Samurai Swords now banned

Manic Moran · 07-09-2009 06:14PM

Donny5 wrote: »

What was the rifle used? An AR-15 or something? If so, is Colt a big employer is California?

Select-fire AK-47. It was already illegal.

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Manic Moran · 07-09-2009 06:16PM

Donny5 wrote: »

What was the rifle used? An AR-15 or something? If so, is Colt a big employer is California?

Select-fire AK-47. It was already illegal in California, which is not a machine-gun friendly State.

*Checks my carbine*. Says Hartford, Connecticut. Most firearms manufacturers in the US seem to be based on the East Coast. Only California one I can think of is Barrett, and he refuses to sell to government agencies in California.

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gavney · 07-09-2009 06:20PM

Morlar wrote: »

The other side of that coin is that we waste time and energy trying to child proof the universe and ban any single thing that has ever been used to kill somone, including cars, forks, ashtrays, paperweights, powertools and so on.

But we wouldn't ban cars, fork or ashtrays for two reasons
1. They're useful. Samurai swords aren't. Just something impractical which a very small handful of people would miss.

2. They're really not as attractive a weapon for a criminal to use as a samurai sword. Samurai swords are far more threatening than a fork or an ashtray and can be used threaten someone, even if there's no intention to harm (so, could a powertool, admitedly, but again, power tools are very useful implements, whereas samurai swords are not)

Not to mention the fact that guns are already banned and these bans do not affect or deter scumbags anyway.

Yeah, but at least, if a garda sees a young scumbag with a gun or a samurai sword, he can arrest him now. Otherwise the garda is completely powerless if he finds some dodgy looking punter with a sword in the back of his car. Ok, maybe the scumbag starts using golf clubs instead of swords, but at least you've taken away his favourite toy.

Why not put the person who did the killing away forever instead of what they happened to use ?

Why not do both? And you say "happened to use" but it seems that samurai swords seem to be a weapon of choice, over everyday items. Then again, kitchen knives are probably even more popular, but we can't ban them, realistically

Manic Moran · 07-09-2009 06:37PM

gavney wrote: »

2. They're really not as attractive a weapon for a criminal to use as a samurai sword.

You will still get the occasional person who finds something like a car useful. Chap from my neck of the woods (South San Francisco Bay) went on a bit of a rampage with his Honda Pilot SUV a while back. Killed one, injured another 16. Apparently he had an issue with Jews, he paid particular attention to the Jewish Center in San Francisco, going around the block a couple of times to have multiple swipes at people in front of it.

And knives are certainly more attractive a weapon for a criminal to use than a samauri sword. For starters, they're a hell of a lot easier to carry.

Yeah, but at least, if a garda sees a young scumbag with a gun or a samurai sword, he can arrest him now

He already had the power to do so, as an 'offensive weapon.' It's a very loose definition, anything could qualify, down to a Stanley Knife or a tyre iron.

Then again, kitchen knives are probably even more popular, but we can't ban them, realistically

So ban what you can, even though they're not the problem?

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Nodin · 07-09-2009 07:32PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Oh, believe me, we have our share of knee-jerk legislation over here as well.

"Hey, let's ban this because it looks scary" (Assault Weapons Ban)
Seriously.

When California was developing the Roberti-Roos act after the Hollywood Shootout, they decided how to ban various firearms by sitting down in front of a picture book, and banning the ones they didn't like the look of. We even know which book they used, because they transcribed the same typo from one page, and banned one rifle that didn't exist because they mis-read a caption on another picture.

The rifle used in the shootout wasn't covered.

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Dear jaysus, thats as pathetic as what we get over here...

Still, yiz have the constitutional protection there. Here we've nothing.

Dyr · 07-09-2009 10:55PM

gavney wrote: »

Apologies, the example I was thinking of was from Belfast, 2006, not anywhere in the Republic. Here it is, anyway

Two claims on this thread that people in the republic have been killed by samurai swords and on closer inspection they're both b****t, yet joe soap will still believe samurai sword related deaths are out of control :pac:

gavney · 08-09-2009 10:11AM

Bambi wrote: »

Two claims on this thread that people in the republic have been killed by samurai swords and on closer inspection they're both b****t, yet joe soap will still believe samurai sword related deaths are out of control :pac:

yep fair enough. it was an honest mistake though, sorry for misinformation

Reindeer · 16-09-2009 02:30AM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/15/samurai.sword.killing/index.html

(CNN) -- A Johns Hopkins University student killed an apparent burglar with a samurai sword after discovering the man in his garage, police said Tuesday.

Baltimore, Maryland, police received a phone call shortly before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday about a suspicious person, and an off-duty officer arrived at the scene with campus security, city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.
When authorities arrived, they heard calls for help and for police, he said.

They discovered a suspected burglar with a severed left hand and severe lacerations to his upper body, Guglielmi said.
The suspect died at the scene, he said.

Not even run in to the police dept for questioning - and that's considered one of the less weapons tolerant states.

brendansmith · 16-09-2009 03:00AM

Reindeer wrote: »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/15/samurai.sword.killing/index.html

(CNN) -- A Johns Hopkins University student killed an apparent burglar with a samurai sword after discovering the man in his garage, police said Tuesday.

Baltimore, Maryland, police received a phone call shortly before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday about a suspicious person, and an off-duty officer arrived at the scene with campus security, city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.
When authorities arrived, they heard calls for help and for police, he said.

They discovered a suspected burglar with a severed left hand and severe lacerations to his upper body, Guglielmi said.
The suspect died at the scene, he said.

Not even run in to the police dept for questioning - and that's considered one of the less weapons tolerant states.

your point being?

Reindeer · 16-09-2009 03:14AM

brendansmith wrote: »

your point being?

That a pun?

Manic Moran · 16-09-2009 06:58PM

Reindeer wrote: »

Not even run in to the police dept for questioning - and that's considered one of the less weapons tolerant states.

Doesn't mean that no administrative actions were taken. I'd be fairly sure the sword was taken in as evidence, and forensics and statements were taken at the scene, and a file sent to the D.A. for consideration. Nothing that would require the police to take the lad down to the station. Doubtless if it remains as kosher an incident as the police think, there will be no charges.
Gun-unfriendly though Maryland may be, it has the oldest Castle Doctrine laws in the US. Trespass in that State at your peril.

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