playing fps games.

    quite possibly the most stupid comment iv ever read. :rolleyes:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭GodlikeRed


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    I'm stuck with an m16 that fires 3 shots bursts. But i'm the one "cheating" because I have juggernaut and a "n00btube"!

    The m16 is widely regarded as the most powerful and best gun in the game. In game battles matches all you ever see is m16 or mp5 and you start off with both of them guns.
    Either you cannot aim or you are just plain terrible at the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    GodlikeRed wrote: »
    The m16 is widely regarded as the most powerful and best gun in the game. In game battles matches all you ever see is m16 or mp5 and you start off with both of them guns.
    Either you cannot aim or you are just plain terrible at the game.
    Ohhh! You got me there, good one!
    But equiped with a grenade launcher and juggernaut i do quite well with it.
    Incidently, I almost always play FFA and the M16 is non existant.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    GodlikeRed wrote: »
    The m16 is widely regarded as the most powerful and best gun in the game. In game battles matches all you ever see is m16 or mp5 and you start off with both of them guns.
    Either you cannot aim or you are just plain terrible at the game.

    M4 and AK47 are both better than the M16, and the AK74 is pretty kick ass as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Never played on PS3 , but PC

    Camping is fine .just as long as ur not scoped in on a spawn point.

    Noobtube , is lame but mostly ineffective.Move quicker the guy will die. Don't think I have ever seen noobtuber win a FFA round.

    Bunny hopping........Hopping around a corner to get a kill is a Bunnyhopping. this is weak, if you know the guy is around the corner hopping isnt required just step round a kill him.Crap players Us this tactic.

    Marty is just the most annoying , Punishing someone cause you weren't good enough .come on

    Laststand . Fine don't care usually leave these ppl to lie around and die. or shoot them in the head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭brian plank


    Joeface wrote: »
    Camping is fine .just as long as ur not scoped in on a spawn point.

    i hope your not calling sniping camping. that would be bad. :mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Joeface wrote: »
    Bunny hopping........Hopping around a corner to get a kill is a Bunnyhopping. this is weak, if you know the guy is around the corner hopping isnt required just step round a kill him.Crap players Us this tactic

    No, read this thread to find out what bunnyhopping is. Jumping around a corner is jumping, thats all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Camping is great, i love when the same guy comes back 2 or 3 times to get you, but you keep killing him!
    Although, when it's the other way around, it makes it all the sweeter when you kill a camper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    You only started this thread to make ur self feel better about been a crap player and resorting to this.
    Also I never said it worked on me. its all bunny hopping.The very min u hop to avoid been shot it is bunnyhopping. the Hop in game is only to assist getting over walls and other such. doing what you do is lack of skill on all levels


    @ Brian Plank
    Sniping is fine. But Sniping in on a spawn point ........ come on spawn raping. A five yer old knows there is no skill in sniping a spawn.lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭MR DAZ


    Bunny Hopping shouldnt be allowed in game its a tactic that will get you kicked / banned from alot of servers.

    And most leagues do not allow it.

    Infairness how many soldiers have you seen bunny hop across a battlefield ?;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Joeface wrote: »
    kami ..........don't abuse ppl

    Calling me a twat. You only started this thread to make ur self feel better about been a crap player and resorting to this.
    Also I never said it worked on me. its all bunny hopping.The very min u hop to avoid been shot it is bunnyhopping. the Hop in game is only to assist getting over walls and other such. doing what you do is lack of skill on all levels


    @ Brian Plank
    Sniping is fine. But Sniping in on a spawn point ........ come on spawn raping. A five yer old knows there is no skill in sniping a spawn.lol

    I didn't start this thread. And go find me a video of somebody bunnyhopping in CoD. Go on, I'd really love to see it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    MR DAZ wrote: »
    Bunny Hopping shouldnt be allowed in game its a tactic that will get you kicked / banned from alot of servers.

    And most leagues do not allow it.

    Infairness how many soldiers have you seen bunny hop across a battlefield ?;)

    Bunnyhopping is impossible in CoD4 so it doesn't really matter if its allowed or not seeing as its IMPOSSIBLE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    sorry Kami , I presumed you did ,with how strongly you feel about the subject at hand and that the fact you had to resort to abusing ppl rather than just give your opinion. I didn't realise that you can't be incorrect.

    The bold Caps lock doesn't help your cause.

    You are a bunny hopper , it doesn't matter if you hop once , twice , three times.Hopping around corners.You are Bunny Hopping noob.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csr4hBGGlHM close enough??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 PinPointer02


    Lol kami, dunno why you are wasting your time even trying to talk to public gamers, let them stay on their hardcore servers :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Joeface wrote: »
    sorry Kami , I presumed you did ,with how strongly you feel about the subject at hand and that the fact you had to resort to abusing ppl rather than just give your opinion. I didn't realise that you can't be incorrect.

    The bold Caps lock doesn't help your cause.

    You are a bunny hopper , it doesn't matter if you hop once , twice , three times.Hopping around corners.You are Bunny Hopping noob.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csr4hBGGlHM close enough??

    Nope, thats not even close to what bunnyhopping is, that guy is just jumping. And the guy with the pistol is just terrible at the game.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Lol kami, dunno why you are wasting your time even trying to talk to public gamers, let them stay on their hardcore servers :D

    Me neither Steve, me neither :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭Steffano2002


    IgsTer wrote: »
    Juggernaut and Noobtube are things in the game which obviously give a big advantage to the player using them and are nearly unsportsman like in a way, they just promote a fake image where the player with the most kills at the end has the most skill, instead of making that player think about how he could get better and become a more skilled player. I could be the best player in the world but still get hit with a noobtube from half way across the map from some player who just started playing fps games.

    When it comes down to jumping while shooting etc everyone can do it, its an equal fight, unlike the juggernaut and noobtube, and the advantage is that it makes you harder to hit which in every other fps game ive played to date is one of the main principles of the genre and obviously the right thing to do if you want to stay alive and is probably the second most needed skill in fps gaming you need after aim. It just so happens in this game instead of strafing side to side or strafe jumping which you cant really do properly in this game due to mechanics, your only real option is to jump. Which is nothing different apart from using a different axis. It all comes down to skill in the end imo.

    Also on promods, there made to equal up the playing field so there is no advantage on either side unlike the vanilla games which are full of perks/kill streak rewards etc that dont require skill or tactics to be able to win the game. A person getting dozens of kills from his noobtube before the enemy even knows about it across the map is not going to switch and try different tactics as hes getting alot of easy kills. Hes the one not adapting to challenges.
    IgsTer! Dude! I couldn't agree with you more!!! :D

    I guess you're like Kami and myself when it comes to playing CoD. You're probably in a clan, playing on PC and you play "competitively" (ESL, Clanbase, etc). The thing is, the way you and I see the game is not the same as the other guys... They play for fun and we play for a little bit more than that. As a result of this tiny, yet significant, difference, we will NEVER agree on what's "n00bish" or "allowed" or "unfair"...


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